KBS, KFB or Freedom Bucket questions...

[BruceLeeroy]

i should add that with the way i placed my feedlines, i had to hand water every four hours or so for the first 3 or 4 days till the clones sent their little feelers down to the water.

your going to do 4 plants in a 5x5 area? with how many watts? with KBS style lighting and buckets, 1 8 week flowering plant will be 5x5 in about 2.5-3 months depending on how big they are when they go in. think back to when you first grew, and how the stretch was most likely poorly prepared for. multiply that by 10. KBS grows so much faster than any other method, it's not even comparable. be prepared for it. i wonder if a person were hurting for vertical heighth if they could do a KBS style with like a bunch of 400's lol. dont know, i know the 600's barely cut it for me, i want 5 1000's.
peace

 

[mpro]

I'm glad to see this thread has picked up some steam again!

Bruce, do you have the reservoir buried?

What are some work-a-rounds to not burying it?

I assume one could have a long, wide active res that the return comes to, and have a larger, barral type res with a float valve, dumping into the active res?

Also, is everyone buying open fixture rated bulbs when doing barebulb?

 

[assuck]

i'm going to alot the 4 plants 5 x 5. using 1000 watts per, arranging the entire room as he would (other lights and other 4 plants). basically as much room as the one large krusty plant would take up. so i think i'll be good. main reason i'm doing it this way at first because it's not such a HUGE jump to a new system / style of growing. and the first run i can get away with 2 weeks veg for the 4 plants instead of 3 - 4 weeks (whatever it takes to reach 4 1/2 feet) for the one large krusty plant.

 

[mpro]

5 meters or 5 feet?

i'm going to alot the 4 plants 5 x 5. using 1000 watts per, arranging the entire room as he would (other lights and other 4 plants). basically as much room as the one large krusty plant would take up. so i think i'll be good. main reason i'm doing it this way at first because it's not such a HUGE jump to a new system / style of growing. and the first run i can get away with 2 weeks veg for the 4 plants instead of 3 - 4 weeks (whatever it takes to reach 4 1/2 feet) for the one large krusty plant.

 

[assuck]

What are some work-a-rounds to not burying it?

I assume one could have a long, wide active res that the return comes to, and have a larger, barral type res with a float valve, dumping into the active res?

Also, is everyone buying open fixture rated bulbs when doing barebulb?

I love the idea of burying the rez and keeping it out of the grow room. you may very well need a rez chiller still (in my case only a 1/4 HP) but you save available amps, and the more amps you save the more you can use in your grow room

in my opinion if it takes you a day to smash up the concrete and another day down the road (when u stop the grow) to fill the hole. it's well worth it.

another idea that i'm going to go with is using a water cooled portable a/c. that's hooked up to a 55 gallon drum. it recirculates the water and cools the room (a/c and drum stay outside the room and the cool air is ducted in). thing is you need the water in the drum cooled so you use a chiller. great thing about this is the water cooled ac is cheaper then the normal air cooled ac's and uses less amps, thus making MORE amps available for your room

thanks again guys

 

[assuck]

lol i don't have that much room to be using meters.

 

[mpro]

Sorry, I'm still a bit confused here. Are you just doing another 4 bucket dwc? Or are you going to incorperate some aspects of kfb, mainly double buckets, top feed and FILM? If so, I think you will have more troubles than its worth in the space, and go for 1 bucket with 4 1000's around it. 3lb for sure.

Originally Posted by assuck
i'm going to alot the 4 plants 5 x 5. using 1000 watts per, arranging the entire room as he would (other lights and other 4 plants). basically as much room as the one large krusty plant would take up. so i think i'll be good. main reason i'm doing it this way at first because it's not such a HUGE jump to a new system / style of growing. and the first run i can get away with 2 weeks veg for the 4 plants instead of 3 - 4 weeks (whatever it takes to reach 4 1/2 feet) for the one large krusty plant.

 

[assuck]

in the space that he uses 1 plant, i'll be using 4. vegged about 2 weeks. light spacing the same. top feed extreme air as he did, high RH ect ect i think i'll have good results, either way i'll let u guys know i KNOW most people wouldn't recommend this 4 lights per 1000 thing but it's just my situation right now that says to me it's best.. actually co2 will be used from a co2 generator which i'm suprized he didn't use. enormously helps create humidty.

good luck

 

[BruceLeeroy]

i put my res outside the growroom, but it still ended up needing cooling. i used a cheap ass 10$ heat exchanger for that.

i didn't sink the res, and that was a major mistake. i thought i could get away with using a 15 gallon res and checking constantly. 4 plants with a 15 gallon res is impossible to keep nutes steady, ph and ppm will fluctuate wildly. i think SYK warned me about that, and i by the time i was done i sure wished i'd listened lol. i wont even try again without a much bigger res, like 30+ gallons

do the water cooled a/c's add humidity?

i'm not sure what you mean by 4 plants, are you saying you'll use 5k watts and 16 plants?

i just used plain old universal bulbs. i think the open fixture rated you refer to is shatterproof or whatever? i would assume any bulb sold for non air cooled horticultural use would hAVE to be open fixture rated, as unless its air cooled it's an open fixture. not even a little sure about that tho

peace

 

[assuck]

right on, so we're talkin minimum 8 gallon's of rez per bucket to keep everything stable. that's something that's easily overlooked when putting a system together no doubt.

unfourtunatly you're not going to be able to add humidty with water cooled a/c's. here's a link http://www.spot-coolers.com/water.php

notice the remote thermometors and low amps.

"i'm not sure what you mean by 4 plants, are you saying you'll use 5k watts and 16 plants? "

that's exactly what i mean. still should hit the 1gr/1watt mark with ease, should get me firmilular with his lighting, buckets ect ect.

anything else one should look out for?

 

[Funkyskunk]

i dont want to get on yas, so dont take it that way.
but.....


if you are only working with a 5X5 area. yas might wanna consider growing a diff way. again not bustin yur balls. just saying. this type of growing, even if yas cut the veg short. which yas really dont want to do. they are gonna get big if yas have green in that thumb at all.
one of the sucessfull parts of kbs is the lighting. see the lights literally hang inbetween the plants to get the full spectrum of light. as in 360 degrees of light is hitting plants. also, in doing this. your plants will fill out better. as in your bottom buds wich are usually loose and small. they will fill out because they are getting equal amount of light. heck , my longest and biggest buds are the ones from the lowest branches that strect up and get the side lighting. these are also the one that will need to be tiyed up first.
thing is, these 1000watters throw of some enery/heat. yas gotta keep them a good foot away from the plant. or burns will happen. and that is in a 75 degree environment.

i aint gonna say it cant be done. because i think anything is poss.
and this way of growin is one of the best, IMO.

but if yas start varying from the blueprint. dont be surprised when yas dont get what yas expected.

alltho, something is better than nothing.



fs

 

[assuck]

not JUST a 5x5 area. that's just one set of where 4 plants will be. basically it's going to be

0 X 0
X 0 X
0 X 0

x = plants (my case 4 plants)
0 = lights

with more rows and colums

but the growth rate is definatly noted i'm sure i'll be pleasently suprized. appreciate the concern man.

 

[Funkyskunk]

just take pics and share wit the rest of us out here in cyber land.
hell, if it wasnt for the net. i would still be playing in dirt!
grow hard


fs

 

[Guest]

hey hey great thread bruce and all who have added

just thought id run this past yas.

this is my new grow in construction. edit, the specs are 2mtrsx1.6mtrsx2.2mtrsH


do you think i should put the HPS 1k in the middle? i will be upgrading them all eventually to 1ks. but maybe not this cycle.

cheers.

assuck. exactly how much extra RH do the burners/generators add. im in that delima now... will be first time running a gen/burner. allways had low RH, though im in a sealed room now? r u venting? cheers

out

 

[Guest]

well BUMP!!!!!!!! thanks for the replys lol.

heres what i came up with after a phew bucks,phew cuts and many long nights






2.6k 2 plants

hope i can serve the Kman proud eh!!!!!



keep em green!

 

[mpro]

Nice room Eulogy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not using the bottom pair of buckets?

 

[Guest]

mpro

thats correct, they are just used to give me the height im after, heres a better pic of the internals., now ive grown some BIG plants with this same buckets....hopefully they will hold these TREES im after...we will soon find out, ive taken what i liked about KFB's and changed what i didnt









peace....

 

[jtk707]

Recirculating dwc is the most intersting method to me

 

[BruceLeeroy]

Wanted to revive an old thread with lots of great info! especially useful for registered medical users!







Strain is RM Hashplant, little bit of fert issues, got carried away bumping up the P and caused some leafs to burn a bit.

 

[osirica420]

serious plants bro!

more pics would be very much appreciated heh...

These plants are in a hybrid system and just started flowering....

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