Living organic soil from start through recycling

[MileHighGuy]

TO x BMR Bx1....

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Dude! Those are nice and all.... but why they so green? Are you flushing like you should? I don't get it... you build such a nice soil, if you would just start flushing. then POW! That will be amazing.... But you know, good job for not using nutrients.... I can't even imagine how good you would do with some gnarly bottled nutes + your soil mix.

LMFAO

 

[Weyenot]

Weyenot

All of the plants that you mentioned as well as Comfrey & Stinging Nettles started out as medicinal plants a few thousands years back and they are still grown and harvested as medicine around the world today.

Borage & Comfrey are very close in their nutrient and compound profiles so they are interchangeable. The difference is that Borage will only give you about 15% of the biomass of Comfrey - if that. When you factor in the ability to take 3 - 4 cuttings a year with Comfrey the differences in biomass are even more striking.

Yarrow, Stinging Nettles & Comfrey are part of Steiner's Biodynamic tenets and are used specifically to activate compost piles like you'll be building. I think that this is far better than adding them to your worm bins because they can ramp up the heat in the bedding up in a day or two to temperatures high enough to kill some of your worms. Adding any raw Nitrogen source can bring problems that you don't need. Yarrow branches is the traditional sticks used in I Ching. Yarrow is almost revered in some cultures.

Worms do really well with mammalian manure, composted chicken manure and of course compost. Running your finished compost through the worm bins will only enhance the benefits by leaps and bounds. Makes for cheap worm bin food as well.

German Chamomile - you might want to read up on this one for it's value to you and your family. It isn't mission critical in a compost recipe and the health benefits to you would far exceed whatever the flowers might contribute to compost or even vermicompost. Price some organic Chamomile flowers for sh*ts & grins.

Same thing with Yarrow - a very ancient medicinal plant and there is a ton of information out there but again you'll do pretty well by just reading the page on Yarrow at Horizon Herbs. They have good information on all of the plants, seeds and roots that they offer. Plus they're one of a handful of seed companies that actually produce their own seeds. [cite]

If you have chickens, rabbits or livestock then you can feed them Borage, Comfrey and Stinging Nettles. Comfrey became an important fodder in England in the mid-1700s and remains so today. That was the reason the Bocking series were developed - a sterile strain so that production could be limited to specific areas.

If you have a vegetable garden then covering the soil with fresh-cut Comfrey leaves and covering that with your compost and let that sit for a couple of weeks is another way to work with the leaves. My 4 Comfrey plants produced over 3.5 cubic yards this past season which is a lot of friggin' Comfrey. You've probably read that kelp meal is an excellent Potassium (K) source which it is - no question about that. Comfrey has 2.8x that level. In England you can buy Comfrey-Kelp pellets for farms and gardens - too bad it's not available in the states.

You can also make Comfrey Syrup which is a way to have it available during the winter months. I'll dig up this one video in particular from either Australia or England that shows how it's done.

Ain't exactly rocket science......

HTH

CC

CC- I have read about a comfrey concentrate on at least one thread here, the FPE one I believe. The method is to take a plastic bottle and drill several holes in the cap and the bottom of the bottle itself and pack full of comfrey, then place the bottle upside down inside another container and leave for a time. The comfrey decomposes and creates a thick dark "syrup" that drains through the holes in the cap into the larger container. Is this what you are talking about? I definitely plan on trying this out but it would be awesome if there are other methods to try

 

[W89]

Check this out http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Xcr2nI6P30Z81H_bg&sig2=0atHsHjR3uZA7GFLnetCqw The Chemical composition and Biolgical Prprties of Coconut

 

[ColorGRo]

I know the PBP grow and bloom is not 100% organic but i read somewhere that it is like 95%and that's fine with me. I don't sell this, I grow for myself and am fine using this up and then switching to all organic no bottled nutes. Just want to know if me using some of those amendments and the pbp grow and bloom, the micro, and sea green together, will it be too hot or counter productive?

 

[MileHighGuy]

I know the PBP grow and bloom is not 100% organic but i read somewhere that it is like 95%and that's fine with me. I don't sell this, I grow for myself and am fine using this up and then switching to all organic no bottled nutes. Just want to know if me using some of those amendments and the pbp grow and bloom, the micro, and sea green together, will it be too hot or counter productive?

Not one place on the entire thread will you find a recommendation for a bottled nutrient... there is a reason for that.

With this soil mix you are after an entire living soil food web that allows the plant to actively control the area around the roots through several organic process's. This allows the right amount of nutrients at the right amount of time....

You are suggesting that all of this hard work developing a truly living soil be completely fucked over because you don't want to throw away or sell some kelated semi-organic nutrients that will ruin your soil and any chance you have at applying the principals taught here.

Just use the soil... trust all of the information here.... or don't.. but don't waste your money on both! that's like smoking cigarettes while on the patch and using an e-cigarette while inside..... sheesh.

 

[ColorGRo]

I'm no pro here but I'd not use the PBP for an organic grow. Especially if you plan to recycle and or reuse the soil mix. They contain toxic chelating agents, from what I understand.
EJ may be OK as I believe it's a ferment extract and I have no idea what the sea green is so check it out before you start dumping it on your new soil mix.

Anyway,
I've found a page or two that might be useful for those that forage for their accumulator plant composting materials.


List of Dynamic Accumulators
http://www.oregonbd.org/class/Accum.htm

Lists of Hyperaccumulators (Copy/Paste second 2 links if they dont work)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hyperaccumulators
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperaccumulators_table_–_2_:_Nickel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperaccumulators_table_–_3

I wasn't sure if the hyper-accumulator pages would help anybody or not so included them as well.

Thanks

 

[think_fast]

TO x BMR Bx1....

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Keep it up Gascan! Dude flies in like a comet puts a spacer between our rhetoric and leaves us with dropped jaws. Love it!

 

[think_fast]

ColorGro,

If I could paraphrase what MHG is saying: just because you invested in something in which you no longer believe in doesn't mean you should sabotage your new investment.

Not saying you shouldn't use those bottled nutes (on another note MHG, respected posters here use at least a few bottled substances, such as Protekt and FulPower, among others I'm sure. Whether these can be classified as 'nutes' is for more learned men than I to discern), but perhaps you ought to take your losses with the understanding that you now know better. Or do you? Sometimes you never know until you try!

Anyway, I think someone ought to actually give you some hard fact advice before you chuck em.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Check this out http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Xcr2nI6P30Z81H_bg&sig2=0atHsHjR3uZA7GFLnetCqw

The Chemical composition and Biolgical Prprties of Coconut

At less than $3.00 for about 12 oz. of water in a fresh young coconut that's an amazing array of phytohormones, etc. isn't it?

 

[MileHighGuy]

ColorGro,

If I could paraphrase what MHG is saying: just because you invested in something in which you no longer believe in doesn't mean you should sabotage your new investment.

Not saying you shouldn't use those bottled nutes (on another note MHG, respected posters here use at least a few bottled substances, such as Protekt and FulPower, among others I'm sure. Whether these can be classified as 'nutes' is for more learned men than I to discern), but perhaps you ought to take your losses with the understanding that you now know better. Or do you? Sometimes you never know until you try!

Anyway, I think someone ought to actually give you some hard fact advice before you chuck em.

Bottled substances... yes. Bottled nutrient programs... NO!

Don't use this at any cost. Unless of course you want to burn the shit out or your plants.

Hows that for some hard fact advice

 

[ColorGRo]

Not one place on the entire thread will you find a recommendation for a bottled nutrient... there is a reason for that.

With this soil mix you are after an entire living soil food web that allows the plant to actively control the area around the roots through several organic process's. This allows the right amount of nutrients at the right amount of time....

You are suggesting that all of this hard work developing a truly living soil be completely fucked over because you don't want to throw away or sell some kelated semi-organic nutrients that will ruin your soil and any chance you have at applying the principals taught here.

Just use the soil... trust all of the information here.... or don't.. but don't waste your money on both! that's like smoking cigarettes while on the patch and using an e-cigarette while inside..... sheesh.

I didnt realize i was asking for a recommendation from anybody. I certainly did not even type the word recommend. I mentioned that this growing is for myself and its 3/3 because i am in Colorado. Thank you for worrying about my pocket but i am not spending money on anything except to make a AACT brewer. I simply asked if it would be counter productive because i have seen successful grows with AACTs and PBP G&B. I asked because their grow logs were implying that even tho PBP is not 100% organic, it still worked with a living soil. Then i found this thread and asked the question.

 

[MileHighGuy]

I didnt realize i was asking for a recommendation from anybody. I certainly did not even type the word recommend. I mentioned that this growing is for myself and its 3/3 because i am in Colorado. Thank you for worrying about my pocket but i am not spending money on anything except to make a AACT brewer. I simply asked if it would be counter productive because i have seen successful grows with AACTs and PBP G&B. I asked because their grow logs were implying that even tho PBP is not 100% organic, it still worked with a living soil. Then i found this thread and asked the question.

It will work. These plants are resilient.

Don't do it.

You'll have better results.

Follow what is written here and use your best judgment.

Learn about the soil and you will understand why I'm so frustrated. It makes no sense at all.

Sorry for being rude.... kind of. But I hope that my rudeness prompts you to research further.

For now, just use the soil mix, all will be well.

 

[ColorGRo]

ColorGro,

If I could paraphrase what MHG is saying: just because you invested in something in which you no longer believe in doesn't mean you should sabotage your new investment.

Not saying you shouldn't use those bottled nutes (on another note MHG, respected posters here use at least a few bottled substances, such as Protekt and FulPower, among others I'm sure. Whether these can be classified as 'nutes' is for more learned men than I to discern), but perhaps you ought to take your losses with the understanding that you now know better. Or do you? Sometimes you never know until you try!

Anyway, I think someone ought to actually give you some hard fact advice before you chuck em.

Thank you. I did not tell the whole back story to my question but i feel i was pretty up front about it and would get some hard fact advice like you said.

 

[ColorGRo]

It will work. These plants are resilient.

Don't do it.

You'll have better results.

Follow what is written here and use your best judgment.

Learn about the soil and you will understand why I'm so frustrated. It makes no sense at all.

Sorry for being rude.... kind of. But I hope that my rudeness prompts you to research further.

For now, just use the soil mix, all will be well.

My question was asked because i was researching further. I have been quiet on this site and have been reading a lot of information, hence the recent few questions i have posted. My love for the plant is what prompts me to read and learn what i can. Not your rudeness, that's your issue.

 

[ColorGRo]

is this barley seed alright to use?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

The method is to take a plastic bottle and drill several holes in the cap and the bottom of the bottle itself and pack full of comfrey, then place the bottle upside down inside another container and leave for a time. The comfrey decomposes and creates a thick dark "syrup" that drains through the holes in the cap into the larger container. Is this what you are talking about? I definitely plan on trying this out but it would be awesome if there are other methods to try

This is the simplest way......

The second method also involves stacking the dry leaves in a bucket with a weight on top, but first you place holes in the base of the bucket and then stack that bucket inside another bucket that it can drip into. When the dry leaves (no water added) begin to decompose, a thick black comfrey concentrate will drip through the hole and into the second bucket. This must be diluted at approximately 15:1 before use.

HTH

CC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

is this barley seed alright to use?

ColorGro

That is fine but way overpriced - here's an organic Barley seed for 1/3 that price from Amazon and even that is way too expensive, IMHO

Do you have a home brewing store in your area? That's a better option and far less expensive.

CC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Who could dispute the results?

Our resident AMBA member parading around as an expert?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Microbes in the Tailoring of Barley Malt Properties

Courtesy of Surf Biter aka Gnarly Ganja Guy aka Seandawg - many, many thanks!

 

[rocketman420]

i am new to the indoor organics. i am mixing up some soil with peat moss compost, blood, bone, cottonseed meal, guanos, kelp, and marine meal. it has been sitting for about 2 weeks now. i just opened it to flip and the top is covered in a white mold. is this ok, should i flip it and let it keep going or is it ruined? thanks