funkyhorse
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https://www.cannapot.com/shop/cannabis-seeds/magic-herbs/jamaican-spirit-f2_seeds.html
Description about this strain is very clear
Description about this strain is very clear
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jamaican "lambsbread"
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I'm a bit confused, if the hope is to preserve the original lambsbread line for the long run, how will keeping it from the general public save it in the long haul? The more people who grow it, the higher the chance multiple educated people will properly reproduce it and preserve it for many generations to enjoy. The opposite is true: the less people growing and working to preserve it, the lower the chance the line will be preserved over time. With the internet around, there's an opportunity to promote sustainable practices to the masses to help preserve rare cannabis lines.
On the other hand, I understand how bad players in the seed game have ruined it for everyone.
On the other hand, I understand how bad players in the seed game have ruined it for everyone.
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Sertaiz
what wang said. ^^^
Finally seems they haven't asked any breeders for reproducing and selling their work...
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Sertaiz
so can the breeders release something so we can buy from them? or have a better trade/ giftback, id pay the breeder a breeding fee and jamaican fee. that goes into some legit project to help them. but i agree that it should be available to keep alive by people who would grow it in bulk and contribute. in a non money world, we wouldnt even ask the question, just give to keep the strain alive. possible sales is what stops it. its nice to be able to give back to the right people though, so let us know when yall get the karma worked out. ill take a pure lambs and make thousands of seeds and keep it in seed form forever. would be that guy. im happy with crosses though, if no can.
looks like the breeder posted his work to create these seeds,
over at a double jam thread...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6611921&postcount=48
G `day ngakpa
Going with the theory ganja came to the Caribbean from India with Coolies .
Have you encountered ganja during your travels in India that resembled the old-school Caribbean cultigens ?
Or is selection pressure and environment too much of a factor to be able to compare ?
Thanks for sharin
EB .
funkyhorse
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So in the name of precision, if you receive a seed outside the location of origin, and you develop it and work it far from its original land, would it be fair to call the strain for its geographic name?
The legend tells a reggae singer went to Spain and gave to members of the Vibes Collective lambsbread seeds from Jamaica. The collective has worked over the years those seeds far from its place of origin. Is it fair to call it Jamaican Lamsbread? I think it should be called Vibes Collective Lambsbread.
The strain the Vibes Collective have developed from those seeds, is the same quality and have the same properties as the old lambsbread ganja fields grown in jamaica in the 20th century?
Leeward Islands are old school cultivars as well. Amazing no seedbanks are working with seeds from those cultivars
The term Lambsbread I relate to jamaican cultivars and I dont think I am the only one who thinks of Jamaica when hearing the term lambsbread
The Caribbean is big and still has biodiversity
The legend tells a reggae singer went to Spain and gave to members of the Vibes Collective lambsbread seeds from Jamaica. The collective has worked over the years those seeds far from its place of origin. Is it fair to call it Jamaican Lamsbread? I think it should be called Vibes Collective Lambsbread.
The strain the Vibes Collective have developed from those seeds, is the same quality and have the same properties as the old lambsbread ganja fields grown in jamaica in the 20th century?
Leeward Islands are old school cultivars as well. Amazing no seedbanks are working with seeds from those cultivars
The term Lambsbread I relate to jamaican cultivars and I dont think I am the only one who thinks of Jamaica when hearing the term lambsbread
The Caribbean is big and still has biodiversity
I travelled through the Guyanas and the Caribbean in '92 and yes, ganja I've had from western India has the same basic smells and qualities I remember from back then: Heady high, peppery generic ganja aromas...
But you know, that's all annecdotal
funkyhorse
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I hope I am not being misanderstood, I love the work you all do
It is very difficult to make balance in such an unbalanced world.
European Union presses and punishes with sanctions third world countries if they use an origin denomination like Parma Ham on their ham products.
On the other hand, it seems ok to call a seed by its name of origin if it is grown in the european union, right?
I understand a scandinavian in the caribbean is a scandinavian with a suntan
On the other hand, after a couple of generations, the polish descendants who live in the state of Rio Grande do Sul are visibly two sizes smaller in their clothing and body contexture than the polish living in Poland.
I am not the one to judge if one development is better than the other. Genetically same origin but after a couple of generations, differences are visible
It is very difficult to make balance in such an unbalanced world.
European Union presses and punishes with sanctions third world countries if they use an origin denomination like Parma Ham on their ham products.
On the other hand, it seems ok to call a seed by its name of origin if it is grown in the european union, right?
I understand a scandinavian in the caribbean is a scandinavian with a suntan
On the other hand, after a couple of generations, the polish descendants who live in the state of Rio Grande do Sul are visibly two sizes smaller in their clothing and body contexture than the polish living in Poland.
I am not the one to judge if one development is better than the other. Genetically same origin but after a couple of generations, differences are visible
I believe ngakpa is correct...
On my first 3 trips to Jamaica in 1972, '73, and '81, I spent almost 4 months in the back hills of the island.
As the house guest or camp guest of several "real" Rastafarians"; as opposed to the "rastaphonyans" of Negril beach and the hustlers of Montego Bay;
I smoked or steamed a lot of ganja with my hosts.
I too, believe that the term "Lambsbread" did not denote a specific strain,
but instead described any of several strains which were the very best ganja available at that time and location...
By the time of my third trip, in 1981, much of the ganja had changed dramatically on the island..
It was no longer the soaring "head high" sativas, for which Jamaica was famous.
Much of it now was hybrids of Indica crossed with the native Sativas..
This is because of so many tourists from Europe and the U.S., bringing Indica seeds to the island in the mid though late 1970's.
Luckily for me, on this trip in 1981, I stayed with Winston, a Rastafarian, and his wife,
who lived in a large, open ended A-frame house he had built way back in the hills about 5 miles outside of Highgate, Jamaica, in the parish of St. Mary.
Winston told me about how the island's ganja was changing, and he didn't like it either.
Luckily he had many other Rasta friends who lived way back in little hollers in the hills, where they continued growing their old Sativa strains,
as yet unaffected by the Indica pollen which was beginning to be blown around the island in the breezes...
Winston and his wife Carmen, also would not "smoke" ganja, because he knew smoking was bad for your lungs...
Winston "steamed" his weed, in his "steam pipes"...
The steam pipe is a very old-school vaporizer..
So Winston, Carmen and I vaped a lot of delicious "Lambsbread" Sativas during my stay with them..
The picture is one I took, as I hiked the back roads of Jamaica, in my quest for the "highest of the high tops"...
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On my first 3 trips to Jamaica in 1972, '73, and '81, I spent almost 4 months in the back hills of the island.
As the house guest or camp guest of several "real" Rastafarians"; as opposed to the "rastaphonyans" of Negril beach and the hustlers of Montego Bay;
I smoked or steamed a lot of ganja with my hosts.
I too, believe that the term "Lambsbread" did not denote a specific strain,
but instead described any of several strains which were the very best ganja available at that time and location...
By the time of my third trip, in 1981, much of the ganja had changed dramatically on the island..
It was no longer the soaring "head high" sativas, for which Jamaica was famous.
Much of it now was hybrids of Indica crossed with the native Sativas..
This is because of so many tourists from Europe and the U.S., bringing Indica seeds to the island in the mid though late 1970's.
Luckily for me, on this trip in 1981, I stayed with Winston, a Rastafarian, and his wife,
who lived in a large, open ended A-frame house he had built way back in the hills about 5 miles outside of Highgate, Jamaica, in the parish of St. Mary.
Winston told me about how the island's ganja was changing, and he didn't like it either.
Luckily he had many other Rasta friends who lived way back in little hollers in the hills, where they continued growing their old Sativa strains,
as yet unaffected by the Indica pollen which was beginning to be blown around the island in the breezes...
Winston and his wife Carmen, also would not "smoke" ganja, because he knew smoking was bad for your lungs...
Winston "steamed" his weed, in his "steam pipes"...
The steam pipe is a very old-school vaporizer..
So Winston, Carmen and I vaped a lot of delicious "Lambsbread" Sativas during my stay with them..
The picture is one I took, as I hiked the back roads of Jamaica, in my quest for the "highest of the high tops"...
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Sertaiz
If the pollen just drifted around like you are saying, and it was similar high grade weed, it could have been a phenotype difference, being grown in large enough amounts to keep it going genetically. maybe it literally all was lambsbread and now because of the indica influence it has to be saved with special practices.
idk i was in jamaica as a kid and want to go back for a visit. pigpens and waterfalls and kids with car tire rubber slingshots......
idk i was in jamaica as a kid and want to go back for a visit. pigpens and waterfalls and kids with car tire rubber slingshots......
There is an interview where Bob Marley talks about about lambsbread. To sum it up, it was just a really great plant and when you try to find more of it, it's gone. One special plant, your elite keeper, that is the lambsbread. Supposedly Kingsbread comes from a reveged lambsbread and gives a second cutting the following season.
way I see it, these interpretations - good ganja and ganja in general - aren't mutually exclusive, but the sacramental name surely came first
Lambsbread is a name used in praise of ganja to indicate it's a sacrament - so naturally it can evolve into a name indicating especially good ganja
I used to collect reggae and dub LPs and singles, mostly on vinyl, and based on years of listening, that's how it was used, as an epithet for ganja: 'Lambsbread and the dread them'a one' is the line that sticks in my mind (Dennis Brown iirc), but there are loads of others
this is what I wrote earlier:
'Lambsbread' is just an epithet for cannabis in general, not the name for a specific 'strain'. It shouldn't be taken to refer to anything more specific than just any genuine Caribbean ganja landrace. That even someone as well-informed as Amanda Feilding makes this mistake indicates the depth of confusion and misinformation landraces are swamped in.
The roots of this name, like 'collie' - which comes from the Indic term 'kali', meaning bud - are in the sacramental cannabis culture that Indian slaves ('indentured labourers') brought with them to the Caribbean. Rasta culture fused this with influences that included the Christian communion, in which bread is the body of Christ (ie, the Lamb of God, cf. John 1:29).
Anyone who had to go to church as a kid, which Rastas of older generations surely will have, could tell you this...
Lambsbread is a name used in praise of ganja to indicate it's a sacrament - so naturally it can evolve into a name indicating especially good ganja
I used to collect reggae and dub LPs and singles, mostly on vinyl, and based on years of listening, that's how it was used, as an epithet for ganja: 'Lambsbread and the dread them'a one' is the line that sticks in my mind (Dennis Brown iirc), but there are loads of others
this is what I wrote earlier:
'Lambsbread' is just an epithet for cannabis in general, not the name for a specific 'strain'. It shouldn't be taken to refer to anything more specific than just any genuine Caribbean ganja landrace. That even someone as well-informed as Amanda Feilding makes this mistake indicates the depth of confusion and misinformation landraces are swamped in.
The roots of this name, like 'collie' - which comes from the Indic term 'kali', meaning bud - are in the sacramental cannabis culture that Indian slaves ('indentured labourers') brought with them to the Caribbean. Rasta culture fused this with influences that included the Christian communion, in which bread is the body of Christ (ie, the Lamb of God, cf. John 1:29).
Anyone who had to go to church as a kid, which Rastas of older generations surely will have, could tell you this...
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So your education on Caribbean herb and Jamaican culture derives from listening to Reggae and a trip to south america and then some caribbean island in 92 and you pass your self off as an authority on the subject?
Yet a women who has spent her life doing actual research can't be correct because it contradicts your second hand information?
Your ego is far larger than your intellect and it clouds your judgment.
The Caribbean has vast cultural and historical differences among the islands.
To classify it as one unit only reveals your ignorance
In India Kali refers to a Goddess that is a consort of Shiva whose followers are known as Shaivites and they grow dread locks and smoke, which ofcourse influenced Rastafarianism. Kali does not directly mean "bud" in India but in Jamaica it became known as Collie through asssociation.
Yet a women who has spent her life doing actual research can't be correct because it contradicts your second hand information?
Your ego is far larger than your intellect and it clouds your judgment.
The Caribbean has vast cultural and historical differences among the islands.
To classify it as one unit only reveals your ignorance
In India Kali refers to a Goddess that is a consort of Shiva whose followers are known as Shaivites and they grow dread locks and smoke, which ofcourse influenced Rastafarianism. Kali does not directly mean "bud" in India but in Jamaica it became known as Collie through asssociation.
Like Water wrote here above is that Kali in Hinduism is a goddess and not meant bud.
The Indian slaves you're talking about were actually contract workers and were send to different countries.They were lower caste most of the time.
kali = bud, flower
Kali = the black goddess
'indentured labourer' was a euphemism for slave; the system was slavery by another name... Indians were exploited to resurrect the previously outlawed trade in Africans
(among other things, illiterate people were made to sign contracts with crosses but had no way of knowing what they were agreeing to)
Kali = the black goddess
'indentured labourer' was a euphemism for slave; the system was slavery by another name... Indians were exploited to resurrect the previously outlawed trade in Africans
(among other things, illiterate people were made to sign contracts with crosses but had no way of knowing what they were agreeing to)
the sentence isn't clear, but followers of Kali aren't called Shaivites (it's an English term anyway)
if they're ascetics mostly they'll be Tantrikas or Shaktites, but if they're householders more likely they'll be simple bhakts... it depends on the situation
