Living organic soil from start through recycling

[Gascanastan]

Anyone ever use cod liver oil as an amendment?

I dumped a bottle of cod liver oil in my compost this summer...

Just visited a brand new hydro-shop around the corner....funny walking into this giant warehouse filled with everything you could imagine and only needing 1 thing from these places...ever.
Dynagro Protekt....trust me if I could extract the silica out of horsetail where it could become as effective as protekt....or make potassium silicate myself..I would.

1 gallon lasts 1 cycle..the only bottle I buy these days....with the exception of some good rum once in a blue moon.

BTW...sinking some B-laods of original Cherry Bomb atm..this stuff tastes great~

 

[shmalphy]

Agsil 16 is the same thing as Pro-Tekt in powder form, much cheaper

http://mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-FertilizerSilica-Silicon-Compounds_c130.htm

I think it was CC who mentioned it, possibly in this thread... I am going to start working on a table of contents or something

 

[Neo 420]

Agsil 16 is the same thing as Pro-Tekt in powder form, much cheaper

http://mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-FertilizerSilica-Silicon-Compounds_c130.htm

I think it was CC who mentioned it, possibly in this thread... I am going to start working on a table of contents or something

1lb for 10 bucks.... Not bad..... Been looking for this too!!!

 

[Neo 420]

re cloning: Recently, I tried taking a tip from an aloe leaf and dunking cuttings in the gel. They seem to love it.. I am trying it side by side with saliva (yes.. spit.. I put it in my mouth for a few seconds, I think it has to do with the salivary amylase or something), I read that it works, and although there are no visible roots coming out the drainage holes yet, the plants in both groups are "praying" and look healthy as can be with no dome, in EWC in 3 oz solo cups, under ambient light...

This is a recipe I found on the web for making willow tea:

1. Collect a handful of willow branch twigs, preferably the tips of branches where the highest concentrations of IBA and SA are found. Also, don’t use dead branches (most of the IBA has likely leached out).
2. Remove all leaves from the twigs, and cut the twigs into short pieces (if you feel like it).
3. Boil a gallon of water.
4. Put the twigs into a one-gallon jar and pour the hot water into the jar. Seal the jar. You essentially have just made a gallon of willow twig tea.
5. Let the tea cool to room temperature. Make sure to label the jar and write down the brewing date. The tea should be used within two months of brewing.
6. To use for propagated plants (see note on propagation), pour the willow water into a vase or jar, and place fresh plant cuttings in it like flowers in a vase. Or, pour the water directly onto the soil of a potted plant or in your garden bed. Watering cuttings or young plants a couple of times should be sufficient, and within a couple weeks you should notice substantial root growth.

 

[Gardens Keeper]

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[shmalphy]

Up to 52 pages, kind of skimming over them and highlighting what I found most helpful at this point, if anyone thinks I missed anything, let me know.

The Page # was in bold on wordpad but it won't paste over that way, and I don't feel like changing them each update, so I will do that at the end, when I am caught up. Makes it a bit harder to read but it still works.

Page 1

Gascan, Vonforne, Scrappy, and CC's soil recipes

Page 2

Intro to Aloe

Intro to Clay

Intro to Compost

Intro to "grow store mythology"
- Soluble Potash

Superthrive debunked

Intro to Alfalfa

ORGANIC MATTER, HUMUS, HUMATE, HUMIC ACID,
FULVIC ACID, AND HUMIN: http://www.calciumproducts.com/articles/Dr._Pettit_Humate.pdf

Page 3

Mountain Rose identified as source for herbs/seeds

Intro to Rock Dust

Dolomite Lime Debunked

Intro to CeC

Cation Exchange Capacity in Soils, Simplified- http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm

Page 4

Dolomite Lime Debunked cont.

Intro to Cal-Mag Lockout Mythology

Calcium and Magnesium- http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/epublic/live/ec155/build/ec155-4.pdf

Page 5

WHAT IS THE USE FOR THE CATION EXCHANGE CAPACITY (CEC) AND THE PERCENT BASE SATURATION ON THE SOIL TEST REPORTS? http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~blpprt/bobweb/BOBWEB23.HTM


Soil Biology and pH by Jeff Lowenfels

Soil Fertility Basics: Interpreting Soil Tests- http://www.seedsofchange.com/digging/soil_tests.aspx

Cation Exchange Capacity – Everything You Want to Know and Much More- http://www.scribd.com/doc/103091751/Clemson-Cation-Exchange-Capacity-Article

Cation exchange capacity- http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/resources/soils/structure/cec

JSTOR - a massive repository of peer-reviewed studies, papers, etc. in several areas besides Biology and Botany.- http://www.jstor.org/


Page 6

P.L. Light Systems

Know your peat

Aloe cont.
- Saponins and Salicylic acid

Intro to leaf litter

Page 7

Gascan's aloe application info and recycling procedures

MM recycle procedures

Intro to sulfur

CeC Q&A

Page 8

Collecting local soil/ Intro to soil strata

Page 9

rrog soil mix

Page 10

Intro to Agsil 16 (Potassium Silicate)
source- https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...age=product_info&cPath=1_60_68&products_id=68

Intro to Kelp Meal

Page 11

Cal Mag Myth cont.

CC quote:

Humic substances and clay will hold Calcium++ ions where they can be exchanged with other cations for uptake by the roots.

That's how humic substances and clay play the role that they do in maintaining the pH (too many free Hydrogen ions without a home to land at)

That's what it always comes down to - quality humus.

Trying to amend one's way to a successful garden is basically an attempt to apply the concepts of hydroponics to soil.

Sulfur's role

Page 12

Intro to CaCO3

Page 13

humic and fulvic acids

Page 14

Aloe sources

Acetic acid discussion

Page 15

Gascan soil amendment ratios

Intro to "praying"

Sourcing local clay

Page 16

Enzyme recipe

Oregyn Stop Sale Program

Page 17

Pictures

Kush Debunked

Page 18

TO

Page 19

NL/Haze breeding discusion

CC's cloning recipe

Page 20

Intro to Short Soak Teas

Page 21

SAR, HAR, triggers, etc.

An Overview of Plant Defenses against Pathogens and Herbivores http://www.apsnet.org/edcenter/intropp/topics/Pages/OverviewOfPlantDiseases.aspx

Page 24

Granite Composition

Page 25

Biological Control of Plant Pathogens- http://www.apsnet.org/edcenter/advanced/topics/Pages/BiologicalControl.aspx

Advanced Nutrients Big Bud DeBunked

Page 26

Albrect vs. Leibig

Atami Bloombastic Debunked

Page 28

CC suggests EWC for rooting medium

Saponins, SAR, and Adaptogens
- Triterpenoids
- Ginseng
- Steroid nucleus saponins
- Yucca
Page 29

Aloe and Yucca

Wild Harvesting
- Nettle
- Yarrow
- Horsetail
Page 30

Leaf Mold

Alfalfa Tea

Dynamic Nutrient Accumulators

CHEMICAL CONSTITUENTS OF ALOE VERA- http://www.herballegacy.com/Baldwin_Chemical.html

Page 31

Lignin

Page 32

Intro to Vermicomposting

Page 33

Yarrow Tea Recipe

-4 cups of loose flowers and add that to 1 gallon of clear water. Let that stand for 2 days and then drain & strain.

- Mix 2 cups of the Yarrow 'tea' with 14 cups of water = 1 gallon

Page 35

Integration of Biological and Fungicidal Alternatives for Controlling Foliar Diseases of Vegetables Under Greenhouse Conditions http://article.sapub.org/10.5923.j.ijaf.20120202.07.html


Page 37

How to Get High on Soil http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/how-to-get-high-on-soil/251935/

How earthworms can help your soil http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/resources/soils/biology/earthworms

http://www.kitazawaseed.com/


Page 48

Epazote

Epic CC quote-
"But what about my Calcium deficiency"

"Shut up you little asshole, the adults are talking now!"

Page 49

Oregon Herb Company Smells Of Success http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129887096

The Oregon Lavender Farm http://libertynatural.com/olf/

Chestnut, Horse http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/c/chehor58.html

Page 51

Mutagenicity and Carcinogenicity Prediction of Compounds from Cardamom (Elettaria cardamom Maton.) http://www.ethnoleaflets.com/leaflets/carcino.htm

Page 52

Efficacy and Persistence of Rosemary Oil as an Acaricide Against
Twospotted Spider Mite (Acari: Tetranychidae) on
Greenhouse Tomato http://www.sierranaturalscience.com/Mite and Rosemary Efficacy.pdf

Page 54

Humic substances biological activity at the plant-soil interface http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001551/

 

[all natural]

This is a recipe I found on the web for making willow tea:

1. Collect a handful of willow branch twigs, preferably the tips of branches where the highest concentrations of IBA and SA are found. Also, don’t use dead branches (most of the IBA has likely leached out).
2. Remove all leaves from the twigs, and cut the twigs into short pieces (if you feel like it).
3. Boil a gallon of water.
4. Put the twigs into a one-gallon jar and pour the hot water into the jar. Seal the jar. You essentially have just made a gallon of willow twig tea.
5. Let the tea cool to room temperature. Make sure to label the jar and write down the brewing date. The tea should be used within two months of brewing.
6. To use for propagated plants (see note on propagation), pour the willow water into a vase or jar, and place fresh plant cuttings in it like flowers in a vase. Or, pour the water directly onto the soil of a potted plant or in your garden bed. Watering cuttings or young plants a couple of times should be sufficient, and within a couple weeks you should notice substantial root growth.

where would one get willow branches from?

 

[shmalphy]

A willow tree, I presume

 

[Neo 420]

where would one get willow branches from?

From this beauty of a beast..


shmalphy
Good shit on the contents. If you could try to edit the future contents onto your original page that would speed finding info up a little. Everybody then like your post (the jump to best post thingy!!) and it will be a snap to come back.

 

[shmalphy]

Yep, that is what I will do, update post 2546, and maybe gascan could edit the OP to add in a link to it or something.

Feel free to PM me with any corrections, or things I missed etc.

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

I got the first 18 pages done so far... It seems to slow down a bit after that, but I will keep going another day, and update this post...

Lots to be learned here, everyone should be taking notes!

Page 1

Gascan, Vonforne, Scrappy, and CC's soil recipes

Page 2

Intro to Aloe

Intro to Clay

Intro to Compost

Intro to "grow store mythology"
- Soluble Potash

Superthrive debunked

Intro to Alfalfa

ORGANIC MATTER, HUMUS, HUMATE, HUMIC ACID,
FULVIC ACID, AND HUMIN: http://www.calciumproducts.com/articles/Dr._Pettit_Humate.pdf

Page 3

Mountain Rose identified as source for herbs/seeds

Intro to Rock Dust

Dolomite Lime Debunked

Intro to CeC

Cation Exchange Capacity in Soils, Simplified- http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm

Page 4

Dolomite Lime Debunked cont.

Intro to Cal-Mag Lockout Mythology

Calcium and Magnesium- http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/epublic/live/ec155/build/ec155-4.pdf

Page 5

WHAT IS THE USE FOR THE CATION EXCHANGE CAPACITY (CEC) AND THE PERCENT BASE SATURATION ON THE SOIL TEST REPORTS? http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~blpprt/bobweb/BOBWEB23.HTM


Soil Biology and pH by Jeff Lowenfels

Soil Fertility Basics: Interpreting Soil Tests- http://www.seedsofchange.com/digging/soil_tests.aspx

Cation Exchange Capacity – Everything You Want to Know and Much More- http://www.scribd.com/doc/103091751/Clemson-Cation-Exchange-Capacity-Article

Cation exchange capacity- http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/resources/soils/structure/cec

JSTOR - a massive repository of peer-reviewed studies, papers, etc. in several areas besides Biology and Botany.- http://www.jstor.org/


Page 6

P.L. Light Systems

Know your peat

Aloe cont.
- Saponins and Salicylic acid

Intro to leaf litter

Page 7

Gascan's aloe application info and recycling procedures

MM recycle procedures

Intro to sulfur

CeC Q&A

Page 8

Collecting local soil/ Intro to soil strata

Page 9

rrog soil mix

Page 10

Intro to Agsil 16 (Potassium Silicate)
source- https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...age=product_info&cPath=1_60_68&products_id=68

Intro to Kelp Meal

Page 11

Cal Mag Myth cont.

Epic CC quote/ aha moment:

Humic substances and clay will hold Calcium++ ions where they can be exchanged with other cations for uptake by the roots.

That's how humic substances and clay play the role that they do in maintaining the pH (too many free Hydrogen ions without a home to land at)

That's what it always comes down to - quality humus.

Trying to amend one's way to a successful garden is basically an attempt to apply the concepts of hydroponics to soil.

Sulfur's role

Page 12

Intro to CaCO3

Page 13

humic and fulvic acids

Page 14

Aloe sources

Acetic acid discussion

Page 15

Gascan soil amendment ratios

Intro to "praying"

Sourcing local clay

Page 16

Enzyme recipe

Oregyn Stop Sale Program

Page 17

Pictures

Kush Debunked

1. This is AWESOME - thank you! Once you have the TOC done, I'm down to make a PDF ebook

 

[shmalphy]

CMG GardenNotes #212
The Living Soil

http://cmg.colostate.edu/gardennotes/212.pdf

 

[ClackamasCootz]

shmalphy

I had forgotten that OSU established a barley research station several years back. Oregon is a large producer of barley for beer and livestock feed. They even have a web site Barley World under the School of Agriculture.

They allow alumni access to their libraries which are separate from the main university library as most of the books and publications are single copies. I planned on heading down there either this week or early next week and I'll call tomorrow and see if a scheduled visit would be better for them so as not to interfere with their activities. I'll see what I can find out.

On the #300 thing I asked you about, I suspect that this is a product number from a malt operation over in Eastern Oregon which supplies a number of micro breweries in the PNW and elsewhere. I remember the gentleman at the home brew store explaining this was a malt powder that has the highest levels of the enzyme brewers want as well as bread bakers (diastatic malt) - Amylase

On the Cascade Hops you mentioned, that is the marketing name for the hops produced in Mt. Angel which is a few miles south of Portland in the valley. They sell to the national companies and have a number of other varieties used by folks like you and micro breweries. About 60% of their production is for export to Europe and Asia. The other area in the PNW that is a major producer is the Yakima Valley in Eastern Oregon (high-desert) and that region's production ends up around the world as well.

The home brew store where I've been talking with offers hop rhizospheres for next to nothing. This plant and in particular the actual flowers contain both bio-pesticide and bio-fungicide compounds and therefore could be used in a botanical tea concoction.

Have you seen photos of hops growing commercially? Probably one of the most interesting method that is used for a major crop. Pretty labor intensive.

CC

 

[all natural]

A willow tree, I presume

LOL do I climb up with a chainsaw? How will I get down?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

wonder if the barley sprout technique could be dual applied to making mash? essentially, the discards from the mash sprouting process would go to the garden

xmobotx

The malt powder used in bread baking is sprouted barley, dried at very low temps (around 200F) and then it's ground into a powder and based on the type of flours used in the dough, a specific percentage is added to break down some of the protein (gluten) into sugars making them available to the yeast and bacteria (LAB from the air, water and flour).

Add too much and you degrade too much of the gluten and it's counterproductive because the gluten is weakened to the point where it cannot trap and hold the CO2 which is how you get holes in bread.

The amount you would add to a commercial mix of 85 lbs. would be less than 1 tablespoon which is why when you buy diastatic malt from a bakery supplier the actual powdered material is mixed with flour so that it only makes up about 20% of the total, i.e. an extremely small amount is actual ground malted barley.

That's completely the opposite of the goals in brewing beer & ales I would imagine. Just a guess - I'm more of a consumer of beer.

CC

 

[lostenspace]

A friend I share clones with found root aphids on a couple of plants in his flower room. Unfotunately for me, I introduced two clones into my garden. They were inspected and quarantined for a month with no problems.
Should I start precautionary measures? I have them in large totes with my recycled soil that is beautiful.
All responses are greatly appreciated.

 

[green planet]

Hi when "cooking your soil" do you pefer to use water and then add aerated tea. (that way the microbes go into an environment that is suited to them) Is it possible that the soil will go anarobic when you add the tea creating an enviroment for pathogens. (especially if you over water the soil ? if you have to much molasses and or if the microbes did not have enough time be consume it by the time you have add it to the soil ? thanks Happy growing

 

[BlueJayWay]

A friend I share clones with found root aphids on a couple of plants in his flower room. Unfotunately for me, I introduced two clones into my garden. They were inspected and quarantined for a month with no problems.
Should I start precautionary measures? I have them in large totes with my recycled soil that is beautiful.
All responses are greatly appreciated.

If the clones from the infected room were rooted in a seperate, uninfected, medium, I really wouldn't worry, myself.

If the medium the rooted clones were given to you are questionable, I may keep an eye out, you stated your recycled soil is beautiful, if that means healthy and well balance then the soil itself will take care of any piggy back aphids and again, i probably wouldn't worry, myself.

Maybe some soil samples and a microscope / hand loop if it's really bothering you?

 

[BlueJayWay]

Hi when "cooking your soil" do you pefer to use water and then add aerated tea. (that way the microbes go into an environment that is suited to them) Is it possible that the soil will go anarobic when you add the tea creating an enviroment for pathogens. (especially if you over water the soil ? if you have to much molasses and or if the microbes did not have enough time be consume it by the time you have add it to the soil ? thanks Happy growing

Teas are great to moisten your cooking soil with, whether new or a recycled batch. Water is fine as well, i use both interchangeably, and without thought really (whatever is handy).

The key is to keep it moist, not wet. "Light", not compacted.

 

[Gascanastan]

LOL do I climb up with a chainsaw? How will I get down?

Go to a river where willow and cottonwood grow. During the growing season.....look on the ground under the trees after a wind. These trees evolved to break off starts that drop in the water which are carried away to start new trees.