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blakhash
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Did a lil Research
Did a lil Research
hey man im loving your grow i was thinking about throwing those into a PC grow for the heat and electricity issue...but
I did a little reading about these LED's and there downfall is lumens. 20 Led's only out put about 60-65 Lumens and im guessing you've got about 60-80 in one bulb, still falling short ALOT of lumens and im Highly guessing is what causes the stretching.
A standard 400w HID outputs 38,000 Lumens. Thus you see the extreme difference in the plants growth
Even a 42w Cfl outpurs 2,800 lumens.
Basically the plant isnt getting enough light even with the LED's Equilivant wattage.
Here is the Site i got the Info http://www.besthomeledlighting.com/product/A19-120-E27-20-W
Here is another site that has stronger Leds but only by 20 Lumens more still Falling WAY short of enough. http://www.luxeonstar.com/
Did a lil Research
hey man im loving your grow i was thinking about throwing those into a PC grow for the heat and electricity issue...but
I did a little reading about these LED's and there downfall is lumens. 20 Led's only out put about 60-65 Lumens and im guessing you've got about 60-80 in one bulb, still falling short ALOT of lumens and im Highly guessing is what causes the stretching.
A standard 400w HID outputs 38,000 Lumens. Thus you see the extreme difference in the plants growth
Even a 42w Cfl outpurs 2,800 lumens.
Basically the plant isnt getting enough light even with the LED's Equilivant wattage.
Here is the Site i got the Info http://www.besthomeledlighting.com/product/A19-120-E27-20-W
Here is another site that has stronger Leds but only by 20 Lumens more still Falling WAY short of enough. http://www.luxeonstar.com/
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LED_experiments
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lumen value is based on HUMAN EYE SENSITIVITY. plant is not HUMAN EYE, so it doesn't give a shit if there is 100 or 1000 lumens. the only thing that matters is what wavelenght your lamp is emmiting and how much of the NEEDED spectrum the plant is getting. hps has a lot of lumens, but there is huge ammount of them that plant doesn't need.
you have to make some reading about what plant needs and what lumen is.
you have to make some reading about what plant needs and what lumen is.
Puff an LED bud
Puff an LED bud
Hi rkrone man. Sometimes its interesting what appeals to our eye and how it stacks up in other areas. The LED bud is NO disappointment to smoke and get stoned. LED bud is potent. No question it is at least equal potency to HPS if not better. I only wish I got more LED bud but the need has been established, my kit doesn't have enough balls to produce any better. More guts are needed. Either I add LEDs or some HID or CFL. Comments welcome. ~
Puff an LED bud
Hi rkrone man. Sometimes its interesting what appeals to our eye and how it stacks up in other areas. The LED bud is NO disappointment to smoke and get stoned. LED bud is potent. No question it is at least equal potency to HPS if not better. I only wish I got more LED bud but the need has been established, my kit doesn't have enough balls to produce any better. More guts are needed. Either I add LEDs or some HID or CFL. Comments welcome. ~
G
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well grown bud is well grown bud whether it was under led or hid, so i def believe that its quality is there. and with some more led i bet the yields would be too.
if you are gonna upgrade the led why not keep it a true led grow, beef up what already is there?
if you are gonna upgrade the led why not keep it a true led grow, beef up what already is there?
Lighting in the blind
Lighting in the blind
Hey rkrone. How are you. Really we do not see what the plant sees. There is some overlap of receptivity between the plant and us. Good point though rkrone, should I just beef-up more of the same, or add another frequency? This is a new realization for me, I thought I had enough LEDs but such is not the case. Unfortunately again I must decide what to do with the LEDs. Very open to suggestion. It would be too easy to leave them collecting dust. Truthfully my first reaction as we speak, is the remedy is to double what is at hand. How attractive is that remedy? Too much to ponder now.
Lighting in the blind
Hey rkrone. How are you. Really we do not see what the plant sees. There is some overlap of receptivity between the plant and us. Good point though rkrone, should I just beef-up more of the same, or add another frequency? This is a new realization for me, I thought I had enough LEDs but such is not the case. Unfortunately again I must decide what to do with the LEDs. Very open to suggestion. It would be too easy to leave them collecting dust. Truthfully my first reaction as we speak, is the remedy is to double what is at hand. How attractive is that remedy? Too much to ponder now.
G
Guest
if the funds are in order to double the system you are currently running then why not...i mean this thread is a true testament to led growers, especially with the side by sides of the same strain under a 400watter...i say keep the spirit of the led's alive...beef up what you have with more led.
Blackhash here
Blackhash here
Hello Blackhash and how are you today sir. You are impressively together in your presentation. Thank you for the link to the LED info. Those type units are quite new and I don't have any experience with it yet. But the new blue from LEDGrowlights is in a PAR flood fixture which is extremely effective. Reminds me of the one you had looked at. It maybe good. Oh the number of diodes in each red is 180. Certainly any reference able to be drawn indicating some index of brightness with the LEDs is needed. I haven't seen any such "index" yet. Lumens would be great.
Blackhash here
Hello Blackhash and how are you today sir. You are impressively together in your presentation. Thank you for the link to the LED info. Those type units are quite new and I don't have any experience with it yet. But the new blue from LEDGrowlights is in a PAR flood fixture which is extremely effective. Reminds me of the one you had looked at. It maybe good. Oh the number of diodes in each red is 180. Certainly any reference able to be drawn indicating some index of brightness with the LEDs is needed. I haven't seen any such "index" yet. Lumens would be great.
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blakhash
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by no means am i deeming his bud to be bad an anyway, it was an observation i saw when doing a little research on the LED's. the LEds compensate for the electricity compared to anything else, but the price of them is just too much for the amount of bud it would grow compared to an HID.
MY Question to DAV or Anyone who knows Led's-
Is it possible to make an LEd plate myself and hook it up to something smaller like a battery with a homemade switch, if so i wouldent mind purchasing a pack and making a flat slab of LED's to fit into the top of my computer grow.
MY Question to DAV or Anyone who knows Led's-
Is it possible to make an LEd plate myself and hook it up to something smaller like a battery with a homemade switch, if so i wouldent mind purchasing a pack and making a flat slab of LED's to fit into the top of my computer grow.
S
SwitchAvenger
I've been reading this tread for a we bit now and i'm kind of in the plans of making a NGB box but making a LED ballast.
www.superbrightleds.com is probably the company i'm going to get the LEDs from and i'm going to be trying to construct a bowl style ballast with about 3 or 4 hundred LED. I was planning on using the 4630 seriers blue LED and the 8030 red LED. Each set to be wired in a seriers paralell configuartion with potentiometers for each set. I'm just really guessing that the 30 degree viewing angle would be good as i'm also planning to stick some mylar up for more light defelection. I've had a decent amount of time playing with LEDS, i've just haven't really start growing anything yet (been doing some research). Any suggestion that might help out the journey?
www.superbrightleds.com is probably the company i'm going to get the LEDs from and i'm going to be trying to construct a bowl style ballast with about 3 or 4 hundred LED. I was planning on using the 4630 seriers blue LED and the 8030 red LED. Each set to be wired in a seriers paralell configuartion with potentiometers for each set. I'm just really guessing that the 30 degree viewing angle would be good as i'm also planning to stick some mylar up for more light defelection. I've had a decent amount of time playing with LEDS, i've just haven't really start growing anything yet (been doing some research). Any suggestion that might help out the journey?
LED_experiments
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blakhash: it is possible. and it is not even that complicated.
switchavenger: tell us more about your plans. what leds, how many of them, what spectrum combination?
i'm in the middle of my project - 1400 led (approximately 70W), 4 different led types.
switchavenger: tell us more about your plans. what leds, how many of them, what spectrum combination?
i'm in the middle of my project - 1400 led (approximately 70W), 4 different led types.
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SwitchAvenger
So far my plans so far is for four color spectrums, I'm trying to find something that will get the 2700 and 6500 consentrates.So i'm figuring 2500, 4600, 5000, and 8000. Sence this set up will only be used for veg there will be 50X 5000 and 50X 8000 and 100X 2500 and 100X 4600. But i plan on wiring the red LEDs and the blue LEDs seperatly with a potentiometer regulating pulse width. I just started comming up with the entire plan and haven't worked out the math on it. I'm doing some studying on trying to make them simi dimmable (so fine tuning color spectrum could be possable). It seems that most of the problem people are having with LEDs is just getting the right color spectrums locked in. How's it sounding so far?
Orginially i was thinking about just using two types b4630 and r8030 fron superbrightleds.com because the wave length seems just about right on. I was figureing the other two types would help fill any gaps. It is probably going to be run on a AC / DC converter to 12 volts out put to allow for more avabile current to drawled from.
Orginially i was thinking about just using two types b4630 and r8030 fron superbrightleds.com because the wave length seems just about right on. I was figureing the other two types would help fill any gaps. It is probably going to be run on a AC / DC converter to 12 volts out put to allow for more avabile current to drawled from.
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LED_experiments
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i have to say, that i have no idea what you are talking about 
what are those numbers 2500, 4600, 5000, 8000? what is the unit that should be at the end of that numbers (K, mcd, something else).
what models of leds do you plan to use (superflux, normal round 5mm, 8mm, 10mm, high power chips,...?)
here is my array which is on 'couple days test' now (turned on 24 hours a day for some days). there is a small 25led dimmer sector in the picture (bad junction that has been fixed after taking the picture). those leds in the middle seem brighter than others, but that is just because of the camera being in position where those were pointed dirrectly to the lens.
350 pcs 5mm leds, 4 spectrum, 17W. if the testings are ok, i'll make 4 of them and put them together into 70W setup that will be used in my friend's '70W hps vs. 70W led comparation grow'
what are those numbers 2500, 4600, 5000, 8000? what is the unit that should be at the end of that numbers (K, mcd, something else).
what models of leds do you plan to use (superflux, normal round 5mm, 8mm, 10mm, high power chips,...?)
here is my array which is on 'couple days test' now (turned on 24 hours a day for some days). there is a small 25led dimmer sector in the picture (bad junction that has been fixed after taking the picture). those leds in the middle seem brighter than others, but that is just because of the camera being in position where those were pointed dirrectly to the lens.
350 pcs 5mm leds, 4 spectrum, 17W. if the testings are ok, i'll make 4 of them and put them together into 70W setup that will be used in my friend's '70W hps vs. 70W led comparation grow'
Arther_Daily
Member
awsome grow man....So the LED's produce less heat?
Never too thin - too rich - or too many LEDs.
Never too thin - too rich - or too many LEDs.
The comment was made that this LED kit maybe equivalent to 150w HPS, maybe so. The growth is not making me too happy. I never had this many LEDs set up before and I thought it would be better this time, but no. Despite being older, the LED plant is not as mature as its two week younger sister in 400w HPS. It is two months for the LEDs now. Disappointing small results. I'm sure it'll get me stoned a few times. But really.
The end foto is in HPS.
Never too thin - too rich - or too many LEDs.
The comment was made that this LED kit maybe equivalent to 150w HPS, maybe so. The growth is not making me too happy. I never had this many LEDs set up before and I thought it would be better this time, but no. Despite being older, the LED plant is not as mature as its two week younger sister in 400w HPS. It is two months for the LEDs now. Disappointing small results. I'm sure it'll get me stoned a few times. But really.
The end foto is in HPS.
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G
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i dont have a lowryder strain to compare but my 150w is producing nice tight nuggs, trichs, etc on most of my non-sativa dominant plants and they have a bit of a different look to them. they dont have that "soft" look to them....im not saying the comparison is inaccurate i just wish someone had lowryder under a 150w to compare to.
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SwitchAvenger
hey, sorry about the long in responce. I was super busy at work the past few days. Anyway the number are the luminous intensity. And they are 5 MM Leds. The other numbers were wave length. Was aiming for an all around wave length range. If you go to superbrightleds.com the model numbers are RL5-B4630, RL5-B2545, RL5-R8030, RL5-R5015. Was orginially going with RL5-B4630 and RL5-R8030. If you go to the the website click on LEDs and you'll see what i'm talking about. Sorry about the confusion sometimes the real life job stuck hehe. Hey got to do what you got to do right? Look at the wave length and you'll see what i'm talking about. For me it's going to be one of those things where i need to keep the electric out put at low as possible but since i'm not really aiming for a huge ammount i figured this might be the right path, and i figured while i'm i have enought experence making under glow lights for cars out of LEDs doing a little bit of searching on the wave lengths needed for the veg state i could come up with something that would be more productive. SO! i hope this helps with my last post
Anyway for Blakhash, where i would start is by finding compuer board, normally at your radioshack or other online suppliers (atleast that what i planned on doing).
Dav Zap: sorry that things didn't turn out the way you planned, real bummer. Hope you have better luck next time
Anyway for Blakhash, where i would start is by finding compuer board, normally at your radioshack or other online suppliers (atleast that what i planned on doing).
Dav Zap: sorry that things didn't turn out the way you planned, real bummer. Hope you have better luck next time
