Living organic soil from start through recycling

[IncredibowlBoss]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Heading out to Lost Wages til Saturday for some trade shows - anyone in/around Sin City holler.

@Coot - any luck findin out info on Maxfields Organics? And any evolving thoughts on yeast?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

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1. Maxfield Organics - definitely a company with some great products as well as other indicators that they would be worth testing on many products. The founder, John-Paul Maxfield, involvement with Waste Farmers is also worth checking out. Looks like he's more than the owner of a company but rather an activist in Colorado for sustainable agriculture.

2. On the yeast deal - definitely going to check this one out. I have some live yeast coming to try vs. using dried yeast versions, IDY (Instant Dry Yeast) and ADY (Active Dry Yeast)

This one is pretty fascinating to me and I have a plant that isn't quite up to snuff and would usually be culled so I can use this plant without a concern about affecting overall yield from this upcoming cycle. This cycle is about 2 weeks away from flipping to 12/12, they're well established.

The links from both you and LITHOS were some of the most interesting papers that I've read in a long time. Thanks to both of you for sharing them with everyone!

CC

 

[invocation]

Morning dirtbags! Thought I'd share my Gogi OG that I just drenched her and her sisters with nice dark Guinness colored tea made of fresh EWC, Bioflora Compost, Alfalfa, Kelp Meal, and Molasses. I also added coconut water and aloe at the end.

I think they like their breakfast.

 

[Scrappy4]

Morning dirtbags! Thought I'd share my Gogi OG that I just drenched her and her sisters with nice dark Guinness colored tea made of fresh EWC, Bioflora Compost, Alfalfa, Kelp Meal, and Molasses. I also added coconut water and aloe at the end.

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I think they like their breakfast.

Why so many ingredients? Compost, ewc and molasses makes a good compost tea, but adding the other inputs probably does not help your microbes in compost tea, and microbes are the reason for compost tea. Adding that many inputs to compost tea seems counter productive to me. From my understanding of Microbeman's posts any more than tiny amounts of nutrients is not beneficial to compost tea.

The other inputs make for decent nutrient teas on there own, so i would make seperate teas for nutrients and microbes and would not mix the two. If your tea killed your plants, how could you find the culprit? scrappy

 

[Gascanastan]

I like cannabis...a lot. Love these 5 gallon pots,but looking to bump up a to bigger size for a more appropriate no-till situation.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Which one is that, Gas?

 

[Scrappy4]

Damn Stan!!!

 

[Gascanastan]

Both the Durban Poison x BMR and Nigerian Landrace x BMR making the 'woven' look...the TO x BMR down in the front taking on that Thai look...and one LVPK off to the left w/it's big ol leaves hogging up space for flowers that would have been better than LVPK's...lesson learned..exit light was given to LVPK.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

exit light was given to LVPK

So you've moved from dank to just growing commercial strains - damn! I had big hopes for that one!

BTW - Jennifer's 'Cripler' is Big Bud x Thai so that is the reason I'm buying this strain while I revamp my entire MMJ program.

CC

 

[invocation]

Why so many ingredients? Compost, ewc and molasses makes a good compost tea, but adding the other inputs might probably does not help your microbes in compost tea, and microbes are the reason for compost tea. Adding that many inputs to compost tea seems counter productive to me. From my understanding of Microbeman's posts any more than tiny amounts of nutrients is not beneficial to compost tea.

The other inputs make for decent nutrient teas on there own, so i would make seperate teas for nutrients and microbes and would not mix the two. If your tea killed your plants, how could you find the culprit? scrappy

Are you saying to leave out the EWC/Compost when making herbal teas? I typically do that but sometimes I mix. My compost has kelp and humic acid in it. Does that make a difference?

 

[W89]

fuck sake Gas that is something else mate, very nice! when I grow up I want to have one just like that LOL

 

[Gascanastan]

So you've moved from dank to just growing commercial strains - damn! I had big hopes for that one!

BTW - Jennifer's 'Cripler' is Big Bud x Thai so that is the reason I'm buying this strain while I revamp my entire MMJ program.

CC

Yes sir,
I have given up the popular 'dank' types and went with my own crosses. They are more productive,less trouble with disease,and have the qualities I need as a grower.

My only concern in the future is how I'm going to incorporate a actual functioning no-till situation in my garden.

As we age and the conditions of being human make the physical realm a painful place...lifting pots and moving things around is/and will become an issue for those w/dehabilitating medical conditions or even minor physical disabilities.

No-till is the way to reach this scenario for the indoor cannabis gardener who wants high quality medicine. The reward being able to control and manage their own garden by themselves.
Of course considering the severity of each individual challenge a disabled or elderly person may face.....without depending on hydro-store bullshit,or common cannabis gardening misconceptions.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

No-till is the way to reach this scenario for the indoor cannabis gardener who wants high quality medicine. The reward being able to control and manage their own garden by themselves

word......

 

[Scrappy4]

Are you saying to leave out the EWC/Compost when making herbal teas? I typically do that but sometimes I mix. My compost has kelp and humic acid in it. Does that make a difference?

I'm saying that is what I would do. I think it is a case where 2+2=2.

Composted kelp is still compost and hopefully has been broken down by microbes, so I would not worry about that.

Humic acid in compost is not something I can speak to with any relavent knowledge. I know some is already in compost, and i know adding too much to soils can hurt plants, but that question is for brighter bulbs than mine. I follow kis compost tea's advice and use small amounts regularly when watering and have never tried it in compost.....scrappy

 

[somoz]

Yes sir,
I have given up the popular 'dank' types and went with my own crosses. They are more productive,less trouble with disease,and have the qualities I need as a grower.

My only concern in the future is how I'm going to incorporate a actual functioning no-till situation in my garden.

No-till is the way to reach this scenario for the indoor cannabis gardener who wants high quality medicine. The reward being able to control and manage their own garden by themselves.
Of course considering the severity of each individual challenge a disabled or elderly person may face.....without depending on hydro-store bullshit,or common cannabis gardening misconceptions.

Words to live by if you're a gardener and a great mantra. Raised beds on 4x8 tables with chicken wire, landscape fabric and 2x8's bordering it in with casters on the bottom frame make for a easy work situation, but you have to have tall ceilings to pull this one off or not care about running big numbers. No bending down though because the plants are at waist level.

Also, question time! I'm helping a friend setup a 10K and he wants to run his room in this style but we're trying to work around some limiting conditions. There's not a ton of room to let the soil cook as we would need a rather larger space to just let it sit there and there's other work going on..... so I was thinking to thoroughly mix all the goodies, hit it with a tea and then fill up the 40 7 gallon smarties and arrange them in a quite corner.

Any thoughts on this, would you hit the mix with the tea before or after you put it in the smarties or do you think it does not matter? My thoughts would be that getting the mix in it's final container and then hitting it with the tea would help increase the biology/microbes by not throwing it around, shovel, etc etc. Feel free to call me a dummy on that one.

 

[Gascanastan]

In some situations I have,and will fill each pot then 'activate' the composting process with an ACT...other times it's gets to sit in one homogenous pile and breakdown.

Take a cheap-o tarp and mix your soil on that,fill the pots,hit it w/an ACT,and keep the room warm...this is the fastest way to getting clones in those pots if you do not have space or a soil that's ready to go.

 

[invocation]

@CC When making compost tea is it counterproductive to add a handful or kelp meal and alfalfa to your basic EWC/Compost and sugar mix? I totally understand that less is more but It seems that others add the same types of ingredients to their concoctions. Should I bubble one herb at a time?

 

[somoz]

Take a cheap-o tarp and mix your soil on that,fill the pots,hit it w/an ACT,and keep the room warm...this is the fastest way to getting clones in those pots if you do not have space or a soil that's ready to go.

That's exactly what I was thinking, thanks for the direction kind sir.The room is running now so I was trying to figure out a way to keep the mix warm, but not in one large pile as that wouldn't be a good work situation and do it all in the most efficient way. Plan achieved, now to act.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

@CC When making compost tea is it counterproductive to add a handful or kelp meal and alfalfa to your basic EWC/Compost and sugar mix? I totally understand that less is more but It seems that others add the same types of ingredients to their concoctions. Should I bubble one herb at a time?

I would just follow Microbeman's advice at MicrobeOrganics.com as he has spent more than a few years fine-tuning the recipe and methodology.

His recipe has been proven to be effective by thousands of gardeners of all stripes.

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

I would just follow Microbeman's advice at MicrobeOrganics.com as he has spent more than a few years fine-tuning the recipe and methodology.

His recipe has been proven to be effective by thousands of gardeners of all stripes.

CC

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