List of Recessive Traits

[Guest]

sure you can argue a point as you are.. i wasnt really attacking as this it type
i guess unless theres emoticons there isnt emotion.

kinda like getting attitude from a coupon

 

[Brownpants]

i just looked thru your gallery a bit and alot of the plants have the smae issues the shalum grape kush citrocity and VBS all have th issue
you even labeled a krape kush as having a PH problem. water less too if you can. looks like you keep them all well watered

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

Btw, some of those pics were for stitch a few months ago. Stitch was looking for pics of deficiencies.

Why are you trying to destroy this thread? I never said I was a Perfect grower so why are you getting personal?

 

[Brownpants]

sure you can argue a point as you are.. i wasnt really attacking as this it type
i guess unless theres emoticons there isnt emotion.

kinda like getting attitude from a coupon

Your colours have shined through. I looked at some of your recent posts, you sure don't contribute much, just negativity.

I am going to have to Ignore you now.

-BP-

 

[Guest]

aslas this sensitivity must be due to genetics as most things seem to be. i think my point was rather to sway you from continuing to believe its a haze trait as you seemed to decline hhfs suggestion. If providing evidence to the contrary isnt refute i dont know what is.... If i had the Haze and wanted to know i would ask Hhf

 

[Guest]

eh no need for all that brother....

didnt i just.........



.........i thought i explained this :|

 

[Brownpants]

The mutants found in some Blueberry strains appears to be a recessive trait (imo). This is not based solely on my own experience. There has been reported mutations in the some blueberry strains by other members. The fact that it is uncommon but persistent seems to indicate it is recessive.

Here are some pics of a leaf mutation in a blueberry plant. This leaf mutation appeared in veg and continued in flower mostly on fan leaves. There is some symmetry to the mutated leaves, they seem to appear opposite and alternate of normal fan leaves on the same stem. All clones exhibit the same mutant leaves.











More information might indicate other factors like linkage, co-dominance, incomplete dominance etc... but for now a rough guideline would be valuable....I think.

-BP-

 

[ShroomDr]

it will easily be recognised as MJ there isnt any kind of edge that can come of dizzy or ABC.. I think diff plants strains w/e can have that deformity i dont know if its a genetic deformity or not, i assume it isnt..

heres a little bit from a article about bananas




so i assume these 200 new verieties are like sub species like sativa, indica.. or are the varieties deformitys like the ABC photos?


banana link http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/5a4d4c3ee4d05010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/4.html
not sure how reliable they are*

Great read on Banana's at Wikipedia. The Farcium wilt they encounter; I can relate.


I have spent the better part of an hour looking for the thread with that type of leaf structure. Ive searched 'saudi' and 'iranian' and every thread i posted in. I cannot find it.


Im not sure what you mean with your post. i dont think anyone is trying to make that leaf pattern its own classification, i was just point out that it seems to be a recessive trait.

If it was just some strange leaf pattern found the the Australian outback (i think thats Dizzy's story) then you might be able to entertain its own classification, but that is not what i brought up.

I saw the same leave pattern in a middle eastern strain (although i cannot find the reference) and now here in this thread. Seeing it in 3 different environments leads me to believe that it is in the genetics, and since it is not normally expressed, i think it is resistive.

Not trying to internet argue , just posting my thought process.

Care to clarify your thoughts?

 

[Guest]

my posy w the bannanas i was kinda posing some info an example i was seeking clarification from somone whom enevitably will see this

all i ment was are such "recessive mutations" possibly another sub species forming kinda like the banana (im not eager to call it something and be wrong) in this area i dont know enough to know what i dont know..

 

[TrichomusCaesar]

actually, I'm pretty sure ephedrons strain is closely related to the Dalat line.....very strange leaf/calyx formation

 

[Guest]

Here is an old thread by MAtaco


http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=30963&page=3&pp=15&highlight=freaks

nice pics man of the Oaxacan everyone else too.

i dont think there is any such "landrace" with leaves like dizzy
ill believe it when a handfull of people are growing it

iv heard of a few geting ripped off thinking it is

 

[Brownpants]

This is a wierd plant i had here made seeds.will see next season?
I doubt it will carry through just my 2 cents..











Eph25

Ephedrone25 - Do you have any more pictures of this plant?
Also have you tried selfing it? If the traits for leaf structure are recessive then selfing it would be the best way to carry on the leaf structure, of course all the other traits will be out of whack.

 

[Brownpants]

This paragraph was taken from Robert C Clarke's book Marijuana Botany.

Grown under the same conditions, particularly large and small individuals are easily spotted and selected. Many dwarf Cannabis plants have been reported and dwarfism may be subject to genetic control, as it is in many higher plants, such as dwarf corn and citrus. Cannabis parents selected for large size tend to produce offspring of a larger average size each year. Hybrid crosses between tall (Cannabis sativa-Mexico) strains and short (Cannabis ruderalis-Russia) strains yield F1 offspring of intermediate height (Beutler and der Marderosian 1978).

This appears to be a good example of incomplete dominance or co-dominance.

Tall plants (TT) crossed with tall plants (TT) produce tall plants (TT)

Dwarf Plants (tt) crossed with dwarf plants (tt) produce dwarf plants (tt)

Tall plants (TT) crossed with dwarf plants (tt) produce intermediate sized plants (Tt)

I thought this might be helpful for breeders wanting to produce short stout plants, intermediate sized ones or tall ones. Hybrid vigour does have an effect on this and will probably influence the intermediate sizes some what.

-BP-

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply HHF, If it isn't a trait of hazes then it must have come from the Blueberry Sativa

Hi BP,

No. It is not a genetic trait at all, it is a phenotypical one. Genotype x Environment is Phenotype..It is Phenotypical reaction common in Sativas who are over fertilised, in mediums that are too high in PH, or Ferts, or both. But it is not a recessive or other Genetic trait.

All the best, hhf

 

[acidfire]

Ephedrone25 - Do you have any more pictures of this plant? ...

I dug this up: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=39761

 

[OG bub]

High folks!
first Ill say this Could be a great and productive thread... But we should be grown up enuff, to agree to disagree.. as in genetics breeding in cannabis, so much is unknown, leaving lots of room for theory, if there is room for theory, theres not much room to say "youre wrong", but plenty of room to argue! if we can make our arguements productive, instead of personal, we can learn alot from one another...

now, onto recessive traits:
any trait, that you can observe and can be recorded as recessing thru any given # of resulting progony thru breeding, can be considerd a recessive trait...
think about it..
Phenotypes, all included, are recessive, and can be lost in a breeding prog, not dedicated to that given trait... then can again be reborn aswell on a different note.

Peace, bub.

 

[OG bub]

Hi BP,

No. It is not a genetic trait at all, it is a phenotypical one. Genotype x Environment is Phenotype..It is Phenotypical reaction common in Sativas who are over fertilised, in mediums that are too high in PH, or Ferts, or both. But it is not a recessive or other Genetic trait.

All the best, hhf

High HHF!
first Ill say Ive been noticing some of your posts, and I enjoy them!

a phenotype is an observable variance, due to genetics and enviroment, I agree.
Tho I have myself grown lines that have displayd a form of 'leaf curl' that I could realy almost contribute to genetics, simply due to the # of phenos that displayed this trait in the line overall.
just an observation.

thanks for yer contributions.
Peace, bub.

 

[zamalito]

Maybe its my technique but I believe there's some sativas and indicas that just cannot be grown under artificial lights in small containers without some leaf curl. Artificial lights just don't penetrate enough. You either end up having major deficit or you end up with curl on the more shaded leaves. I've never seen it outside in plants fed with compost teas but indoors with pure blend pro or biobizz I'll see it. Though it almost always goes away with a thorough flushing. I would think it's almost impossible to grow a nute sensitive plant in a 2gallon pot under a 200watt lamp without very noticeable leaf curl but I've never grown a sensitive plant under those conditions so I can't say for certain.

 

[Guest]

High HHF!
first Ill say Ive been noticing some of your posts, and I enjoy them!

a phenotype is an observable variance, due to genetics and enviroment, I agree.
Tho I have myself grown lines that have displayd a form of 'leaf curl' that I could realy almost contribute to genetics, simply due to the # of phenos that displayed this trait in the line overall.
just an observation.

thanks for yer contributions.
Peace, bub.

Hola OGBub,

Thanks and i enjoy your posts too also.

I really see where your coming from, this is something you see in so many Sativas and Sativa doms when pot grown it could indeed be seen almost as a genetic trait. It is something i used to experience frequently myself. But having seen the same plant grown out by others in other locations stop displaying this i put it down to water stresses and now plant lines that always used to do this never do, any of them, so im pretty sure that it is a phenotype expression and not a genetic trait.

If there is any trait there it is in my opinion a genetic weakness for fluctuations in the root area of pot grown Sativa doms, it is a water, ph or fertilisation stress related expression im almost totally sure. But it can be corrected. Equatorials and derivatives like the Hazes, Lumbos, Africans, Thais and hybrids there off are all capable of showing this and frequently do.

All the bests, hhf

 

[Brownpants]

Genotype x Environment is Phenotype..

That is exactly right it is a formula. Genotype x Enviroment = Phenotype

But what happens if you make the environment constant? The phenotype variations seen are the result of variations in genotype.

The thing that I find strange is that none of my Indicas or Sativa/Indica hybrids show this trait and they all have the same soil and water source.
If you consider a plants hardiness the results of it's genetics then isn't a sensitivity to PH a genetic trait, and if it isn't very common it might be recessive. (except if it is in an isolated population then it would be more common).

I don't have much experience with Hazes or very many 100% Sativas for that matter. That is why other growers opinions and observations are so valuable.

 

[indicalover]

The leaf deformities that Brown Pants is talking about show up in quite a few of the pictures in the Highland Oaxacan Gold thread in the D.J. Short forum. My buddy has a blue moonshine that shows very similar leaf formation also.