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[Neo 420]

The only time I remove leaves is when they are blocking flowering sites of light....or removing suckers from the lower canopy.

Pics of some of my lower "defoils" when I was "practicing"..
I believe these were over 6ft.

GAS
You strip the leaves or remove the whole lower branch(when vegging)?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Gas

Have you use the organic composted chicken manure from Stutzman's in Canby, Oregon? I've never found a nursery in Oregon that didn't sell this product - today it was on sale down the street for $2.50 a bag

I'm going to mix it in equal parts with the Oly fish compost for a couple of SmartPots worm bins this week. Should be pretty nice when it's finished.

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Neo...That looks about right...leaves and branches depending.

Through the grows over the years I've noticed 3 layers of canopy...the lowest being the one that is obviously the less productive...unless you have types that produce nice and frosty larf down there that you can utilize for hash,etc.

Keeping that lower canopy cleaned up helps with airflow which IME knocks down 90% of PM problems,and focuses growing energy on the most productive branches when you remove a scraggly non-productive lower canopy branch.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Keeping that lower canopy cleaned up helps with airflow which IME knocks down 90% of PM problems,and focuses growing energy on the most productive branches when you remove a scraggly non-productive lower canopy branch.

^^^^word

 

[Gascanastan]

Gas

Have you use the organic composted chicken manure from Stutzman's in Canby, Oregon? I've never found a nursery in Oregon that didn't sell this product - today it was on sale down the street for $2.50 a bag

I'm going to mix it in equal parts with the Oly fish compost for a couple of SmartPots worm bins this week. Should be pretty nice when it's finished.

CC

Composted chicken manure is good shit~..that's a damned good price man...should be no fear of burning in a soil mix eh.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

No burning at all. This is legitimate compost - certified organic by USDA

I used it in the gardens for the past 2 years. I even top-dressed the comfrey plants which as I learned was pretty unnecessary - LOL

Nice product for cheap money......

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

No burning at all. This is legitimate compost - certified organic by USDA

I used it in the gardens for the past 2 years. I even top-dressed the comfrey plants which as I learned was pretty unnecessary - LOL

Nice product for cheap money......

CC

Me want.....

Yes sir...I'm a chicken poop promoter.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

 

[Gascanastan]

Well... at this point I hope everyone knows I kidding about the defoliation.

Been some pretty heated debates here in this forum about it..another one of those "are you fucking serious" myths that the educated realize/know is bullshit.

 

[Gascanastan]

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Well shit...I've seen that bag around here and there. What's the scoop on these particular chickens diet I wonder...

 

[Neo 420]

Been some pretty heated debates here in this forum about it..another one of those "are you fucking serious" myths that the educated realize/know is bullshit.

The funny thing about this particular bro-sceince, it affects only small numbers growers. It is completely unsustainable in large numbers. Better be getting overtime.. HA HA..

 

[YosemiteSam]

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At the risk of abuse...I like that stuff. It is very high Ca...don't know what they fed em, but it made em shit a lot of Ca.

It is also very high P so repeated use may accumulate too much of this.

I tend to use it in intitial mixes but not to re amend.

But things are no doubt different in feeding worms. I have got to get my lazy ass moving on that project.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

What's the scoop on these particular chickens diet I wonder...

I'm sure that their manure comes from the commercial Foster Farms operation down in Springfield

Fresh organic chicken manure isn't available. The producers guard that like it's gold and compost it themselves for the fields where the chickens run around. Legitimate 'free range' growers

They ain't lettin' it go........

CC

 

[unclefishstick]

its the "supermodel" theory of growing,if you cut supermodels off from food they make more money,so clearly the same principles apply to growing plants....now if you could make your plants barf them you would have something!

 

[ClackamasCootz]

At the risk of abuse...I like that stuff. It is very high Ca...don't know what they fed em, but it made em shit a lot of Ca.

It is also very high P so repeated use may accumulate too much of this.

I tend to use it in intitial mixes but not to re amend.

But things are no doubt different in feeding worms. I have got to get my lazy ass moving on that project.

Sam

Pacific Pearl which is the oldest packer of oyster shell powder began their operation over 100 years ago and the primary use then and now is for livestock feed and especially for poultry.

Oyster shell powder = Calcium Carbonate. Egg shells are also Calcium Carbonate = stronger shells, etc.

However this shell powder is not from standard oyster shells but it's from an ancient sea deposit at the bottom of San Francisco Bay that are the shells of a small oyster that was about the size of a fingernail on your pinkie.

Because of the purity (vs. Calcite Lime), their product is also widely used in health food store Calcium supplements, i.e. the better ones are always Calcium Carbonate.

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Fosters....don't they claim the term 'natural'..as compared to ??

 

[ClackamasCootz]

The use of the term 'natural' has no legal definition - nada, nothing, zip, meaningless.

It is however a very effective marketing tool however and if it means nothing in human food can you imagine how little it means in the world of fertilizers?

FUD

 

[YosemiteSam]

Thing with the chicken manure is I did not have enough cec for the amount I used..100 lbs of chicken manure in a mix with a total cec of 27. It released more ions than my mix could hold and drove my EC very high. I actually ended the grow with 166 ppm NO3 running loose in my soil.

It did not actually burn but I am sure it hurt growth.

It contains a lot of stuff is all I am saying. You gotta use it with some caution. Your cec will protect you much better than mine did...but still at least be aware.

 

[BlueJayWay]

I'm going to mix it in equal parts with the Oly fish compost for a couple of SmartPots worm bins this week. Should be pretty nice when it's finished.

CC

CC

Smartpot worm bin - I don't want to assume what I think it may be (which would be super easy) - do you mind elaborating how your utilizing worms here?
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If i could just take one of my large smartpots (i.e. #45 or #25) sitting around and fill it with compost / leaves / ammendments etc etc and the worms will do there thing, then that would be ideal, & awesome.

Even letting recycled soil "rest" in a smartpot with worms added to regergitate (revitalize!) the mix, that would be great too.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

For example: Against Nature

Pepperidge Farm Goldfish crackers are made from flour, oil, milk, and salt, and not much else. The cheddar variety is “baked with real cheese” and contains no artificial preservatives. But are these crucian crackers really “natural,” as the package claims? Or are they fishy Frankenfoods?

Last week a woman in Colorado sued the Pepperidge farmers over what she said were bogus claims about their Goldfish. The company had “mistakenly or misleadingly represented that its Cheddar Goldfish crackers are ‘Natural,’ ” she complained in her complaint, “when it fact, they are not.” Since the soybean oil used in the snacks is made from genetically modified crops, and since those crops “contain genes and/or DNA that would not normally be in them,” she concluded that the Goldfish “are thus unnatural.”

The lawsuit came just days after the defeat of California’s Proposition 37, which would have enshrined the reasoning behind her complaint into law. Prop. 37 said that any foodstuff made with genetically modified organisms should be identified as such with a cautionary phrase plastered on its packaging, and also that it could not be marketed as “natural.” If the law had passed, it would have made producers add one phrase and take away another. It would have legislated what food was and also what it wasn’t.

More at link......