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What do I do with my 3x 2 lb plants? That's 47 more ounces than one can legally have. Even being allowed to grow one plant will destine 90% of growers to exceed their one ounce limit.
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Fuck 'em....I'll still do what I do forever. If they wanna play fair so will I....but until then I will remain skeptical of government managing my planet's naturally occurring medicine...and take matters into my own hands if I must. Am I a rebel...or just a citizen of a cleverly oppressive dictatorship.
This law was the perfect trick to pull off on stoners at the polls..."legalize pot man"...yeah sure dude,did you read the initiative?...it's a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' thing yo.
Makes sense they went to hempfest and hit up a rather large demographic of stoned people with the initiative..KNOWING they wouldn't read it.
This law was the perfect trick to pull off on stoners at the polls..."legalize pot man"...yeah sure dude,did you read the initiative?...it's a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' thing yo.
Makes sense they went to hempfest and hit up a rather large demographic of stoned people with the initiative..KNOWING they wouldn't read it.
JoeDudeGuy
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Gotta admit I smiled huge when I heard Colorado passed that "test", and pretty much wish I lived there !
Probably not, when crossing state lines that becomes federal jurisdiction...
...hence one of the many hypocrisies of the laws. Time will tell...
Welcome to America in the 21st century...I bet our founding fathers are all crying in their graves.
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YosemiteSam
True victory or not at least CO will not be locking up anyone over 21 for enjoying a little ganja anymore. Baby steps maybe...but moving in the right direction...a 1000 miles to go but the journey has begun.
IncredibowlBoss
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You hit all nails on their appropriate heads - as soon as the governor certifies the vote here, I can legally knock on my LEO neighbor's door and hand her an ounce. She can't necessarily smoke it because employers are still allowed to drug test and terminate at their own discretion here. But she sure as fuck can't arrest me!
Basically, anyone over 21 can walk around with up to an oz at a time, can grow 6 plants (3 veg, 3 bloom), and can give up to an oz to anyone else over 21. In addition, the state has 15 months to establish a structure and begin licensing retail marijuana businesses.
Oh, and as for flying, the cops at the Denver airport have been giving me the ok to fly with up to 2 oz with my medical card for the past few years ("it's legal where we're standing and it's someone else's problem where you're headed"). A buddy flew back from San Fran to Denver with a tray of clones a couple year ago, too.
You can say half full or half empty.. Regardless the correct steps have begun in eliminating the harsh draconian laws that prevail here in the USA. Truly a historic night and only leads me to believe we will see a end to the tyranny. Some say it wasn't enough. Some say it gives the gov too much power of the sales. IMO if a person can smoke a dubee in his home without fear of arrest, we are in the right direction. PERIOD.
Time to light up a fat one and make a aloe/silica/neem foilar for my ladies....
GO Colorado and Washington!!! (I am kinda perturbed that Cali didn't do this first- We started the whole ball rolling)
IncredibowlBoss
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At least in CO, you'd gift the excess to friends. Who probably suddenly remember all the birthdays they forgot to give you presents for and hand you a birthday card full of cash.
Alright guys...
How do you see this affecting organic living soil gardening and cannabis.....
Will access to equipment,amendments,and plant type be governed by authorities...
In other words after the initial licensing is underway,will patients be limited to certain 'brands'......will freedom of personal choice be compromised when it comes to what you can grow and/or have access to in relation to the actual quality of the medicine?
Will organic gardeners be allowed some form of organic certification?
Will cannabis finally be treated like ANY other plant crop on earth?
Just some of the questions in relation to how this directly affects the way we grow with ROLS and quality of product as far as a 'legal' and compliant cannabis supplier goes.
How do you see this affecting organic living soil gardening and cannabis.....
Will access to equipment,amendments,and plant type be governed by authorities...
In other words after the initial licensing is underway,will patients be limited to certain 'brands'......will freedom of personal choice be compromised when it comes to what you can grow and/or have access to in relation to the actual quality of the medicine?
Will organic gardeners be allowed some form of organic certification?
Will cannabis finally be treated like ANY other plant crop on earth?
Just some of the questions in relation to how this directly affects the way we grow with ROLS and quality of product as far as a 'legal' and compliant cannabis supplier goes.
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YosemiteSam
As it stands in CO every single person has the right to grow 6 plants indoors in a locked room with no cert process at all. You can gow what you want how you want (minus the sun).
Commercially the fight is no doubt on.
Commercially the fight is no doubt on.
Apparently patients here still have the right to their own medical gardens under standing law.....
Oh yeah...the boys with the big bucks are moving in for the best positions to kill as we speak....
Here's the gist of Oregon 80......
Like alcohol which is controlled by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC), the state would set the price, tax rate, etc. Other than beer & wine sales, alcohol is 100% controlled by the OLCC. There is no free enterprise in this area. OLCC sets the price that everyone has to pay for a bottle of whatever - regular people, hotels, taverns, restaurants, etc. The retail stores are licensed by OLCC and they pick the location and the 'owner' has to buy from the state which dictates the hours of operation and everything else. By controlling the price that the store pays AND what the store can charge there is a profit ceiling built-in.
Currently the MMJ program (OMMP) falls under Department of Human Services because the Oregon medical groups wanted nothing to do with it dating back to the Bush-Cheney years and especially AG John Ashcroft who went after a couple of doctors here 11 years ago.
The agency dealing with intra-state commerce wouldn't know much about buying, packaging and distributing cannabis so the only agency that could handle this would be the Oregon Department of Agriculture (ODA)
If this measure had passed it could easily be amended by the Oregon legislative bodies or even by an Executive Order. Since the state would be selling it then they might have an interest in setting standards like they do with every other agricultural crop. Cannabis isn't going to get a pass in this area.
Sound like legalization to anyone? What am I missing?
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If Measure 80 had passed then the state of Oregon would now be in the cannabis business and would issue grow permits with the caveat that all production other than personal use, would have to go through this commission. The commission would fall under the executive branch, i.e. Oregon's governor, and then the discussion would turn to which agency would this commission fall under?
Like alcohol which is controlled by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC), the state would set the price, tax rate, etc. Other than beer & wine sales, alcohol is 100% controlled by the OLCC. There is no free enterprise in this area. OLCC sets the price that everyone has to pay for a bottle of whatever - regular people, hotels, taverns, restaurants, etc. The retail stores are licensed by OLCC and they pick the location and the 'owner' has to buy from the state which dictates the hours of operation and everything else. By controlling the price that the store pays AND what the store can charge there is a profit ceiling built-in.
Currently the MMJ program (OMMP) falls under Department of Human Services because the Oregon medical groups wanted nothing to do with it dating back to the Bush-Cheney years and especially AG John Ashcroft who went after a couple of doctors here 11 years ago.
The agency dealing with intra-state commerce wouldn't know much about buying, packaging and distributing cannabis so the only agency that could handle this would be the Oregon Department of Agriculture (ODA)
If this measure had passed it could easily be amended by the Oregon legislative bodies or even by an Executive Order. Since the state would be selling it then they might have an interest in setting standards like they do with every other agricultural crop. Cannabis isn't going to get a pass in this area.
Sound like legalization to anyone? What am I missing?
CC
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YosemiteSam
You are seeing it with grower eyes. Anything that keeps a person from going to jail for smoking has to good on some level.
But yea...state control = crony capitalism for sure.
But yea...state control = crony capitalism for sure.
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Oregon was the first state to decriminalize cannabis over 40 years ago and it wasn't a ballot measure, it was passed by the Oregon legislature and signed into law by Governor Atiyeh. Sure filled up the colleges and universities in Oregon with the Vietnam War still going on.
Since that initial law was passed, this state has voted on cannabis-related measures no less than 8 times. This isn't a bunch of neophytes here.
Other than a couple of runs by Ashcroft, the OMMP has been a model for other states. No one is going to jail. No one is getting busted. Except for the pussies who wave the 'medical cannabis' canard around to justify being 'even more compassionate' by running 200 plants in the great outdoors.
No one is being harassed here so the question becomes who would this law benefit?
And when you dig around and figure that one out you'll see why NO money flowed into this. None. The initiative was the work of a guy who owns several MMJ clinics in several states. He spent $400,000.00 of his own money. He lost in 2010 on a similar measure which went down in flames.
Trying to wet his beak on the backs of MMJ growers isn't going to fly. Not this guy or his minions.
Oregon grassroot politics is much at play here. If a law is to pass it will have to be one that doesn't take from this group to benefit a handful of ass-clowns 'in the community'
CC
Oregon was the first state to decriminalize cannabis over 40 years ago and it wasn't a ballot measure, it was passed by the Oregon legislature and signed into law by Governor Atiyeh. Sure filled up the colleges and universities in Oregon with the Vietnam War still going on.
Since that initial law was passed, this state has voted on cannabis-related measures no less than 8 times. This isn't a bunch of neophytes here.
Other than a couple of runs by Ashcroft, the OMMP has been a model for other states. No one is going to jail. No one is getting busted. Except for the pussies who wave the 'medical cannabis' canard around to justify being 'even more compassionate' by running 200 plants in the great outdoors.
No one is being harassed here so the question becomes who would this law benefit?
And when you dig around and figure that one out you'll see why NO money flowed into this. None. The initiative was the work of a guy who owns several MMJ clinics in several states. He spent $400,000.00 of his own money. He lost in 2010 on a similar measure which went down in flames.
Trying to wet his beak on the backs of MMJ growers isn't going to fly. Not this guy or his minions.
Oregon grassroot politics is much at play here. If a law is to pass it will have to be one that doesn't take from this group to benefit a handful of ass-clowns 'in the community'
CC
Grower eyes...a serious condition man~
It is kinda' cool to finally be able to smoke legally w/out paranoia due to concerns about the actual act of smoking and the inebriation that follows,ya know a big "fuck you" to the man......
.......considering you don't have to drive a car in the next 3 to 4 weeks after smoking due to blood tests from being profiled/stereotyped as a possible 'cannabis user' while driving your car some 3 to 4 weeks after smoking.
Do not put cannabis stickers on your car in Washington state kidz!!!!!
It is kinda' cool to finally be able to smoke legally w/out paranoia due to concerns about the actual act of smoking and the inebriation that follows,ya know a big "fuck you" to the man......
.......considering you don't have to drive a car in the next 3 to 4 weeks after smoking due to blood tests from being profiled/stereotyped as a possible 'cannabis user' while driving your car some 3 to 4 weeks after smoking.
Do not put cannabis stickers on your car in Washington state kidz!!!!!
IncredibowlBoss
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I'd call that a toss up, leaning in our favor. In CO & WA, the margin was 8 & 10% (respectively). It's not a landslide by any means, but it's considerably more decisive than most presidential elections, and the math geeks who tell the politicians what to think bear those sorts of figures in mind.
At least in CO, I believe this is a definite 'no'. What we saw with the über-regulation of our MMJ industry out here is:
1. Legislators are WAY more concerned with things like out of state investors, licensing, and in general large commercial operations. The home grower is generally below the radar of further legislation.
2. Legislators generally realized that we knew what we were doing and that they didn't have the time or inclination to get half a clue as far as the technical aspects of cultivation. That said, they may become intensely interested in the finances of giant grow stores.
The dream!! At least in CO, probably not - Colorado Certified Organic is just a local office of USDA Certified Organic (as far as I can tell, and I'm sure I butchered those agency names), and that means the Feds are in the mix, and they will surely nix. (At least right now)
I think there will be a fad in home growing that could taper off as quickly as 8 weeks of veg and 9.5 weeks of flower in many cases. I think what would sustain this sort of fad would be education and media about weed (and cultivation) aimed at an older, less 'hip' audience than the typical.
This is where I think ROLS (which I have a habit of calling EHO [egghead organics]) stands to make an impact - the 'face' of cannabis culture right now is rebellious, adolescent, and, well, targeted at males 16-25. This entire thread - the info, the attitudes, etc. - is the polar opposite and I think this Tao of cannabis has the potential to really become the predominant face of the culture as it merges into the mainstream.
Along with the cultivation of industrial hemp (which I believe will completely eclipse recreational pot in impact on every arena), I think this wiser, smarter canna culture can truly make this plant the healing of the nations.
(End legal hash rant)
Well said.
Watching what unfolds is going to be interesting to witness.
Giant chemi grow stores....Marlboro Kush anyone...Camel OG wides....and then the lesser brands of floor sweepings.
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