Living organic soil from start through recycling

[BlueJayWay]

hehe........

Yes Botany of Desire, I remember enjoying that. Secret Life of Plants was awesome too, if not simply for the groovy soundtrack!

Before I headed out for a few days I decided to give each plant in the garden an extra cup of water to tide them over, in the form of a botanical tea of Yucca Root & Yarrow. It didn't take but a minute for the bucket to foam over, can you say SAPONINS!?! I had no ryhme or reason to add these two together, the yucca I felt the soil needed for help with water penetration and the yarrow was very similar in color, light yellow Great reasoning eh? In the future I may just use the Yucca as a soil amendment.

Comfrey Tea is up next.

Those that feed with Botanicals, are there ones you avoid later in flower? I do my last transplant right @ 12/12 so the soil is pretty beefed up to begin with, so i notice with an alfalfa tea they darken up quite a bit and stay dark green (but very healthy) straight through the end, so i'm hesitant to hit them again with alfalfa or say nettle for example.

Also, should we start a Botanical Tea thread ?

 

[Scrappy4]

Secret Life of Plants was awesome too

Not in my book, it seemed to me it is based on hunches and anecdotal evidence nothing concrete at all. More entertainment than anything.

But another book called WHAT PLANTS KNOW is an excellent book. It talks about what and how plants hear, feel and so on. And it has plenty of cites and is well written.....scrappy

 

[ClackamasCootz]

But another book called WHAT PLANTS KNOW is an excellent book. It talks about what and how plants hear, feel and so on. And it has plenty of cites and is well written.....scrappy

Isn't that a great book? Especially when you look at the author's academic resume - he's not a free lance writer like many others.

CC

 

[SeaMaiden]

This discussion reminds me of the debates about Jared Diamond vs Victor Davis Hansen and each person's theories as to why western culture dominates. Diamond's theory is much more politically correct, (Guns, Germs and Steel). However, I personally feel that Hansen makes a much more cohesive, and stronger argument that it was the notion and practice of a FREE MAN that ultimately led to world domination by what he asserts is a Greek-based culture, not a Judeo-Christian based culture.

hehe........

Yes Botany of Desire, I remember enjoying that. Secret Life of Plants was awesome too, if not simply for the groovy soundtrack!

Before I headed out for a few days I decided to give each plant in the garden an extra cup of water to tide them over, in the form of a botanical tea of Yucca Root & Yarrow. It didn't take but a minute for the bucket to foam over, can you say SAPONINS!?! I had no ryhme or reason to add these two together, the yucca I felt the soil needed for help with water penetration and the yarrow was very similar in color, light yellow Great reasoning eh? In the future I may just use the Yucca as a soil amendment.

Comfrey Tea is up next.

Those that feed with Botanicals, are there ones you avoid later in flower? I do my last transplant right @ 12/12 so the soil is pretty beefed up to begin with, so i notice with an alfalfa tea they darken up quite a bit and stay dark green (but very healthy) straight through the end, so i'm hesitant to hit them again with alfalfa or say nettle for example.

Also, should we start a Botanical Tea thread ?

I avoid alfalfa late in flower because I've caused revegging to occur using it late in flower. Years ago, noob mistake, won't do it again.

However! I also use it extensively to help build up SOM, so there may be some alfalfa getting into my plants. Just not fresh at this point.

Even better soundtrack is Almost Famous.

 

[Microbeman]

matt rize

To Matt's credit (and you may not know this) he came to this forum to teach and boast but ended up learning. He took what he learned and attempted to turn Kyle but that, apparently, was a fruitless venture.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

To Matt's credit (and you may not know this) he came to this forum to teach and boast but ended up learning. He took what he learned and attempted to turn Kyle but that, apparently, was a fruitless venture.

That's what I understand as well from PM and emails from Matt.

 

[Neo 420]

To Matt's credit (and you may not know this) he came to this forum to teach and boast but ended up learning. He took what he learned and attempted to turn Kyle but that, apparently, was a fruitless venture.

Redefining the Root-Soil Food Web for Indoors
Published by Matt Rize
Redefining the Soil Food Web for Indoors by Matt Rize

The complex relationship between plants and soil is called the soil food web. This describes the connection between roots, soil, and soil organisms. In the past 15 years this topic has been the center of attention for organic gardeners, thanks in large part to Teaming With Microbes by xxxx xxxxxxxxx and xxxxx xxxxx. ( names omitted to protect the guilty)

This guy Matt is still pushin the sales for hydro bloatware IMO.

"The constant addition of vermi-compost (EWC) by worms does not apply indoors, and this plant nutrient source must be replaced for high yield indoor organics. The bottled and dry nutrients replace the worm's decomposition of soil. The switch from soil to soil-less organic (peat, coco, bark), due to* soil-less' airy structure, means most of the nutrients that plants use must be added by the gardener. The dry and bottled nutes that we water in are eaten by the bacteria and fungi, which are eaten by nematodes and protozoa, who poop plant food. The root-soil-nutrient food web."

 

[ClackamasCootz]

LMAO - go Matt! At least gave me credit on several posts that he & Kyle lifted that I had made here at ICMAG on a wide range of subjects.

Touching isn't it?

 

[Neo 420]

@CC

Holy shit!!!!!! You are professor CC that Matt raves about!!!! One of his articles seemed like a post I read here by you.....

 

[Gascanastan]

It has been brought to my attention that some people are feeling left out of the conversation here.....and that some even feel that people are being ridiculed.

Well for those that "don't get it'...this thread is a place where reality based gardening is in existence...not myth based gardening. If you are still gardening with the idea that you need to adjust Ph and use any bagged soil or bottled nutrient/fertilizer..this is not the place for you.

There are plenty of other threads where myth-based gardening is in full tilt boogie...but NOT HERE.

We are over it...that's it...that's all....that's the 'inside joke' if that's what you want to call it.....this is reality.

We use compost,build our own soil,ridicule hydro-store sales men and those who have brought this plant into a snake oil realm of being.

The most sacred plant on Earth handled like a gimmick to make a buck at the expense of the average human being who would otherwise grow it like grannies tomatoes and have no problems at all.

This thread is a debunker....proof that you don't need ANY of that hydro-store BS or idiot's from stoner mags like High Times like Jorge,Ed,Kyle,etc.to grow cannabis.

I know that doesn't sit well with the people that believe that shit...but that's why we are here...yet personally I'm are here to save the evolution of the plant....this plant that is being genetically bastardized and having 30 years of myth-based gardening applied to it's evolution....which puts it's future at jeopardy IMO...much like Monsanto controling your food.

That's why we are here...if you don't like this thread...don't hang out...don't post...and for gawd's sake stop crying about it to daddy behind mommie's back.....

Get it?....that's 'the joke'...no one is being left out. You want to drop the Ph meter and join the real world...you are welcome here.

GC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Neo 420

Yeah - Matt added the "Professor" deal - a little benign neglect on his part would have been helpful.

Maybe even required, KWIM?

LOL

 

[Gascanastan]

Professor Coot.....and his asshole students.

 

[Neo 420]

Professor Coot.....and his asshole students.

But the professor doesn't let us shop at hydro stores........or home depot........

LMAO

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Veganically speaking, that's probably a good thing perhaps?

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

It has been brought to my attention that some people are feeling left out of the conversation here.....and that some even feel that people are being ridiculed.

Well for those that "don't get it'...this thread is a place where reality based gardening is in existence...not myth based gardening. If you are still gardening with the idea that you need to adjust Ph and use any bagged soil or bottled nutrient/fertilizer..this is not the place for you.

There are plenty of other threads where myth-based gardening is in full tilt boogie...but NOT HERE.

We are over it...that's it...that's all....that's the 'inside joke' if that's what you want to call it.....this is reality.

We use compost,build our own soil,ridicule hydro-store sales men and those who have brought this plant into a snake oil realm of being.

The most sacred plant on Earth handled like a gimmick to make a buck at the expense of the average human being who would otherwise grow it like grannies tomatoes and have no problems at all.

This thread is a debunker....proof that you don't need ANY of that hydro-store BS or idiot's from stoner mags like High Times like Jorge,Ed,Kyle,etc.to grow cannabis.

I know that doesn't sit well with the people that believe that shit...but that's why we are here...yet personally I'm are here to save the evolution of the plant....this plant that is being genetically bastardized and having 30 years of myth-based gardening applied to it's evolution....which puts it's future at jeopardy IMO...much like Monsanto controling your food.

That's why we are here...if you don't like this thread...don't hang out...don't post...and for gawd's sake stop crying about it to daddy behind mommie's back.....

Get it?....that's 'the joke'...no one is being left out. You want to drop the Ph meter and join the real world...you are welcome here.

GC

Well said

 

[Gascanastan]

But the professor doesn't let us shop at hydro stores........or home depot........

LMAO

I'm an asshole student...I bought a bag of dolomite at home depot once...it was $5 bucks for 40 lbs.....

 

[Gascanastan]

Well said

Thanks Smiley....we've been around a while eh...still doing it.

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

The matt rize video showing his hash making methods...... makes the best hash, hands down, Ive ever made. Countless hash runs in the last few years and I tried his and its leaps and bounds above

Epiphany aint just a name black folks name their daughter...... (to quote American dad)



gs

 

[ClackamasCootz]

"In wine there is truth - in whiskey there is more truth" - Letters to Elizabeth by Nitzsche

 

[gregor_mendel]

Are the soil builders here composting batch style or perpetually? (Or does it matter?)

I have composted for many years in a perpetual style following The Humanure Handbook.

That method takes two years beginning to end, and having moved a few times lately, I have none at the moment.

I will be picking up some 3+ years aged horse manure today that is full of worms. I plan to use it in a batch style specifically for my soil building project, but I am curious what those here with more experience than my self would do with it. Since I have no soil built, and no use for teas or extracts yet, I thought I would track down some of the plants we have been discussing here to add to the compost as well as the usual food waste.

For what its worth, I used this same manure mixed with peat and some dry Epsoma fertilizer for my veggie gardens this year, and they like it quite well.