Legendary Sativa smoke: Three steps

[Douglas.Curtis]

I want to run zamaldelica myself, but any of those would be great for a first. Feed lightly...

 

[romanoweed]

I aknowledge your Thoughts Darkstorm, and i infact dont know the Degree of Selection in the legendary Landraces .

However, if they were to just do 1/1 matings, THEN they would become depressed.. Ive seen western breeds depressed.. Ive never seen Thai so depressed as western breeds.. Thats a vague guess from the Look of old Thai -

I also think they didnt grow 2000 plants at once. I have one anektote from vietnam from en elder quote we used to sometoimes do a pollination on a lonely hill quote

The author of thaisticknbook : quote they often used a couple tiny males to slightly dust some Females quote.

The first anektote sounds like a bigger amount, the secound like a small garden. Infact the Thais grew FEW plants in each garden.. Thats how they grew their own (homegrown)

And thats the critical point.. MANY Thai Families grew a few plants.. And the Seedspots (i dont know were they seeded the Plants) may have been even rarer..
However.. There is also Trade, i mean regional, and i still think it must have been 1000s of Parental Plants interpollinating, interchanging in a region.. Its literally a must..
That also explains the variety.. How you paint it its just a Family Line with no outside Contact inbreed in a garden. It would be pretty stable i guess, if you say, they selected on top of that for a certain Trait (Mango Terp, Black Colors or what)..

And ive heard some light anektotes that Eleders really passed on "selection Criteria"..

I say. you just mistake what the westener finds.. He finds a Family with plants in their garden.. They say we select for this, and that, and thats it.. But the pollen exchanges.. And if pollen makes it fromm one to the other family, it even comes from a slightly varying Climate.. That means a very complexe Difference in Genetics, means your Mutations wich are the "explonation " for Inbreeding depression get erased even faster .

So, yeah, i agree, they did probably not grow 2000 plants a year in one spot.. IT would be insecurity ultra plus.. Once they loose this spot, they loose it all.. Cannabis by by. No, they exchanged the seeds from time to time, as gift, like we gift wine at literally every Familymeeting, thats a relict of those old times.. You share Wealth, Fruits, and Seeds. Ive seen this happening here, grannies echanging old Brocolli Strains, ive seen it.. ITs THE most normal thing in the world.. Edit, it WAS the most normal thing.. You have to see it with eyes, and you KNOW this was pre-industrialisations daily routine. Thats all im gonna say.. you have to see it with eyes, and you know how selfexplanatory this is.

 

[romanoweed]

ive just read yesterday, that they tested the amount of inbreedingdepression island versus a bigger Landscape.. and they detected the depression on the islands measured plants.. (other species)

 

[romanoweed]

They might have culled in a frequency anwhere from 1 of 10 Plants, to 9 of 10 Plants. But i tend to think not more than 5/10 Plants were culled, as even breeders select varios Traits, not just poteny phenos.

I conclude like that: im also astonished why the landraces arent totally depressed, in my theory there should be a certain population (100 Keeper Plants?), but it cant explain the degree vigor that i see in a landrace. But acording scince there must be either a big population.. Or far outcrossing..?

 

[romanoweed]

The anwser is probably: you would be hell astonished, how exact some Practises were that etablished over centuries.. You just cant imagine collective intelligences adavances.. You underestimate it. And they probably really encountered inbreding depro one day, and instinctively thought, we need to grow bigger fields.. Collective, progressive Intelligence.. And thats probably what i even heard about in the Vietnams Anektote..
Puh.

just watched a video about a Thailand Island Tribe. There was a Tsunami there wich destroyed alot coastlines houses on Mainland.. The Goverment anxiously sent boats to the isolated Isle Tribe.. They were expected dead and fucked.. They all came from the mountains, cause they could see or hear the flud coming they explained.. Mindblowing.. we cant.. Collective intelligence of Tradition? Im not "pro Tribe" or Romantic in this regard.. not shure if thats true story.. but kind of like collective intelligence works. Trial and error for 10000s years-

Sorry i should just stop talking,, im totally indreams

 

[goingrey]

It's easy to think that because it was legal of course they were growing thousands and thousands of plants...

But even now most farms in the world are small, and even more so in the past.

If you've got one acre of land, and you're also growing your food there, and your growing ganja not machine harvested hemp, how many plants is that? Tens, hundreds at most, I bet. For sure not thousands.

 

[romanoweed]

from wher do you have such anekdotes of family with a few plants @goingrey ? whats your source ? Is this Anekdote coupled with the strongest weed-in a lifetime.. i mean are we talking of what? Thai ? Mindlblowing Thai? Afghani? Modern , old

Oh today . i dont value any modern Days Anekdotes as much , cause i dont think weed is still the same... Agriculture
The whole Agricultural Landscape changed. Today its agriculture, in the past they grew less, better, more for themselve or the community, today they sell

 

[goingrey]

from wher do you have such anekdotes of family with a few plants @goingrey ? whats your source ? Is this Anekdote coupled with the strongest weed-in a lifetime.. i mean are we talking of what? Thai ? Mindlblowing Thai? Afghani? Modern , old

Oh today . i dont value any modern Days Anekdotes as much , cause i dont think weed is still the same.

It's just plain logic not any anecdote.

For example in India, over 60% of farms are under one acre.

So these corporate mega farm sized fields of tripweed somewhere, are they realistic, or a stoner dream?

 

[romanoweed]

I said, in my "Immagination" it were either 1) small Grows, but seeds exchanged regionally, annually, at Relatives-Meetings and Ceremonies.. or 2) Communal Grows.. with larger grows at one Spot.. But also there exchange Regionally..

But i clearly labbeled it as my Immagination..
And listed the hints like Anekdotes,.. Not just Imagination. I spent energyy to get such Anekdotes, just still emailing with the Thaistickbook guy..
I still am so softspoken that i dont present it as fact. So we bouth have not much.. We dont know the rate of seedexchange, right?

If you select haze, and exchange hazeseeds with another grower, you expanded your selection, and reduced inbreeding depression if thats done with hundrets people. Logic aswell..

This Tribe is very close related to the Tribe that grew Tripweed (farming Methods described):

 

[goingrey]

I said, in my "Immagination" it were wether 1) small Grows, but seeds exchanged regionally, annually, at Relatives-Meetings and Ceremonies.. or 2) Communal Grows.. with larger grows at one Spot.. But also there exchange Regionally..

But i clearly labbeled it as my Immagination..
And listed the hints like Anekdotes,.. Not just Imagination. I spent energyy to get such Anekdotes, just still emailing with the Tahistickbook guy..
I still am so softspoken that i dont present it as fact. So we bouth have not much.. We dont know the rate of seedechange, right?

If you select haze, and exchange hazeseeds with another grower, you expanded your selection, and reduced inbreeding depression if thats done with hundrets people. Logic aswell..

This Tribe is very close related (100km appart from) to the Tribe that grew Tripweed (farming Methods described):

Nice video. Slash and burn farming it seems.

Are you in contact with Peter Maguire or Mike Ritter?

 

[Finepointcanon]

I dont think the potent old sticklines were done with soft selection in fields the way that plants used for hash were done.... They actually had breeders who specifically made seed.... These guys had experience an were different to the growers.... They weren't making the proper seed for the potent thais used in the sticks ect in huge fields with 5000 males an 100000 females..They were actually doing it smaller an knew how to sellect the best males with certain traits to spin out certain fine tuned potent lines.. An could select the females with traits they wanted, everything else was cut...Its a art that was lost an eradicated.. Then what happens you now have these thais with alsorts mixed in hermies an all... An now a huge huge task of trying to undo that, if its even possible now...or trying to pull out the good

It's still alive and well over in Laos by the look (smell/taste/smoke) of things.