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Hiddenjems

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I know it’s just a tactic because you can’t simply explain your idea. His parents budget to send him to school ? You’re really out of touch if you think people in the projects can make a tuition budget.
Lots of kids going to the private Christian school down the road get tuition paid for by the church. You don’t need to attend either.
 

Captain Red Eye

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I know it’s just a tactic because you can’t simply explain your idea. His parents budget to send him to school ? You’re really out of touch if you think people in the projects can make a tuition budget.

I'm sorry, to assume you could extrapolate and you didn't find anything to consider in my data dump. :)


Just for you, I will explain my primary idea simply.
It's wrong to use offensive force, whether it's you, me or special people making claims they have rights we don't have. Charity is good, forced redistribution is not.




If people in projects value education, and they are able bodied, do you think it's possible some kind of arrangements could be made to gain access to education in an actual free market? To assume an actual free market would look like what exists today, may be an error you hadn't considered under different hypothetical education scenarios.


Also, you didn't answer if you knew the origin and purpose of government schools?

It's kind of an important piece of info. when looking at what exists and putting things in prospective.
 

Microbeman

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I agree that small communities are better for the most part but attending a Christian school that forces religious based concepts may be not so great. As Red Eye mentioned once a kid learns to read and with the internet as it is (but getting worse because of google), the world is her oyster; self teaching is primo.
 

Hiddenjems

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I agree that small communities are better for the most part but attending a Christian school that forces religious based concepts may be not so great. As Red Eye mentioned once a kid learns to read and with the internet as it is (but getting worse because of google), the world is her oyster; self teaching is primo.
There are definitely some people who wouldn’t want their children taught religious concepts, I get it. But no world is perfect.

Funny story. When my mother was getting off drugs she signed up for a local college to start a psych degree. She didn’t know until she showed up for class it was a catholic school. She finished with degrees in psychology and philosophy. Her masters was from a large state school years later.

She’s still an atheist.
 

Microbeman

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There are definitely some people who wouldn’t want their children taught religious concepts, I get it. But no world is perfect.

Funny story. When my mother was getting off drugs she signed up for a local college to start a psych degree. She didn’t know until she showed up for class it was a catholic school. She finished with degrees in psychology and philosophy. Her masters was from a large state school years later.

She’s still an atheist.
Ya some religious institutions are cool and stick to teaching/experiencing - others are like; no soup until you sing Jesus Loves Me. I know cuz my Dad ran one like that.
 

eastcoastjoe

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I'm sorry, to assume you could extrapolate and you didn't find anything to consider in my data dump. :)


Just for you, I will explain my primary idea simply.
It's wrong to use offensive force, whether it's you, me or special people making claims they have rights we don't have. Charity is good, forced redistribution is not.




If people in projects value education, and they are able bodied, do you think it's possible some kind of arrangements could be made to gain access to education in an actual free market? To assume an actual free market would look like what exists today, may be an error you hadn't considered under different hypothetical education scenarios.


Also, you didn't answer if you knew the origin and purpose of government schools?

It's kind of an important piece of info. when looking at what exists and putting things in prospective.

No I don’t. You ever tried raising a kid on minimum wage ? It’s even deeper than that. I wouldn’t expect someone like you to understand
 

eastcoastjoe

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I'm sorry, to assume you could extrapolate and you didn't find anything to consider in my data dump. :)


Just for you, I will explain my primary idea simply.
It's wrong to use offensive force, whether it's you, me or special people making claims they have rights we don't have. Charity is good, forced redistribution is not.




If people in projects value education, and they are able bodied, do you think it's possible some kind of arrangements could be made to gain access to education in an actual free market? To assume an actual free market would look like what exists today, may be an error you hadn't considered under different hypothetical education scenarios.


Also, you didn't answer if you knew the origin and purpose of government schools?

It's kind of an important piece of info. when looking at what exists and putting things in prospective.

You actually just did the same exact thing. Why are you feeding me rhetorical nonsense when you never gave me a response to how are public schools supposed to be replaced.
 

eastcoastjoe

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How can low income families self educate when they have to work full time to barely get by.
It’s a noble concept but hardly practical for the majority of the population. Good intentions are just that and nothing more
 

Hiddenjems

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How can low income families self educate when they have to work full time to barely get by.
It’s a noble concept but hardly practical for the majority of the population. Good intentions are just that and nothing more
It’s almost like problems in America are based on socioeconomic status, not racism, sexism, or transphobia.
 

Captain Red Eye

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No I don’t. You ever tried raising a kid on minimum wage ? It’s even deeper than that. I wouldn’t expect someone like you to understand

I think your understanding is more swatting at symptoms, rather than knowing what root causes are and why changing them is what is needed. No offense, you have a lot of company in that regard.

Besides. if free market schools were "allowed" to exist don't you think prices for schools would drop? The evidence points to yes.

Fucking Kaiser!!!

The origin of the government school system in the USA is the Prussian school system. Horace Mann, a silly proto liberal control freak brought the system from Prussia to Massachusetts around the 1840s. He pushed it until it consumed the previous models and the USA propaganda indoctrination education system became the norm. War mongers and crony capitalists wept for joy!!! Obedient brain-dead soldiers and cheap labor bodies to fill their factories!

That system was originally implemented because the Prussian Kaiser (the boss of Prussia) was pissed off his soldiers wouldn't blindly follow orders and run into cannon fire when ordered etc.

The Prussian school system was literally created to instill obedience in the general population to make them stooge like obedient soldiers and suitable mill workers, incapable of thinking for themselves, instead obedience to authority was the goal. Those are the actual reasons. THAT IS THE SAME SYSTEM USED IN THE USA!

Curiously, State run education became the 10th plank of the Communist manifesto. Are you a Commie?


About 100 years later, many of the original ideas of instilled obedience resulted in a German populace so well trained to obey "authority" and follow orders, they never stopped the genocide of Jews. Indoctrination for the win!!

In the USA, Viet Nam, the middle east wars etc all can be traced to a dumbed down obedient population, well indoctrinated to believe and obey. 9/11? "We were attacked" ! Let's go fuck up the middle east, any country will do!

Poor kids?

Why do you want to indoctrinate them in the present system? So they can be used as cannon fodder for the next war? So they can be milked for revenue to pay for tampons in boys rooms? So they can become police officers and say "just doing my job" when they arrest people for a plant? That's what you got and that's what you'll continue to get...just as intended.

Ever heard of the Nuremberg excuse..."just following orders" ? Das Good Nazi! Obey!!

What makes you want to force other people to pay for that nonsense?

Where do you get the right to force disinterested people to pay for your ideas?
 

zachrockbadenof

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9/11? "We were attacked" ! Let's go fuck up the middle east, any country will do!
incorrect... the murderers were living in affie... hence that's where we attacked.

as to iraq, it was not attacked because of 9/11, or that saddam was a bad guy, shit there are lots of bad guys around the world.. iraq was invaded for one reason.... oil... if we needed sand, we would have attacked the sudan or another shit-hole..

that bush and cheney , along with their co-horts are walking around free is a crime... they should be hung by their balls in a public square...
 

Captain Red Eye

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You actually just did the same exact thing. Why are you feeding me rhetorical nonsense when you never gave me a response to how are public schools supposed to be replaced.

Again, I find your inability to extrapolate information somewhat lacking, almost like you were trained that some central authority must be involved to force a one size system on everyone. That's not very imaginative.


Using voluntary free market means, rather than offensive force. That opens the door to any number of ways to do it, none of them using threats of home seizure to accomplish it and all requiring consent from all involved parties.

That's how,
 

Captain Red Eye

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incorrect... the murderers were living in affie... hence that's where we attacked.

as to iraq, it was not attacked because of 9/11, or that saddam was a bad guy, shit there are lots of bad guys around the world.. iraq was invaded for one reason.... oil... if we needed sand, we would have attacked the sudan or another shit-hole..

that bush and cheney , along with their co-horts are walking around free is a crime... they should be hung by their balls in a public square...

Were they? I think the murderers live in nice houses and are the ones that benefit financially from Empire abventures and wars. Root causes etc. Afghanistan did not attack the USA, that whole invasion was a major disaster, unjust and based in lies.

My point was an indoctrinated populace is easy to lead to war. Nazi generals knew that and so do USA war mongers. Same play-book, different uniform. Government schools help these things to happen.


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