Legendary Sativa smoke: Three steps

[OldCoolSativa]

I also agree that the best sativas are the longest flowering ones. Every single commercial breeder over the past 40 years has been fucking up the cannabis genome trying to find faster varieties. No wonder nobody can find trip weed any more. This is also why dispensary weed sucks and the high only lasts 20-40 minutes. I always select for long-flowering plants. That's a perfectly valid selection criteria in and of itself, IMO.

 

[olday]

Over the years I have seen some cool examples of people growing 100 plants in a 4x4 tent but in very small containers and all lollipop plants. It's a bit risky because dryout can happen so fast if there is no automation or you vacation etc

That’s what my flowering tent is (4x4) and I’ve started using my blumats in 1 gal fabric pots in veg with fairly good success. It obviously wouldn’t be quite that many but if I can pull off a good success rate with the cloning (basically the first topping and then into the flowering tent) that may be well worth giving it a go. Thank’s for giving me yet more ways to fuck with my grow

 

[romanoweed]

Over the Years, multiple people i asked for honest Anwser about the most legendary Pheno, even one that grew a Strain to F8.
I asked where was the best mindblowing legendary pheno, in Generation1 or Generation8? they all said in Generation 1/low Generation..,, So incase that wasnt clear..

Thats why i describe you prservation as a Technique to keep the power of first Generation upright as good as possible.. Cause your first genration seed might die one day. ?

So, yeah, low generation was likely what i smoked in Europe longer ago. Low generation Thai , alifechanging trip.. So, its also experience of my. Thats why i say, there shouldent be much to improove.. Lowgen is mindblowing, there is no step.. Unless your seed dies after decades..

 

[xet]

Over the years I have seen some cool examples of people growing 100 plants in a 4x4 tent but in very small containers and all lollipop plants. It's a bit risky because dryout can happen so fast if there is no automation or you vacation etc

Are people misinterpreting this as a suggestion for preservation? This is describing a method of how to cull through large numbers for finding.

 

[romanoweed]

hmm .. Read the previous post. In how far do i not justify my Anwsers as an anwser to the topic . There are no "dont speak about breeing" iplications anywhere.. The opposite is the case, one of the "3 Steps" to legendar smoke is "select from 100 plants for 3 Generations" right? That what the Op wrote So it implies breeding.. as a topic of this Discussion.. i guess..

 

[yesum]

I saw it mentioned not long ago, culling hermies. I had this idea years ago and posted it here. Finally see someone read it or came up with the idea on their own. One more thing modern growers do that was not done when legendary smoke was more common. Mind blowing sativas with profound effects. 70's and before.

I have no idea why hermies would affect anything, but you simply can not say it did not. On bottlenecking with romano, I can see that too. In a field with hundreds of plants, likely more than one plant would be saved for seed anyways? So not that strict of genetic isolation or selection. Plus those seeds are producing hundreds or thousands of plants.

 

[elchischas]

yeah, but on the other hand, there are alot anekdotes that see Selection s improovement.

So, its the paring of these "improovement " anekdotes and the title "Legendary sativa". wich lead me to respond.

Imho, legendary sativa is just the original Seed. There is nothing to really improove .

Lets agree on this: There is nothing just good or bad. Everything has some good and bad sides.

And with bottlenecking, the people are eited about a short period of "shining plants". So, one could say the bad side of Bottleniecking is that its a one off, once the shining period, it becomes depressed, and.. sometimes i think thats really where all quiet a few Legends vanished. The people got tricked by a single moment, and they shed word about the "improovement" and how wonderful it is, but i come n, and warn you, its a ONE OFF. it dies after that.. So, lotta peole would probably come back to me and say, Romano, you were right..

So, there are downsides that , plussides. There is no improovement.. Atleast nobody ever reached the power of a real 70s Thai with bottlenecking..
The strongest Tripweed comes from original Seeds, If you agree on that, then the question comes; why is Landrace so strong?

And in my Thread you get hints of Anwsers. And its the topic of 1- inbreeding depression (grow high numbers), 2- the topic of degree of selection (dont select one of a 100, accept the variety, and simply clone the best) , 3- and the topic of enviroment (dont select them in Foreign Climate).
thats how you create LEGENDARY Sativa. Thats basically Landrace . Landrace is the most powerful Smoke ever in existence (atlest on absolutely same level as the most insane Hybrids there are).
Landrace-style breeding has prooven. Selected But Landraces bottlenecked to half uniform Apperance.. Meh,, for me its nothing.

So imho my post is on topic.. Its about the strongest weed on earth, and how its done. The death of Landraces was just a sidenote, and a scream and appeal for intelligence. yes we could have the legendary potency and the preservation bouth in one, if we follow my Tips. IMHO, PEace, let me be. by
Yes, i AM speaking about ultimate potency.. And it has to do with softer Selection.. Big numbers or not,, leads to similar results.. (similar better then bottlenecked)

you are totally right brother, I would only like to add that the elements that make up the environment that surrounds the landraces make them have their own character
even the idiosyncrasy of the people who cultivate and select them for generations adds that character that makes them be
in all these years things have changed towards the capitalist model, they only talk about a lot of THC, the more THC they have, the better they say
The old landraces that I had the opportunity to try were really just as good as the hybrid varieties that they currently sell, speaking of potency, but if we talk about the type of high they gave, it was much better before, marijuana that generally made you want to move, laugh and love life
That's why I like to think that each landrace variety represents the way of being of the people who have bred it. When I try work from people with whom I exchange, I know that a part of the way they sees life is implicit in the seed itself, everyone of us select thinking that is the best way to do.

 

[Digger102]

Good to see you Huesos! Hope all is well!!

 

[StickyBandit]

Regarding step one. Does anyone know where exactly I might procure some such seeds that ships to New Zealand and takes BTC? Something trippy perhaps
I suppose there are offerings from Ace like OTH? That looks pretty good but I'm not experienced with these types of strains
Cheers
Sticky

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Anything you find available from Ace, I'm sure you'll find very informative threads on it in the Ace forum here. Amaaazing plants, genetics, growers and information.

 

[Lebanizer]

Regarding step one. Does anyone know where exactly I might procure some such seeds that ships to New Zealand and takes BTC? Something trippy perhaps
I suppose there are offerings from Ace like OTH? That looks pretty good but I'm not experienced with these types of strains
Cheers
Sticky

ACE and The REAL SEED COMPANY are a good place to start. MANDALA seeds is also good (lots of landrace based genetics). You should be looking for "tropical" lines, eg Haze, South East Asia, Kerala (tropical India), South American lines esp. Colombian lines, and also African lines. Himalayan lines (Nepal and Himachal Pradesh) are also quite good. Oh yeah and the TROPICAL SEED COMPANY is also good (esp for African lines). I understand you are not experienced with those lines but then, now is the time to explore smething new One CAVEAT though : in the cas of RSC, what you get is a pure unworked line while the others have already undergone some form of selection.

PS:
French Touch seeds also have cool genetics from La Reunion island. Pick the landraces only.

 

[RobFromTX]

Anything you find available from Ace, I'm sure you'll find very informative threads on it in the Ace forum here. Amaaazing plants, genetics, growers and information.

yeah Ace is a great seed bank. And dubis far more engaging than any other breeder out there. Its a preservation mission for him much more than a seed business

 

[unnamedmike]

Cryptic labs have some lovely oldschool sativas. Im currently growing demon latcher, and shes the last showing pre flowers, while my others plant are already flowering, even panama74. The pics i saw from other CS plants are greats.

 

[revegeta666]

yeah Ace is a great seed bank. And dubis far more engaging than any other breeder out there. Its a preservation mission for him much more than a seed business

Sorry but it is definitely a business first and foremost, preservation far from being the main goal.

 

[goingrey]

Sorry but it is definitely a business first and foremost, preservation far from being the main goal.

Come on bro ACE has many pure lines in their catalogue some of them interesting to me and some not but all much appreciated. Yeah it's a business and not some kind of charity, good.

 

[RobFromTX]

Come on bro ACE has many pure lines in their catalogue some of them interesting to me and some not but all much appreciated. Yeah it's a business and not some kind of charity, good.

I never said it was a charity. But I would imagine most people like Dubi and the guy at TRSC just appreciate the fact that their preserving genetics through their seed business. A little less business for profit. I mean i miss that mexican brickweed with the mild buzz and landraces are as close as i can get. All i can say is I'll appreciate their business down the road when weeds so jacked up it looks like rock candy

 

[Lebanizer]

Let's just say that's it's a business with all the financial constraints and implications yet still based on a preservationist ethos.

 

[revegeta666]

I never said it was a charity. But I would imagine most people like Dubi and the guy at TRSC just appreciate the fact that their preserving genetics through their seed business. A little less business for profit. I mean i miss that mexican brickweed with the mild buzz and landraces are as close as i can get. All i can say is I'll appreciate their business down the road when weeds so jacked up it looks like rock candy

Sure, I don't enjoy modern weed either. I actually like this company because it has been helpful for me to find my path in terms of discovering which genetics I prefer, and start looking around for them.

They do their part in preserving genetics but a company like this is not what would come to my mind when I think of preservation. I think the real work in this field is done more in private circles than commercial companies who do have economic interests. That's all.

 

[StickyBandit]

Anything you find available from Ace, I'm sure you'll find very informative threads on it in the Ace forum here. Amaaazing plants, genetics, growers and information.

Yes, I have read much of the info in the forums and purchased a few to try. I'm looking to bypass the guesswork and go straight to a "little gem" that someone has done all the testing for me
I have a few seeds but probably not quite on the right track
Panama Haze reg
Super Malawi Haze reg
Malawi x PCK reg
Malawi x Panama reg
Malawi reg
Panama Haze fem
Killer A5 Haze fem
Zamaldelica fem
Kali China fem
Bangi Haze reg
Karel's Haze reg
Satori reg
etc
I don't mind if it takes a while to grow but I want to know what all the fuss is about

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I dont think the potent old sticklines were done with soft selection in fields the way that plants used for hash were done.... They actually had breeders who specifically made seed.... These guys had experience an were different to the growers.... They weren't making the proper seed for the potent thais used in the sticks ect in huge fields with 5000 males an 100000 females..They were actually doing it smaller an knew how to sellect the best males with certain traits to spin out certain fine tuned potent lines.. An could select the females with traits they wanted, everything else was cut...Its a art that was lost an eradicated.. Then what happens you now have these thais with alsorts mixed in hermies an all... An now a huge huge task of trying to undo that, if its even possible now...or trying to pull out the good