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Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Ok, my method is pretty simple, you could probably get better results with more effort, espeically if employing longer than average veg times.

My rooted clones are stuck into 4" pots of coco/perlite 9Botanicare Readygro Aeration mix) and put under T-5 fixtures. They arewatered along with the plants in veg, which oddly enough, doesn't burn them. In fact, the small plants seem hungrier! They do probably get more water overall then veg so that contributes to the lighter leaf colors.

After 3-6 weeks of this (longer than it should be, but I take way more plants than I need so I get to select the best of the best.) the plants get transplanted into 2 gallon pots of the same Botamicare coco mix, and put into the main veg room with 2 1KW MH bare bulbs. The room is tiered to maximize the footprint like a short stadium. The plants stay in here for 4-5 weeks on average. Diring this time they will go from 1 to 3 feet tall.

I don't really prune in veg, though I'm thinking of starting. For efficiencys sake, I transplant into 5g smartpots of the same mix and put them into flower on the same night. A few days later I go in and take tons of clones off the newly flipped plants, before they have a chance to grow buds The flowering nutes really do help with my stick rates.

After I have all the clones I want, I have a worker come in a few days later to prune.

Generally speaking, we clear off the main stem of all branches on the bottom third of the plant. If it's a small plant it will get less than this ratio, if a very large plant it will have more (up to about half the plant can be stripped.)

I try to keep the total number of budsites in mind, as well as airflow and light penetration. Very bushy plants will need to have the inside of the canopy thinned, so branches will often have 75% of their "inside" leaves and stems removed. This leaves a long skinny branch with 1-4 nodes on the end. If too tall, plants are topped (supercropped) but I try to avoid overpruning as it does reduce yields.

Those are my rough guidelines, but every plant is different. Each strain will need special consideration, but I judge from my last harvest if that strain had too much popcorn or not. If it did, prune more! If it was just right, prune the same. if the yield went to shit, prune less! :)
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Oh, I will try to shoot a video for you guys tomorrow night, I made a new youtube account just for this, so I will post a link once I have it up and working. Stay tuned, it might have to be broken into several videos, there are 5 rooms to show!
 

AOD2012

I have the key, now i need to find the lock..
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been a while since i posted in the thread, but ive been watching! just wanted to say thanks for giving me inspiration and know how lazy, currently just finished setting up a 6000 watt room, and you have helped me get to this point. not a lot compared to yours, but going from two 600s to ten is a big step. thanks again lazy, and once my clones get up to speed, hopefully ill be able to share it with ya. props bro.


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SkizOflan

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So you're vegging for almost 2 months before the flip.. AND you say that you don't do any pruning/training/topping?

I'm curious what you're feeding them to keep them so manageable for that long of a time. Usually from the time i pot my clones in 6" pots of coco they take about 2 weeks to become super bushy with multiple tops, and at most 3-4 weeks; otherwise they just get waaaay too big to keep in the veg room and well beyond the height i prefer to flower.

Seriously, 6-8 weeks of veg sounds like they are either moving at a snails pace, or you are doing some serious pruning to keep them in check..

Your plant's just grow out all bushy and well-rounded without ANY help? I'm just trying to make sense of all the details here, and want to understand why you cant move them thru the process quicker as it would save you space, and ultimately reduce your plant count ;)
 

SkizOflan

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p.s.

my buddy 'sublbc' has a bunch of incredible video series up on youtube to all those interested in video tutorials. He covers everything from cloning to harvesting, and gives daily updates on his current and past projects. Anyone out there who wants to take their IC curriculum to the next level, check him out!

Lazy, it's gonna be hard to compete but i welcome your first video congrats!


(http://www.youtube.com/user/sublbc?blend=1&ob=5)
 

Rednick

One day you will have to answer to the children of
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Seriously, 6-8 weeks of veg sounds like they are either moving at a snails pace, or you are doing some serious pruning to keep them in check..
Genetics Matter
Strains/Phenotypes
Environment (notably temp)
Lighting (T-5 vs MH)
One can also use hormones.
:blowbubbles:
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Well shit, i took an 8 min vid, 536mb, and i keep getting an error that i cant upload a vid bigger than 1gb. Wtf? I will have to do it again in sections, sorry for the wait fellas!
 

SkizOflan

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I was hoping for an answer from lazy.. but while we're on the subject.

(Rednick) - I can see how you might think that genetics and environment are the primary factors affecting plant growth, but I believe that the most important variables are the gardener and his nutrients - assuming the environment is more or less within the accepted guidelines.

Currently I have seen identical results among 9 different strains using my basic veg mix (cutting edge 3-part base, spuerthrive, liquid karma) and all have responded almost identically. They went from baby clones to 3ft bush monsters in just 3 weeks, i'll post pics to prove it if you don't believe me.

I would still like to hear lazy's perspective on this topic.. good luck with those videos bud, why don't you just post on youtube? IC was clearly not designed for videos..
 

Lazyman

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Hey Skiz, sorrry I missed your posts earlier, that's correct no pruning whatsoever in veg or preveg. My biggest limiting factor in veg is cooling, which restricts my light. I only have 2KW lighting the main veg room (it should be at least 3kw, but I'm planning on 4KW once I have AC.) Preveg could use another light too, BUT, any changes WILL make the plants grow very large, so pruning in veg would become necessary, as would lower plant counts etc. I actually get the best results with the biggest plants, the yields are often over a half pound per plant on the biggest ones. Every plant is in the same coco mix, and all are well-fed, so it's not nutes, but rather low lighting levels in veg. You really only need about 25wpsf in veg, but I make do with about half that and it's working ok. After about 8 weeks the plants are typically about 36-48" tall, so they finish around 5-6' tall when they finish the stretch. I try to fit at least 7-8 of these around each light in a ring, smallest plants on the inside, big monsters on the outside. I sprinkle a few very large moms near the very center of the room for best effect, they are basically in between about 4 lights each. These are the biggest and best-yielding plants in the garden!

Hehe just got 5 phenos of Deadhead OG Kush to play with tonight, it's SFV OG Kush X pre-'91 ChemDawg. I can't wait to run it! Both of those strains (particularly the ChemDawg) have treated me very well in the past. Night folks!
 

Rednick

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(Rednick) - I can see how you might think that genetics and environment are the primary factors affecting plant growth, but I believe that the most important variables are the gardener and his nutrients - assuming the environment is more or less within the accepted guidelines.
How dare you disagree with me:hotbounce
Whatever floats your boat man, just my 2 cents.
I guess I should just stop separating Phenos because there is no difference in the end. Thanks, this should save me a lot of time.

Currently I have seen identical results among 9 different strains
Then I would say you have 9 identical strains as far as growth goes. Every single strain I have gets the same medium, same nutes, and same neglect...they all grow differently.
The list wasn't meant to be in order of importance, but yes I do believe the single biggest factor is GENETICS...It is the primary factor to which all the others are secondary.
:blowbubbles:
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Well I got antsy for some more popular genetics today, and went and picked up some fresh blood. I've grown all of these at some point in the past:

4 x AK-47 (first strain I ever grew, from seed, a powerhouse high.)
4 x Bubba Kush, did this 6 yrs ago, cant wait to see her again.
4 x Sour Diesel, another popular one I've run many times with success
10 OG Kush, dont know the cut, but most folks arent that picky

Put em all in 4" pots of coco, boy my preveg room looks stupid right now. I have enough for probably 14 crops, lol, lots of new moms to be too! Also did a couple foliar sprays (the lateflowering crops only get nutes, Serenade and Greencure.
 

nameless

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what ever happened to that video lazy did you put it up on here or on youtube? id have to say you have one of the more ridiculous harems on here, nice additions. would like to see you run some gigantor BKs!
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Ok, I got the videos re-shot, and are uploading to youtube as we speak. I'm a total newb at uploading and shooting vids, and had no idea that these vids would appear sideways, stupid phone doesn't mention that. Anyway, I'm not reshooting these anytime real soon (it always looks pretty much the same) so, I dunno, turn your laptop/phone/monitor sideways? LOL! Sorry gang! I will do better in the future. I hope these give you a good idea of the room at least.

Veg room and pre-veg room tours http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SqRe07BBwA
Airlock tour (boring) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFECngP8Re0
Flower row 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0RRxeYMqdI
Flower row 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvbPEGjWDO8
Flower row 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4YQzEaHO_8
Flower row 4 (with room pan and shot of drying room) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rueVh9TBPNU
How I run Blumats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AsCHtPmEBA
Electrical System quick vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB7Ea5wppRA
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
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Hey my neck is bent like that so I don't hit my fuckin head in there all the time! lol

The first time I shot a vid in there, I banged my head in less than a minute on camera. Too funny!
 

Strainhunter

Tropical Outcast
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.......l

The first time I shot a vid in there, I banged my head in less than a minute on camera. Too funny!


I am gonna get you one of the these:

head-hear-helmet.jpg
 

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