LED and BUD QUALITY

[greyfader]

well, folks, it's been fun but i will be dropping out of the conversation for an indeterminate period of time, because, as of today, i am moving into the new house and won't have internet access there for a while.

ya'll have a good 'un!

 

[Crooked8]

Your ramblings about evolution have been proven wrong many times prawn, don't hold to a dying faith, evolution is a lie.
Environment will influence your dna and traits again to a degree, which is very small degree.
Billions of years you say ? Funny, we still look and have the same limbs, nothing changed, still 5 fingers not 4 or 6, in siberia and in the hottest desert, so no, environment won't change you or evolve you, you are born with what you are born, and that's it, your skin will be black if you hang out in africa all day, but it's still skin ! Like everyone else.

Environment can't make genetics good or worse, it's not environment to decide, it's the seed itself and his heritage.
Sure, I agree, in different conditions you will see slight variation, but a kush strain won't be berry all of sudden in different environment, this is just silly.


The only way is the smoke them, it won't matter how able are you, if it's good it will be good even if you mess it up (the smoke)

It makes, if you have something good, if it's shit no curing will help, so you cure for a month so the shit will be less shit ? Nice.

Too much light is a myth, in nature this phenoma is non existent, only in tents where heat burns plants and people think it's the light haha, I work with cool tubes and put them sometimes 1 inch from the plants, no burning, weird !

Really ? So all this time people grew in hps bulbs winning cups pulling dank is no good indeed, gotta have spectrum...

The more it should suggest to you that spectrum don't mean anything, if it did, I would prefer led weed cause it would have been better, but I'm not seeing it, but I have patience.

Sure there is, I just don't think it's for better.
Like I said, there was a difference between hydro and outdoor back then, but you can feel the difference is better, in led weed I feel it's for worse.
But again, I haven't smoked a verified elite clone under leds, so maybe I just smoked shit that was shit also under HIDs, who knows.
That's why I don't get into this debate too much, it's not the lights, it's the genetics solely.

Denying evolutions existence is not going to go over well in this rather scientific analytical thread. There is just so much out there to prove evolution is not theory but factual. Evolution is very very real, why do you think people make new flu vaccines annually? Why do we see pesticide resistance grow in insects? Also…..fossils dude, they prove it without a doubt.

Genetics play a huge role, of course, but environment is massively important. When i test genetics i throw them in an nft bucket outside of our flood trays so i can remove them if there are males or herms. They never do as well in those buckets off to the side with less intense light and less accurate feed/irrigation. Ive had plants where the tester seemed barely promising to then put another plant in an actual tray later to find out its absurdly dank. This is why when we run a tester we always do the stable females at least twice to give them a fair shot.

All those cups won with hps were when there was no alternative option, thats not a fair comparison at all. Having grown with HPS for over 18 years I can confidently say LED when tuned correctly just blows HPS out of the water. Throwing some mediocre light up, not checking all your cardinal parameters and having one or two bad runs is hardly worth even calling an attempt at LED use.

Spectrum is proven with data to impact yield, cannabinoid content and ESPECIALLY morphology. There are really well made videos to show this.

 

[Crooked8]

well, folks, it's been fun but i will be dropping out of the conversation for an indeterminate period of time, because, as of today, i am moving into the new house and won't have internet access there for a while.

ya'll have a good 'un!

Good luck buddy!

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Joined two weeks ago... eight messages... wonder whose sock puppet you are?

"...evolution is a lie..."

Looks like we're dealing with a real scientist here, going to add a whole lot of insightful information to the thread, no doubt.

I've read the thread, you seem to not add anything yet, so what you blabbing about sir ?
Funny kid, don't jump the gun

i think he needs to do a little reading.

key words; "epigenetic drift" a change in genetic expression in a human observable time frame. i have experienced it when growing one cut for a long time. like 7 years.

and;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669021001151#:~:text=Exposure%20to%20a%20wide%20(white,will%20impact%20the%20cannabinoid%20profile.

and:

"Really ? So all this time people grew in hps bulbs winning cups pulling dank is no good indeed, gotta have spectrum..."

he seems to have missed the fact that a cannabis cup held during a time when there were no alternatives will always produce a winner from the hps sources of light.

You seemed to missed the key difference here, spectrum in the sky or indoor which was always better, so, conclusion ?
More light, more good, spectrum no matter, no matter how long you've been registered here or how old ya are, there's plenty of 70+ year old stupid people I know, age don't change shit, don't rely on your registration time for anything, just makes you look silly.

and:

"evolution is a lie." especially in his case!

and:

i can find no references to "trifektaseeds" anywhere but here in the last 8-10 posts.

looks like we have another troll!

Wow, he can't find a reference, bummer man..
Instead of digging into personal users like you seem to love to do, what about some facts ? Or keep queting me I do feel special when people troll me and call me troll

 

[Hammerhead]

Small environmental changes will not quickly alter it. Big environmental changes affect evaluation much faster on a bigger scale.

Plants will def change how they express due to their environment.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Find better breeders if you have only found the best from 1. Hype and popularity don't mean they're good at breeding. Most breeders follow the same path as everyone else. Look for those who lead and do not follow. Look for those that aren't in it for $$. When looking at a seed menu, all you see is hype x hype. find someone else.

we have bought from serious,sensi,reeferman (15yrs ago) , rez(same time period) , mandela, nirvana (where we found the jock horror 'gem') , ace , karma, sammy, mr nice ,paradise, and numerous others... so maybe its the grower (me) ....

 

[NorCalSkunkLord]

To put some light on this for those less familiar

Leaving the carotinoid system under powered. Which is the regulatory system.

Other graphs show the peak between the Chl~ ones

Others straddle the Chl-b peak

I suspect the activity being mapped here, is carotene production.

So that's why Zamaldeleca sucks under led, smells like chewing gum instead of carrot. I've been hating on the breeder while it's my fault, for believing the led hype train?

 

[CannaT]

My thinking about led is if you have 100 sealed room or live in warm place on air coled room go for it. But its neded to add IR and UV diodes only "full spectrum" want work no mather what.
If you have classic air coled box,room...in temperate/cold climate go with Hids. Led is no sense.

Anyway I dialed completly led plants or at least very succesfull in last few years have near perfect grows with it...and it lack in terps always compared to hids...Im not to much expert on terps but those I call sulphure compounds. Which I talked many posts here and in other threads.
This probably is result of to intense light and high amount of IR...cuz outdoors plant have those terps also very,very high.
(When we talk about the same cutting/cultivar)

Also with leds model of leds play big difference in quality of growth cuz its human made sun or light source in new way. More artifical than lightings from past.

I dint grew under high IR UV led like crooked grow.
If you see his wall colour spectrum it pink just as is mine when I mix more "veg" led boards with higher K with HPS.
So it also need to be taken in account.

Nothing is better,but rather different.
If you judge fish on its ability to climb on a tree....

 

[Hammerhead]

IMO I think an LED/HID mix is best. I don't see any large commercial grows using only HID anymore. There are some smaller commercial still using HID rooms. They do use LED in some areas.

If you prefer HID use it. If you prefer LED use that. I dont care what light people think is best. Grow the best weed you can that's all that matters.

 

[dogzter]

I thought bringing up hids was frowned upon in this thread?







Or is only when hids are brought up by people who disagree with you?

 

[Crooked8]

I thought bringing up hids was frowned upon in this thread?







Or is only when hids are brought up by people who disagree with you?

Im down to discuss the comparison. I never argued the idea. This is the led and bud quality thread but i dont see why referring to results from alternative lighting is any issue. I find it valuable. If theres a point to be made here that involves Hid im happy to compare it.

 

[CocoNut 420]

For lots of us hid is part of our journey so they're naturally going to come up in conversation, I still use hid, my current crop was in part grown under hid I can't just omit that.

Getting back to led bud quality ;-)

 

[Fuel]

radiant lights VS directional ones by example ? ^^
I'mbaked a bit but i dream to taste a weed grown under laser or optic fiber lol

 

[Hammerhead]

Malawi Gold x Grinspoon

 

[Prawn Connery]

Your ramblings about evolution have been proven wrong many times prawn, don't hold to a dying faith, evolution is a lie.

Sorry mate, I read this far into your post and stopped reading.

If you don't believe in evolution, then we can't have a conversation.

You're entitled to your beliefs, but they are so far removed from mine that I doubt we will find any common ground.

 

[Prawn Connery]

regular old mh for flowering has entered the chat

MH doesn't produce the yields but it does produce the quality. Back in the day, I mixed MH with HPS at a ratio of 1:2 as did a lot of other old-skool growers. We used MH for the UVA, violet and blue light.

 

[Prawn Connery]

I thought bringing up hids was frowned upon in this thread?







Or is only when hids are brought up by people who disagree with you?

Not at all dude. Think of it as a discussion comparing electric cars to fossil burners which we just know are going extinct. We all know electric cars are cleaner, faster, quieter, more efficient . . . but I fucking love my 1971 Mopar musclecar and I will never sell it! It's dirty, loud, fast and costs a motza to run, but they don't make em like that anymore!

However, ahem, lately I've been thinking of putting 1kW electric engine in it and filling the trunk full of lithium batteries. 1kW is 1333 horsepower with a linear torque curve. It's hard to argue with that. Just like it's hard to argue with the results I get under LED compared to HPS.

Just sayin'

 

[exoticrobotic]

I dunno...

Sht is hilarious

Are those shouting daily from the rooftops, @Crooked8 @Prawn Connery actually selling any of these sht ht amazing led lights many people are yet to witness?

Soon come eh

 

[Crooked8]

I dunno...

Sht is hilarious

Are those shouting daily from the rooftops, @Crooked8 @Prawn Connery actually selling any of these sht ht amazing led lights many people are yet to witness?

Soon come eh

Im confused….
But i dont sell lights so not sure if thats what you mean.

 

[exoticrobotic]

Im confused….
But i dont sell lights so not sure if thats what you mean.

Which ones do you use?