jamaican "lambsbread"

[ngakpa]

south america and then some caribbean island

the Guyanas and especially British Guyana are generally considered part of the Caribbean region, and certainly are in the context of the history of cannabis in the Caribbean

unrelated but it has to be said:

this is a pretty interesting topic, which is why I'm responding, but let's face it, the spite, trolling, and tone you bring to this are completely out of line...

I mean this in a nice way, but it's pretty clear from your posts that you're not well

from what I know of studies on trolling, almost all trolls have psychopathy or other mental illnesses

I don't know if anyone offline is tellling you this, but if you're as unwell as your posts suggest you are, then you should do yourself a favour, get off the Internet, and quit cannabis

 

[Water-]

Back to Lambsbread

 

[yesum]

Hey DoucheWater is at it again I see.

 

[mexcurandero420]

kali = bud, flower
Kali = the black goddess

'indentured labourer' was a euphemism for slave; the system was slavery by another name... Indians were exploited to resurrect the previously outlawed trade in Africans

(among other things, illiterate people were made to sign contracts with crosses but had no way of knowing what they were agreeing to)

Kalee = bud, flower

Like i said contract workers were low paid workers from the lower caste of India.There was no union for those people at that time.The Dutch began to use those people in Suriname after slavery was banned.Funny thing is there is no Cannabis culture either.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Kalee = bud, flower

Like i said contract workers were low paid workers from the lower caste of India.There was no union for those people at that time.The Dutch began to use those people in Suriname after slavery was banned.Funny thing is there is no Cannabis culture either.

G `day Mex

I`ve heard it expressed as Collie weed too .
Prolly more of a accent /phonetics thing .

Police man in the street searchin for the collie weed .

Eek a Mouse

When I was a young man I used to burn collie weed in a rizla .

Pablo Gad .

One thing much of the West Indies and India have in common ?
The love of the game of Cricket .

Australia playing India in a cricket match in Perth ATM .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ngakpa]

Kalee = bud, flower

Like i said contract workers were low paid workers from the lower caste of India.There was no union for those people at that time.The Dutch began to use those people in Suriname after slavery was banned.Funny thing is there is no Cannabis culture either.

it's a long sound in Kali too, dude

grammatically both words are in the feminine gender

Feck knows why you're choosing defending indentured servitude as a hill to die on

Literally it was outlawed in 1917 because the whole system was so transparently brutal and unjust, and the pretense that the debt enslaved and often starving people who were trapped into the system had any understanding of what they were getting into was unsustainable

Can never get my head around the reactionary opinions you can encounter here, for me cannabis is meant to be countercultural

Also, you know the hundreds of tons British India exported to Trinidad etc is all on record, right?

Where do you get the idea there's no cannabis culture in the Guyanas lol?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day ngakpa

Indentured workers were in Australia too .

Where I live there are a group of people with black skin . I thought they were aboriginal people when I went to school with them .
Later days I came to find they were the descendants of Kanaka [ Noumean] indentured workers who were brought over to cut sugar cane .

This was still going on in the early 20th century . Not talked about but ...

British Guyana is right next door to Suriname . Coolies = ganja apparently .

I read a paper by an anthropologist studying group activity under the influence of Jamaican ganja .
Workers performing repetitive manual labor were more productive as a group when high .

Those collies weren`t just slackers smokin couch lock herb . lol .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Bardo Eagle]

Hi guys do sum relax please lol,were all children of God,we are all special and beautiful,prospective is the key.God is lie and truth,duality.God is a little acid addict hahahah

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Welton Irie -
Lamb's Bread International

"Eat up the Lamb's Bread Collie"

 

[therevverend]

I see there aren't any Bible Thumpers around here that's too bad. Time to get out the Good Book and start smacking some heads. It's the Feast of the Pentecost baby.

The Feast of the Pentecost is the 7th Sunday after Easter when the Holy Spirit filled the disciples of Jesus and their followers. When they were in Jerusalem celebrating the Jewish holy day of Shavuot. Shavuot marks the day God gave the nation of Israel the Torah while they were gathered at Mt Sinai and it's linked to Passover.

I don't want to go too deep down the Rabbit Hole but these are ancient harvest festivals dating back long before Christianity or even before Judaism I reckon. It celebrates the day of the first ripening and harvest of wheat. In Exodus it's called First Fruits of the Wheat Harvest. And what do we do at harvest festival? We bake bread, get wasted, and burn offerings to the Lord.

To quote Leviticus:

Along with the bread you are to present seven unblemished male lambs a year old, one young bull, and two rams. They will be a burnt offering to the LORD, together with their grain offerings and drink offerings—an offering made by fire of a pleasing aroma to the LORD. (Leviticus 23:18)

Rasta doesn't own livestock so what else can he offer by fire that makes an aroma that the Lord will find pleasing? Other quotes are:

Along with his peace offering of thanksgiving, he is to present an offering with cakes of leavened bread. (Leviticus 7:13)

Bring two loaves of bread from your dwellings as a wave offering, each made from two-tenths an ephah of fine flour, baked with yeast, as the firstfruits to the Lord. (Leviticus 23:17)

This is the Feast of the Pentecost. There's nothing here about specific strains of herb. But you wouldn't want to offer up to the Lord your run of the mill stuff. Nothing but the best of the best for the God of Israel. At a certain place and time in Jamaica the best herb was the Lambsbread. I'll bet the firstfruits of the harvest were very tasty.

If you go to the dispensaries or look at Leafly or whatever you'll find all sorts of different stuff called Lambsbread. Different supposedly Jamaican or Carribean types. This is a misunderstanding of the purpose and spiritual significance of the ganja. Rastas have never been confined to Jamaica they are all over the Caribbean and the world smoking Lambsbread. All ganja can be Lambsbread if it offered up the Lord with Love.

You can look for the Jamaican strain of cannabis that was grown and used spiritually as lambsbread originally. I'm curious how old this tradition is. Rastas awoke in the 1930s and by the 1950s their culture was fully realized. I would think by the 1960s and 1970s the original Jamaican strains were being supplanted and hybridized with potent Jamaican, Afghan, and Central American strains.

Narrow leaf Western European hemp strains were brought by Europeans from the 16th century to the early 19th century. Indian narrow leaf drug strains were brought in the mid 19th century and the cannabinoid ratios suggest hybridization between the two groups. African influence on these strains was probably minimal.

I'd be looking for something with more than a 1:1 ratio of THC to CBD, moderate levels of both. Very narrow leaf long season tropical strain. Maybe around 10% THC, 1-3% CBD? The original landrace Caribbean strains weren't that potent. It would depend on when and how much Columbian ganja influenced things. I know by the 1970s Jamaican cannabis was potent.

Kali is The Mother Goddess. To her bhaktis she is the Ultimate Reality. Shiva's bhaktis believe Shiva is the Ultimate Reality. It's hard to explain Hinduism because it's not one religion. It'd be the same as thinking of Abrahamic religions as one religion. Shiva's consort is Parvati who is one of the billions of manifestations of the Mother Goddess.

I'll post a link to the wiki article on indentured servitude, makes it a lot easier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude

There's a section on the Caribbean and the Indian indentured system. It replaced slavery when slavery was banned, people were treated worse then cattle. An illiterate person signing a piece of paper. Many were kidnapped, especially from the South Sea islands. Entire cultures were destroyed, islands depopulated. White Europeans, among them Irish and Scot POWs were also indentured. The rich plantation owners needed warm bodies wherever they could find them.

 

[Water-]

Its also possible that the term Lambsbread existed in the culture before Rastafarianism was established.




Does anybody know of any research regarding the use of Cannabis by the Jamaican Maroon peoples?

 

[therevverend]

I agree Water- that's a good point. In the early 20th century missionaries from the Pentecostal churches were flooding into Jamaica peaking in the 1920s. The largest Christian denomination in Jamaica is Pentecostal, The Church of God. They arrived in 1924. The Rastafarian movement began 10 years later. I'd be surprised if this is a coincidence it kept coming up when I was reading about this stuff.

The Pentecostals put an emphasis on a direct experience of God through baptism with the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues, dancing, singing, laying hands on the sick, spiritual gifts, there's a belief in losing one's self in ecstatic worship of the Lord that reminds me of other ganja based religions. Sufism for instance. Not that the mainstream Pentecostals would accept ganja as a part of worship but I'd be surprised if many of the early Rastas didn't have a Pentecostal background.

 

[horsemen97]

what yu think about the psalm 82 IN THE BIBBLE MEN? IF YOU IS A TRUE RASTA

 

[horsemen97]

I agree Water- that's a good point. In the early 20th century missionaries from the Pentecostal churches were flooding into Jamaica peaking in the 1920s. The largest Christian denomination in Jamaica is Pentecostal, The Church of God. They arrived in 1924. The Rastafarian movement began 10 years later. I'd be surprised if this is a coincidence it kept coming up when I was reading about this stuff.

The Pentecostals put an emphasis on a direct experience of God through baptism with the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues, dancing, singing, laying hands on the sick, spiritual gifts, there's a belief in losing one's self in ecstatic worship of the Lord that reminds me of other ganja based religions. Sufism for instance. Not that the mainstream Pentecostals would accept ganja as a part of worship but I'd be surprised if many of the early Rastas didn't have a Pentecostal background.

PSALM : 82 in the bibble ; what can you said about this?

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day Roms

I prefer to think in terms of ying / yang .
All in balance .

The christian myths don`t do it for me anymore .


This conversation with Ngakpa has prompted me to learn more about Hinduism .

That`s not all bad .

By chance I came across some posts from 10 years ago . When Ngakpa using a different handle was a much more humble poster.

Interesting transformation the years have made .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Elmer Bud]

Indentured workers in Australia

Sweat and tears
From the 1860s until 1904, around 50,000 people were brought to Australia — some of them kidnapped, others willingly — through employment contracts they did not fully understand.

South Sea Islanders worked in the pastoral, agricultural and marine industries and formed the backbone of the sugarcane industry.

 

[Roms]

G `day Roms

I prefer to think in terms of ying / yang .
All in balance .

The christian myths don`t do it for me anymore .


(...)

The cross
"In nomine patris et filis et spiritus sancti amen"
Has the same origin as yin yang, equal balance of the universe i think.

But i agree i also prefer the tao or rasta way of life even if i have neither god or master, just Nature.

 

[ngakpa]

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[OvergrowDaWorld]

what yu think about the psalm 82 IN THE BIBBLE MEN? IF YOU IS A TRUE RASTA

Im a minister. Psalm 82 is saying that the Judges of this world should be children of God. Righteous men.
All Judges who rule for God should be children of God. Those guilty of sinful practices as described in verse 2, 5, and 7, are not qualified as judges or children of God.

There's an 8 fold Indictment of Unrighteous Judges:
1~ They judge unjustly
2~ They accept persons of the wicked
3~ They Know not Gods Law
4~ Do not wish to understand
5~ Walk in Darkness
6~ Their civil institutions are out of course, perverted
7~ They shall die like men
8~ They shall fall like Princes

God gives 4 commands to the Judges of the Earth:
1~ Defend the poor and fatherless
2~ Do justice to afflicted and needy
3~ Deliver the poor and needy
4~ Rid the poor, the fatherless, and the needy from the hand of the wicked

Doesnt matter what anyone thinks about it. The TRUTH is what matters.

 

[Elmer Bud]

as a few people reading this who actually know me in the real world will know, I know more than I'd care to about the predilictions of members of some of the nastier corners of the online landrace 'community', which I suspect is unfortunately what your projection is likely to be all about

because let's face it, any sensible person can see plenty of evidence from your posts that you're psychologically disturbed...

in other words, the only thing going on here is projection of your own psychological issues, whatever they may be...

do yourself a favour mate, sort your head out, get off the Internet and lay off the cannabis, because you clearly can't handle it

anyway, your problems are your problems, and whatever they are I hope you can sort them out

sadly, if there's one thing that's clear, it's that this subforum has been overrun by wrong'uns

which is a pity really, as there are still a few people here posting great reports and photos...

seems all forums have a shelf-life though... oh well...

G `day Ngakpa

Wrong un ?

wrongun
An individual male or female,that is without concience and has severe social disorders.
These can appear in booze and boot abuse (usually combined)and are normally associated with bizarre sexual behaviour, ridiculous dancing,and severe bouts of wanking often in public and hotel balconies,and constant references to anything anal such as fucking butt and bum wee.....
She loves it up the shitter that bint is a total wrongun


So if some one dares debate you . They are a serial public masturbater . A binge drinker and a sexual deviate ?

That`s a pretty strong thing to say .

Thanks for sharin

EB .