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[ClackamasCootz]

If you get stopped by a cop in a med state, and you have a few clones in the passenger seat, can he still arrest you, or will he honor your card?

shmalphy

Under Oregon's MMJ laws, a cardholder is allowed to have 1.5 pounds of 'plant material' in their possession or in their control (as you described in a car).

A case 3 years ago is a good illustration on how it works: a car is pulled over and there were 40 pounds of dried, cured bud in the trunk. The driver was a cardholder and was also the designated grower for 3 others as provided by law meaning that he could legally carry 6 pounds - 1.5 for each card.

He was charged for 34 pounds and not the 40 that were in the trunk. This was an arrest by Oregon State Police and not a local police officer or sheriff's deputy.

CC

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I've been wanting to ask you guys about Oregon's mmj program. I understand it's more difficult to get a card there. Those of you willing to answer: do you have a legitimate medical need, are recreational card prescriptions as common as CA, and I guess the roughest question is have I just been assuming you guys are legal at state level?

MrSterling

Here's a link that explains the medical conditions that the Oregon law covers. As you can see it's pretty easy to get a card. I've never heard of anyone having a problem. I hit 3 conditions and the jury is still out on the Alzheimer's so it could be 4.

If you want a card it's not an issue getting one. The only reason that I got one in the first place was to get access to the OMMP groups which have private forums where you can ask for specific strains as well as review the posts from growers offering cuts, plants, seeds, etc. An interesting journey into the strain-name-game deal to be sure.

Growing personal amounts in Oregon with or without a card isn't a big deal like say Idaho or Utah. Having a non-medical grow (meaning without a card) and doing something stupid like shooting your gun in the air on New Year's Eve in a residential neighborhood and pissing off your neighbors will cause you problems since piling on charges is standard in any jurisdiction.

"No big deal"

CC

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Awesome info on the em1. I also wondered if the claim about preserving teas was true.

I can see areas where i have used various molasses teas and em1 ferments improved. It really does start to turn clay into soil.

My em1 bottle is still half full and i got it couple years back i think.

Recently found this easy recipe to activate: http://em1-antrade.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/em-1-applications-for-ponds-pools-and.html


Page 2 shows a few different ways using sea salt and sugar or molasses and rice wash. Didnt realise it can be used as a household cleaner also. Magic stuff!!



ps. Blumats are the bomb, so easy and effective.

 

[MrSterling]

Just made my first batch of act with some aloe vera bubbled in. God I love this smell!

CC thanks for the links and heads up.

 

[Coba]

I just found a mom and pop organic farm and farm supply outfit that sells 50lb bags of Thorvin Kelp for $55.00.

that's $1.10 a pound! I'm paying close to $4.00 a pound for Algamin at my local retail nursery...

 

[shmalphy]

I know of at least one court case where the words "medical marijuana" aren't allowed, the jury decides their verdict no different than the average street dealer (big time dealer). Super nice fuckin people too, couldn't imagine wanting him put away for years nd years.....

This is what I was figuring for the most part.. We just got MMJ, and they are adding vehicle forfeiture laws, and more beds to the jails, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what they are doing.

 

[bajangreen]

How i make ACT.................

I only brew 1L bottles this way i can just dilute the tea with the rain water collected on-site, the 1L act goes in a 2 gall sprayer, this way i can have up to 3 different teas for different plants going at the same time.

A smaller tea also means better aeration.

 

[MileHighGuy]

Questioning the Smaller is better theory.

I have heard that fermentation time can be reduced while activiating EM with a larger size batch.

I wonder if the same is true with ACT.

Does a larger batch brew exponentially faster as it multiplies or is this just some weird thought in my head from being sick the last couple days?

Where is the diminishing point of return?

 

[Microbeman]

Questioning the Smaller is better theory.

I have heard that fermentation time can be reduced while activiating EM with a larger size batch.

I wonder if the same is true with ACT.

Does a larger batch brew exponentially faster as it multiplies or is this just some weird thought in my head from being sick the last couple days?

Where is the diminishing point of return?

EM- temperature, light and offgasing are more difficult with larger volumes

ACT; Since the time period we are dealing with (36 to 48 hrs) is not conducive to sexual propagation we are 99% looking at cell division which is independent of numbers. The neat thing about being able to make small batches in simple fashion.

 

[Gascanastan]

Mazar-I-Shariff

12 hrs after Tibetan barley seed sprout (juice) watering....The praying hands/positive growth look still holding. Typically after an aloe treatment they seem to hold about this log as well. This plant along w/a few others had a bit of an issue dealing with a hot compost topdress on the no-till 5-galllon pots they are in.

Only added about 2 inches of compost across the surface of the no-till pots,which goes to show the power of very slight amending in no-till pots...after messing around with no-tills for about 2 years now I can see they do NOT need much food,definitely not as much as a fresh mixed potting soil...
No-tills rock it...dialing 'em in...dialing 'em in...soon life will be simple once these no-till methods get worked out to fool proof and close the loop.
I knew the compost wasn't done and knew I'd see some signs of burning. At the time I had no choice but to use the compost anyway...I could have waited another couple weeks to topdress and allow that compost to finish a little better,but I had free labor @ the time and went for the topdress on the no-tills anyway.

Somewhere around the 3rd week of flower everything in that compost will be utilized by the soil...and all the plants in this room will be looking pretty.

 

[MrSterling]

Stan I had no idea your no tills were in 5-gal.'s. Nice! Do you put holes in the bottom at all?

 

[bajangreen]

Questioning the Smaller is better theory.

I have heard that fermentation time can be reduced while activiating EM with a larger size batch.

I wonder if the same is true with ACT.

Does a larger batch brew exponentially faster as it multiplies or is this just some weird thought in my head from being sick the last couple days?

Where is the diminishing point of return?

My limiting factors are.
1) Small size of my air pump
2) Small size of my garden (12, 5gall & 15, 3gall)
3) Plants in all different stages
4) Gorilla grow so i have to pack in all this ACT.

For the above reasons i chose this method because with such a small amount of act and small pump i can have a very high Dissolved oxygen level.this should increase the amount biological activity.

 

[Gascanastan]

Stan I had no idea your no tills were in 5-gal.'s. Nice! Do you put holes in the bottom at all?

Yes sir...1/4 inch holes every 4 or 5 inches around the pot...could use more really.

 

[bajangreen]

How often do you water your plants and about how much? also what do you pull? i water a liter a week along with what ever rain fall. i get 1-2 oz per bucket.

 

[rrog]

No-tills rock it...dialing 'em in...dialing 'em in...soon life will be simple once these no-till methods get worked out to fool proof and close the loop.

I have found a lot of hydro people that are really intimidated by real organics. All of the bottled "organic" fert companies capitalize on this anxiety. Most growers would prefer to go all-natural. These guys would use your plan.

There are also organic soil growers that don't understand re-amendment and so they throw soil away like garbage. These guys would use your plan.

Also, there is a batch of cost-conscience hydro growers that will have to look also, due to the cost savings of No-Till. No way anything can compete price-wise. These guys would use your plan.

The world has been waiting for this closed loop.

 

[Gascanastan]

How often do you water your plants and about how much? also what do you pull? i water a liter a week along with what ever rain fall. i get 1-2 oz per bucket.

Every plant,due to it's size and particular type,has it's own watering needs. Plants of the same size tend to be on the same schedule...smaller plants use less water. Some types just require less water. If I don't get 1 lb per 1000 watt I'd quit growing...type has a lot to do w/yield. Some types will give you 2 lbs. Per 1 k watt...others never will.

 

[Microbeman]

now I can see they do NOT need much food,

Way to go my friend. I remember back a few years some treated me like crazy for suggesting this method.

One straw - hooraw

 

[OrganicLearner]

I keep reading some contradicting info on making quality castings; some places say that the way to get quality worm poo is to let the worms redigest there old castings and some places say that it will poison them..

Was also wondering if it's truely possible to make quality castings by giving the worms in all peat diet? I have recently spoke with a guy who sells castings that everybody raves about and he's saying that all he feeds his worms are peat.

Anyone want to chime in on these topics?

 

[BlueJayWay]

Stan -

The no-tills I've done were only done because the previous crop was fully green at harvest, which on the no till run = no fuss, great yield n growth etc etc, couldn't be easier. Only top dressed with a handful of compost, one or two act's, one or two botanical teas, and mostly straight water. They ended very green also, with close to zero additional inputs on 2nd run!

I'm doing some no-tills this go around in 7gal smarties which previous crop ended light green to yellow to very yellow, massive flower growth. I topdressed with a good couple inches quality compost blended with small amounts of select amendments/minerals and watered with act. After sitting for a week they will be planted in. Just for kicks I'm leaving a couple as is that will be replanted with no additional inputs, just teas as needed.

One would assume if a plant finished up very yellow then the 2nd run will have to be fed heavily or topdressed aggressively to get vigorous healthy growth, I'm curious if youve seen any anomalies that didn't fit into what was assumed would happen. i.e. 2nd run ended up better with less inputs simply because the soil was more well established etc.

I'm rambling now, curious to know what others have observed in no-tills on 2nd and 3rd runs vs. how the immediate prior crop performed.

 

[unclefishstick]

I have found a lot of hydro people that are really intimidated by real organics. All of the bottled "organic" fert companies capitalize on this anxiety. Most growers would prefer to go all-natural. These guys would use your plan.

There are also organic soil growers that don't understand re-amendment and so they throw soil away like garbage. These guys would use your plan.

Also, there is a batch of cost-conscience hydro growers that will have to look also, due to the cost savings of No-Till. No way anything can compete price-wise. These guys would use your plan.

The world has been waiting for this closed loop.

this is not a closed loop system,everything i have read here indicates it requires new input frequently.indeed it would be impossible to close the loop since you remove the parts of the plant that require the most resources to produce.