Living organic soil from start through recycling

[think_fast]

Since Jersey Shores has been discontinued...

That made my day.

I'm petty.

Word travels slowly when you're not 'plugged in'.

 

[W89]

Just downloaded Organic Marijuana Soma Style anyone read it?

 

[invocation]

Just watered the little ones with my enzyme tea.. 1tsp alfalfa seeds 1tsp alfalfa meal 1tsp of kelp meal per liter and a half.. bubbled it for about 30 hours... juiced a couple aloe leaves and added some coconut water...and potassium silicate and recommended dose... Looking forward to seeing them in the morning!

@W89 you are very motivated my friend. Is this the first time using the alfalfa seeds?

@CC Can I go out and just start experimenting with differen't sprouting beans? Anything to avoid? How much is too much and how often is everyone applying. I hope my questions aren't redundant with the threads previously discussed. Thanks in advance.

 

[think_fast]

I know you guys already digested the claims made by that hormone tooting moron like a wild colony of voracious bullshit digesting microbes that you are biggrin, but this comment by him made my bullshit meter ring loudly and proudly...

"so expect the ones who are borderline stressed to go hermie a bit.."

Words like "borderline" and "a bit" in particular scream of uncertainty and ignorance. And how he could form such broad conclusions on an already botched specimen means he should probably be working for some big public relations firm or American foreign policy, whichever.

 

[W89]

@W89 you are very motivated my friend. Is this the first time using the alfalfa seeds?

Hi Mate,Very motivated I love organic gardening so much amazing stuff out there to learn and put into practice and as for my first soil mix Ive made I can't wait to see how it performs...And It's my First time using any seeds for a tea to be honest, I've got alfalfa,mung beans and broccoli seed and some weed seeds for the next one, I'm gonna just go roughly once a week and see how that turns out.

Been using aloe with all watering and foliar feeding, and since yesterday potassium silicate as it only came in the post yesterday.. Still waiting for my fucking crab shells to turn up been about a week now since I ordered them if they're not here tomorrow I will be contacting the supplier...I need to get them mixed into my soil so they can cycle before I re-pot.. But I can tell you now my plants are the healthiest most naturally lush green looking plants I have grown in the last 5 yr

 

[think_fast]

Does anyone have any experience, or an opinion, about using cut up root balls as a mulch?

It sounds safe to me, but I am in the dark about any nutrional benefits roots would have to 'refuel' the beast, as it were.

Thank you.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

@CC Can I go out and just start experimenting with differen't sprouting beans? Anything to avoid? How much is too much and how often is everyone applying. I hope my questions aren't redundant with the threads previously discussed. Thanks in advance.

invocation

Using organic and non-GMO seeds is more important to me than the type of seed

HTH

CC

 

[SG1]

Hey guys
Firstly, I like to say that after having followed this thread for the last month and it has been an adventure in farmyard science.
Great thread and info, but never much to say, just soak up the knowledge.
I've been growing since 1980 in the PNW, but only recently(past year) went organic.
My quality, taste, fragance, yield, have all improved 25%.
Easy to say I'm a believer, Now!

I read lumperdawgs entire thread over at that other forum, unfortunately, by the time I decided to incorperate many of his teachings into my grow, he'd left that forum.

I used 24 cu yds of soil last year, and have a soil manufacturing company make it for me to whatever speks I require.
The base I use is a 1/3 each combo of peat/pumice rock/ fine wood by-products, PH balanced to 6.4-6.8.

I have the following amendments added.
Crab, kelp, bone, blood meal.
EWC, glacial rock dust, greensand, humic acid, and mycorryzhea.

My recent run, the soil I used started causing problems.
Plants yellowing and rusting starting at week 3-4 of flowering.
I belive the culprit was incefficiant cook time and temp, and not enough water.

All my soil is kept in 35 gal garbage cans, but I don't have any indoor storage, so I'm at the mercy of the elements.

This is the first winter with organics and I'm just still learning.
But just wanted to tell guys that I'm following and learning, even though some of my ways are wierd.

Thanks to the contributors of this thread, hopefully some of the info sticks into my ole brain, and I can take organics a step or two further.

Good job fellas

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I know you guys already digested the claims made by that hormone tooting moron like a wild colony of voracious bullshit digesting microbes that you are biggrin, but this comment by him made my bullshit meter ring loudly and proudly...

"so expect the ones who are borderline stressed to go hermie a bit.."

Words like "borderline" and "a bit" in particular scream of uncertainty and ignorance. And how he could form such broad conclusions on an already botched specimen means he should probably be working for some big public relations firm or American foreign policy, whichever.

^^^word

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Does anyone have any experience, or an opinion, about using cut up root balls as a mulch?

It sounds safe to me, but I am in the dark about any nutrional benefits roots would have to 'refuel' the beast, as it were.

Thank you.

think fast

I have and probably will do it again if necessary. I usually cover it a bit with compost or black leaf mold when available which isn't too often.

CC

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hey guys
Firstly, I like to say that after having followed this thread for the last month and it has been an adventure in farmyard science.
Great thread and info, but never much to say, just soak up the knowledge.
I've been growing since 1980 in the PNW, but only recently(past year) went organic.
My quality, taste, fragance, yield, have all improved 25%.
Easy to say I'm a believer, Now!

I read lumperdawgs entire thread over at that other forum, unfortunately, by the time I decided to incorperate many of his teachings into my grow, he'd left that forum.

I used 24 cu yds of soil last year, and have a soil manufacturing company make it for me to whatever speks I require.
The base I use is a 1/3 each combo of peat/pumice rock/ fine wood by-products, PH balanced to 6.4-6.8.

I have the following amendments added.
Crab, kelp, bone, blood meal.
EWC, glacial rock dust, greensand, humic acid, and mycorryzhea.

My recent run, the soil I used started causing problems.
Plants yellowing and rusting starting at week 3-4 of flowering.
I belive the culprit was incefficiant cook time and temp, and not enough water.

All my soil is kept in 35 gal garbage cans, but I don't have any indoor storage, so I'm at the mercy of the elements.

This is the first winter with organics and I'm just still learning.
But just wanted to tell guys that I'm following and learning, even though some of my ways are wierd.

Thanks to the contributors of this thread, hopefully some of the info sticks into my ole brain, and I can take organics a step or two further.

Good job fellas

I would almost bet you the fine wood by products are the source of your problem. Those things take a ton of N to decompose (they are high carbon)...and the microbes eat first.

So it is sorta "cook time"...but more about the choice to use wood I think.

I am pretty sure a lot of us have similar stories that we may not want to tell

 

[think_fast]

As usual, thank you CC. Sprinkling some compost in with it sounds like a great idea too, as I'll have to wait many more months before the leaf mold will be ready.

I'm eager to do this right away.

Without taking too much of your time, I'm curious if the roots also provide (significant?) nutrients to the soil. Relative to other mulching options of course.

(Y) or (N)

 

[ClackamasCootz]

DK - Don't Know

LOL

 

[OrganicLearner]

Does anyone sell straight leaf mold? I'm in the process of making some but I'm not sure if im going to have enough when it's all said and done. Its a 1:10 ratio once shredded I was wondering what would be the estimate amount of leaf mold after you have one big bag of shredded leaves? I would like to use this for the humus and mulch departments..

Also can you use unfinished leaf mold in a soil or will it start to compost and heat up roots?

 

[think_fast]

I am pretty sure a lot of us have similar stories that we may not want to tell

I'm currently experiencing this exact problem with premature yellowing in mid-flower. But since I run such small specimens I am constantly able to make (relatively) quick adjustments as new additions are cycled in. A few tricks I have learned from this thread in dealing with this, besides the obvious one of replacing with better quality soil have been:

-frequent compost tea applications! If you apply aggressively enough, meaning frequently with diluted strength and not infrequently (or frequently) with high strength tea, you can offset much of this deficiency. Kelp and alfalfa in particular in teas have postponed yellowing by at least a couple weeks (so far) in the latest specimens.
-water retention. Using mulch has allowed microbial life to subsist (I think) in the upper layers of my soil so that repopulating them with teas isn't as critical due to increased moisture levels at the surface. If you can mulch with ingredients that contain nutrients themselves (such as leaf matter, comfrey, and anything that decomposes quickly) then I imagine this will make the process even better, but just using wood chips has made (IMO) a perceptible difference.
-raising and adding amendments such as fishbone meal, alfalfa, crab meal, fish meal.
-topdressing with a layer of EWC and alfalfa 2-3 weeks into flower

These are some 'quick fix' methods you can consider while you source better humus materials and allow your current material to compost further.

 

[Weyenot]

TBP, now that is a bit of a fancy mouthful! I remember you mentioning it before but wrote it off as being just that, fancy and unnecessary and therefore probably expensive.....but I now I feel like I should at least give it a looksee.
If anything maybe it can compete with my buddies chem/kushie purple something-something-somethings on the hypo-meter of awesomeness hehe

your humor, cleverly blended with knowledge and experience is refreshing and inspiring, many thanks and lots of love CC!!

I must apologize for the highlighted statement; it didnt sit right with me after I made it and after some retrospect things became a bit clearer. Even though I was trying to be funny while making a statement I realize that I was subconsciously venting and the energy isnt what I want to be putting out there. I had just come from reading some of a thread about the hyped "GSC" where I encountered some mindsets that touched a nerve so to say -why?- because on some level I am dealing with the fact that even though my mindset and goals are changing I still have the capability to think and act like the a mindless fool. Its a work in progress and I can do better. I want to encourage not discourage; everyone should be able to grow whatever kind of plant they want, chems and kushes all the way to landraces. I must be respectful of others and there are other ways for me to share my opinion without making jabs.

 

[SG1]

I would almost bet you the fine wood by products are the source of your problem. Those things take a ton of N to decompose (they are high carbon)...and the microbes eat first.

So it is sorta "cook time"...but more about the choice to use wood I think.

I am pretty sure a lot of us have similar stories that we may not want to tell

Nope! the same mix has produced very well.
Last harvest, everything stayed green right to harvest.
No burn or defficiancies.

I had to look at everything besides the mix, being it did so well prior. In and outdoors.
Only difference was winter cold.
Thanks for your opinion, much appreciated.

 

[think_fast]

I want to encourage not discourage; everyone should be able to grow whatever kind of plant they want, chems and kushes all the way to landraces. I must be respectful of others and there are other ways for me to share my opinion without making jabs.

Weyenot,

Your integrity is admirable. I on the other hand learned rather quickly that hydro-hate'n is high culture 'roun hea'.

Bring out the pitch forks and light up a possum we eat'n good tonight!

Consider this a friendly public service reminder

 

[think_fast]

Only difference was winter cold.

I've heard good things come out of the mulch factory with respect to cold tolerance. Did you mulch? Did you mulch heavier than during spring/summer? What did you mulch with?

 

[Weyenot]

Ken Kesey

This might very well be the meaning of life and I couldnt agree more!! I dont EVER want to stagnate.
Im a bit out of the loop as far as Ken Kesey is concerned though; Im going to do some searching, thank you for that nudge CC