Las Vegas

[packerfan79]

Fuk that , guns are security n I want my security in my hands... ppl are gonna get guns to commit crimes regardless of the law so why take my guns away so I can't shoot the sob when trespassing on my property . Banning guns ain't gonna do shit but make it easier for ppl with them to take advantage . Thieves, cops all the same ... The 2nd amendment is what makes America great... they can make whatever laws they want but I'm gonna stay safe... just like when I was in ny I'll do the 5 yrs for the pistol no problem much better then option 2 not having it n needing it..it could be a death sentence not having it...
Gypsy said it perfectly. Conspiracy maybe but no lie the gun makers are getting paid...

I gave to say I am so sick of people acting like the gun lobby, or wall street, or whoever getting rich is a bad thing. I want to be Rich someday , I gave never met a person who said I want to be poor. The problem is that you will have to pay the government to make that big money. This is why politicians all have big money around. Crony capitalism. Let the market work and the best products will result. The market will only pay what a person's experience and value to a company . If a gun manufacturer makes millions of dollars and sees fit to pay a high performing executive millions good for him.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Don't forget the media. They also benefit greatly.

They are also the ones feeding these people's minds with the idea of how they can become famous.

I think these people feel invisible and hate humanity for it. I think guns are used because their sick minds where fed the idea. There are many ways to kill large amounts of people if you think about it.

I think these mass shooting s are a manifestation of the television and media ability to manipulate disturbed minds.



The end goal is to get people to voluntarily give up their guns in the name of "security"

Good point Water.....but I thought that the aim of getting famous or infamous was to be able to bask in the public's adoration or abhorration whilst still living.

Stephen Paddock is very dead now, and if he was the shooter (as claimed) in Vegas, he would have known that what he did would have the worlds attention, got the international and domestic news services pumping, and sent shock-waves around the globe.

Because of the sensationalistic coverage of such an event by the worlds media, it may well have planted a seed in many disturbed minds to one day try and upstage this tragic event by creating an even worse scenario in the not too distant future, so forming a kind of psychotic, murderous oneupmanship competition amongst the severely deranged.

Many of Paddock's victims were/are most probably gun owners themselves, but having a gun doesn't stop you being shot at, or even enable you to defend yourself in a situation such as this. (unless you have a 2000 ft wide situational awareness and carry around a sniper rifle constantly)

 

[DocTim420]

G `day DT

New Zealand and Australia are younger as nations .
Guns ; not a problem . Used for scaring people , rarely ever discharged .

Age of the nation is no excuse .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Hmmm, both New Zealand & Australia were once "British Colonies" long before the Union Jack was raised in the "New World". And, like all Brit Colonies, they always acquiesced to Brit Law--just like we did until 1776.

And each is not without is "black eye". These two incidents (from Wiki) are the instigators for their "gun control".

The Aramoana massacre was a spree shooting that occurred on 13 November 1990 in the small seaside township of Aramoana, northeast of Dunedin, New Zealand.[1] Resident David Gray, after a verbal dispute with his next-door neighbour,[2] killed 13 people, including local police Sergeant Stewart Guthrie, one of the first responders to the reports of a shooting. After a careful house-by-house search the next day, police officers led by the Anti-Terrorist Squad (now known as the Special Tactics Group) located Gray and shot him dead as he came out of a house firing from the hip.[3][4] It is the deadliest criminal shooting in New Zealand history.[5]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. It occurred mainly at the historic Port Arthur former prison colony,[1] a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia.[2] It was the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, and amongst the most notable in history.[3]

Martin Bryant, a 28-year-old from New Town, a suburb of Hobart, was found guilty of the shootings and given 35 life sentences without possibility of parole.[4] Following the incident, it emerged in the media that Bryant had significant intellectual disabilities. He is now imprisoned in the Wilfred Lopes Centre, near the Risdon Prison Complex.[5]

Following the spree, the Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, introduced strict gun control laws within Australia and formulated the National Firearms Programme Implementation Act 1996, restricting the private ownership of high capacity semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic shotguns and pump-action shotguns as well as introducing uniform firearms licensing. It was implemented with bipartisan support by the Commonwealth, states and territories.[6] The massacre happened just six weeks after the Dunblane massacre, in Scotland, which claimed 18 lives, with U.K. Prime Minister John Major reaching out to his counterpart over the shared tragedies; the United Kingdom passed its own changes to gun laws in 1997.[7][8]...

And their "Gun Control" office is reporting:

A report from Gun Control Australia has revealed lobbying from the Shooters Party has ‘eaten away’ at safety measures imposed after the Port Arthur Massacre that left 35 dead in 1996.

Samantha Lee, spokeswoman for Gun Control Australia, said no Australian State or Territory now complied fully with the National Firearms Agreement.

“What we have found in this report is that there has been a major eating away of significant parts of our gun laws, such as criminal record checks for second or subsequent weapons, allowing minors to shoot high-powered firearms under supervision… [and] allowing members of the public to shoot unlicensed at clubs,” she said.

“We have come so far, [but] we have to put our necks out and put the safety of the community in front of the gun lobby.”

Most states now allow children access to fire a gun, and have relaxed the mandatory cooling-off period of 28 days from when a person obtains their license to when they buy a gun.

Close to a million firearms are now registered in NSW – almost one for every eight people.

One individual in Sydney, who is not a dealer or collector, had amassed an arsenal of 305 firearms, NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge said.

“What we see from this report is persistent failure in every state and territory, and persistent failure at a Commonwealth,” he said....

Bottomline--there are more guns are in Australia today (imported) than there were before the ban. And...UK's "little sister" (USA) will always be younger and less "mature" than UK and her colonies.

 

[St. Phatty]

They took down Lisa Jean's Gun-smithing tutorial on installing & using Slide Fire's rifle stock.

And I was just about to post a comment asking her to make a wet T-shirt version of the tutorial.

Sort of macabre, here is this beautiful woman wearing summer clothes, giving an accurate tutorial on the Slide Fire stock, before the Vegas incident. 2 years before, it turns out.

Audio "Bump fire".


I suggest using Download Helper in Firefox, to download Youtube video's. They usually play better when viewed from a local hard drive (on your own computer) instead of over a network. And, it allows you to keep the content, instead of losing it to Youtube censors. + NO ADS !

 

[dragongrower]

There is so much talk about "the need for personal security" that I wonder why none of them talk about why there is the need in the first place.. I would not like living in a country were there is a need like that..

 

[geneva_sativa]

Well coming back to the 4Chan posts predicting this,

naming Chertoff, Adelson, OSI stock etc.

motive seems to have been revealed right there. . .

Listen to the MSM spouting off about metal detectors, baggage scanners etc at all hotels.

 

[Green Squall]

There is so much talk about "the need for personal security" that I wonder why none of them talk about why there is the need in the first place.. I would not like living in a country were there is a need like that..

Just like all countries there are some not so safe spots, but it's FAR from an undesirable place to live in if it's crime your concerned with.

In England, violent crime is rising and is at it's highest level in a decade. What if it keeps getting worse and you decide you want a firearm to protect yourself and family, but your leaders won't let you have one?

This article is 5 years old, but its a perfect example of "crazy gun laws".

"Grandmother jailed over WWII 'family heirloom' pistol"
https://www.bbc.com/news/10335003

On a personal note, when my Grandfather passed away he left me his Lee Enfield Rifle and it's one of my most prized possessions. There is no way I would ever give it up. I can sympathize with that poor woman.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day GS

Problem with having defensive weapons is you need easy access in times of trouble .
Not in the back of a ward robe . Not out in the garage . Right there with in reach within your living space . Loaded and ready to use . No trigger locks , no gun safe locker .

Because the intruders almost certainly will have their weapons in their hands and are willing to use them spontaneously .

You can deduct fairly easily where the potential problems arise with having unsecured loaded fire arms sitting within arms reach. Yes ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Green Squall]

Most burglaries happen in the daytime, so chances are you won't be home. If it does occur when your home, a loaded pistol in a quick access safe is your best bet if you have young children.

A gun is a last ditch resort. Practicing prevention is more important imo. Lock you doors windows, get a motion sensor light and if you can afford it get an alarm system.

 

[Dropped Cat]

For personal security at home a medium to large sized
well trained dog is a good bet.

A panic button for the alarm system, and a well thought
out, practiced plan.

A decent sized revolver, .38 at minimum, plus a bang
stick in a second location.

A ballistic vest/cover is also a good idea.

Security is all about threat assessment based on motive
of your potential assailant.

Las Vegas guy was mentally deranged, difficult to secure
this type of threat, no motive that fits defined patterns.

Culture will adjust to the reality of these type of attacks,
just as we have accepted the cancer mortality rate and
automobile related deaths.

puff, puff, pass

 

[Water-]

There is so much talk about "the need for personal security" that I wonder why none of them talk about why there is the need in the first place.. I would not like living in a country were there is a need like that..

Part of being a free citizen is personal responsibility.

Personal security could be considered a part of that.

The other option is to rely on Big Brother and live like safe sheep in pasture.

What is the difference between a citizen and a subject under sovereignty?

Historian David Ramsay provided an explanation at the dawn of American Independence:

“THE United States are a new nation, or political society, formed at first by the Declaration of Independence, out of those British subjects in America, who were thrown out of royal protection by act of parliament, passed in December, 1775. A citizen of the United States, means a member of this new nation. The principle of government being radically changed by the revolution, the political character of the people was also changed from subjects to citizens.

The difference is immense. Subject is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another; but a citizen is an unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possess sovereignty.

Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at pleasure: but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty.”

 

[Water-]

Good point Water.....but I thought that the aim of getting famous or infamous was to be able to bask in the public's adoration or abhorration whilst still living.

Stephen Paddock is very dead now, and if he was the shooter (as claimed) in Vegas, he would have known that what he did would have the worlds attention, got the international and domestic news services pumping, and sent shock-waves around the globe.

Because of the sensationalistic coverage of such an event by the worlds media, it may well have planted a seed in many disturbed minds to one day try and upstage this tragic event by creating an even worse scenario in the not too distant future, so forming a kind of psychotic, murderous oneupmanship competition amongst the severely deranged.

Many of Paddock's victims were/are most probably gun owners themselves, but having a gun doesn't stop you being shot at, or even enable you to defend yourself in a situation such as this. (unless you have a 2000 ft wide situational awareness and carry around a sniper rifle constantly)

Maybe a sane and rational person would want to live to enjoy their notoriety.
Possibly he just wanted people to acknowledge his existence and to know his name. Besides the medias influence I think these mass killings may have something to do with how disconnected we are from each other compared to our evolutionary past when we where always a part of a group. Maybe some people don't have the brain chemistry or wiring to manage to stay sane under such pressure. Something makes these people snap and want to destroy a group of people. It's like a revenge for feeling like they have been isolated or something.

 

[vta]

G `day GS

Problem with having defensive weapons is you need easy access in times of trouble .
Not in the back of a ward robe . Not out in the garage . Right there with in reach within your living space . Loaded and ready to use . No trigger locks , no gun safe locker .

Because the intruders almost certainly will have their weapons in their hands and are willing to use them spontaneously .

You can deduct fairly easily where the potential problems arise with having unsecured loaded fire arms sitting within arms reach. Yes ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Well...my guns are in a safe, and with the touch of my thumprint, it opens....my AR is there fully loaded and ready to rumble. If I have time...I will grab my CZ .40. But the AR is the best bet. Wherever the laser dot is...so is my 5.56 round.

Please don't break into my house

 

[vta]

Back to Vegas....there is this..

Yahoo News reports:

As authorities search for a motive, Paddock’s finances have become a significant focal point — most notably, 200-plus casino or wire transactions by Paddock that were flagged for review by FinCEN, the U.S. government’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, which collects data to identify potential money laundering or covert terrorism financing. The FBI is also reviewing transactions by Danley that were flagged by FinCEN. According to a source familiar with the probe, the various transactions date back to 2014 and are being vigorously investigated. The sources said one transaction that has drawn significant attention is a $100,000 transfer to the Philippines by either Paddock or Danley prior to Sunday’s shooting. Danley was in the Philippines when Paddock opened fire on the crowd in Las Vegas.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vega...ddocks-finances-travel-sources-162657792.html

Rukmini Callimachi, a terror expert who has studied the Islamic State for years, believes Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock may have been a jihadist.

Bottom line....the Government...the Powers That Be...The Overlords...have decided NOT to share the evidence they have collected...instead we get a shit ton of conspiracy theories going around and nobody knows what to believe. The lefty politicians jump into action to blame guns all the while knowing they were just the tool rather than the culprit.

I'm just glad this bastard is dead.

 

[BombBudPuffa]

People with guns crack me up. They all act like they're special forces or on some tactical weapons team lmao. Noone is sitting around waiting to react at the drop of a dime for armed intruders to bust in. If you are you need to stop selling kilos or slapping people's grandparents or whatever horrible stuff you're doing for Sosa to send his death squad after you lol.

Reminds me of that one saying...everyone has a plan til they get punched in the face...or a gun in it smh.

 

[vta]

People with guns crack me up. They all act like they're special forces or on some tactical weapons team lmao. Noone is sitting around waiting to react at the drop of a dime for armed intruders to bust in. If you are you need to stop selling kilos or slapping people's grandparents or whatever horrible stuff you're doing for Sosa to send his death squad after you lol.

Reminds me of that one saying...everyone has a plan til they get punched in the face...or a gun in it smh.

Not at all...lol. I don't think I'm Rambo or Jason Brourne. But I do have firearms training. And I know how to use my rifles and guns. And if someone breaks into my home...If I get a chance to make it to my safe...seconds later I am lethal...bottom line...no Superman...just a guy defending himself.

 

[BombBudPuffa]

Not at all...lol. I don't think I'm Rambo or Jason Brourne. But I do have firearms training. And I know how to use my rifles and guns. And if someone breaks into my home...If I get a chance to make it to my safe...seconds later I am lethal...bottom line...no Superman...just a guy defending himself.

Thats like saying i play modern warfare so im deadly with a gun. I've owned guns since I was 12...doesn't mean I'm lethal with a gun if someone is shooting at me lol. For all I know I could crap my pants, fire wildly and end up killing one of the people I'm trying to "protect".

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone seems to think some armed intruder is going to target them and their family lmao. What are you doing in your spare time for people to want to bust in and kill your family!? Even better question is...who's literally just sitting around with a gun waiting for it to happen!? Walter White!?

 

[dragongrower]

Part of being a free citizen is personal responsibility.

Personal security could be considered a part of that.

The other option is to rely on Big Brother and live like safe sheep in pasture.

What is the difference between a citizen and a subject under sovereignty?

Sorry but I dont understand what you mean.. If you dont own a gun, you are a sheep..?

So everybody in most of europe is a sheep..?

And in regards to saying guns need to be legal even though some can not handle it right, is the same as saying everything should be legal.. right?

Then I want a nuke..

 

[dragongrower]

I am sorry, I just dont get it..
To me it just seems there are way to many bad things associated with weapons than good things..

 

[Water-]

Thats like saying i play modern warfare so im deadly with a gun. I've owned guns since I was 12...doesn't mean I'm lethal with a gun if someone is shooting at me lol. For all I know I could crap my pants, fire wildly and end up killing one of the people I'm trying to "protect".

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone seems to think some armed intruder is going to target them and their family lmao. What are you doing in your spare time for people to want to bust in and kill your family!? Even better question is...who's literally just sitting around with a gun waiting for it to happen!? Walter White!?

Many people keep guns in their bedroom. Growing up my father had a gun because his job required it. He taught me how to use it and where it was kept.

Armed? If you break into someone's house in the middle of the night you deserve to be shot regardless if you are armed.


I do not own a gun by the way because I live in a safe environment and you can only hunt with a bow.