It's the CLUBS not the GROWERS!!!

[justalilrowdy]

The market has dropped.. the prices are lower than I have seen them in years for quality outdoor and indoor. Everyone is growing and the market is flooded but you still see a damn $50. eighth here in some of the greedy clubs. That can't be classified as compassion. Its simply greed and opportunistic and any collective/dispensary that hasn't readjusted their prices and passed that along to their patients is clearly in the business to cash in.

 

[dagnabit]

This site is just not iPhone friendly!
Lmao
Time to move the horses....
See ya at the barn...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

No new arguments or opinions...
Same thing I've been saying all along.
No matter what the product top shelf anything will fetch a premium.

How can you disagree?

legal vs illegal

Laws have changed prices remain the same.
Do you disagree that laws have changed?

You're already flexed on legal vs changed law. Changed isn't my argument. You're rehashing.

Do you disagree that prices are still the same?

Lol.

As for my "new" argument about top shelf fetching a premium...
Nothing "new" about it.
I pointed out several examples of high end products fetching premium prices.

more legal vs illegal

You were to busy nit picking spelling to notice.?

Nah, just didn't know what congac is.

(see melons)

I believe I quoted mellons so you wouldn't flip out. Sorry it didn't work.

Some more examples would luxury cars,fine wine and microbrewed beer.

The rest is your standard ad hominem and is dismessed as such.

More legal vs illegal. Apparently you didn't take offense to another perspective:

^that makes sense DB but in the real world...the dispensarys are taking a very large risk compared to your average grower. they have their necks out in the open...and the feds can hit a "legal" dispensary whenever they please so of course they have a larger cut at the current time. even harborside in oakland is risking federal charges of drug distribution and rico conspiracy if the law really wants to get technical with the books....

I believe your assertions are suspect.

 

[420247]

Something to think about....

How long does it take you to grow an ounce? cutting, veg, flower, trim, and dry?

How long does it take for a dispensary to allocate that ounce?

whos spending more in time and overhead for that ounce?

If your in it for the money... Do not be a grower... Unless you can retail what you grow

Another thing to think about...

Who makes more money? R.J. Reynolds or the independent tobacco growers? Who do you think works harder?

 

[420247]

Another neat thing is...

The retailer needs an ounce a day to supply its customers... the retailer finds five growers to keep up the supply...

Who makes more? The retailer allocating one ounce a day at a 100% markup, or the farmer allocating 1/5 of an ounce a day at wholesale to the retailer?

 

[justalilrowdy]

R.J. Reynolds is a killer and that's on them. The comparison thing always kills me.. no disrespect intended but it's called the "compassionate use act" and it truly brings relief to many many people. No comparison to the tobacco industry. Why compare it? Who cares who makes more in their deadly industry? There is no justifying greed by comparing it to greed. We are suppose to be here as COMPASSIONATE health givers.
It has been a battle and the "providers" who are here gouging people under the disguise of 215 are no better than the tobacco or pharmaceutical or any destructive industrial giant.

 

[420247]

R.J. Reynolds is a killer and that's on them. The comparison thing always kills me.. no disrespect intended but it's called the "compassionate use act" and it truly brings relief to many many people. No comparison to the tobacco industry. Why compare it? There is no justifying greed by comparing it to greed. We are suppose to be here as COMPASSIONATE health givers.
It has been a battle and the "providers" who are here gouging people under the disguise of 215 are no better than the tobacco or pharmaceutical or any destructive industrial giant.

Hahahahaha!!!!

Open your eyes!!! Have you been to any of the dispensaries in So. Cal.? "We are suppose to be here as COMPASSIONATE health givers." Who are you kidding LOL

I love what you say... But its not how real life works... And its not whats happening

I can feel compassion for you and take your money at the same time... Compassion does not mean cheap LOL

Anyways... Theres alot more to what I posted than just tobacco that you totally missed LOL

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Something to think about....

How long does it take you to grow an ounce? cutting, veg, flower, trim, and dry?

How long does it take for a dispensary to allocate that ounce?

whos spending more in time and overhead for that ounce?

If your in it for the money... Do not be a grower... Unless you can retail what you grow

That's logical. I know a guy that buys crap by the ton, flips it for a much better margin than weed that's actually worth smoking.

Another thing to think about...

Who makes more money? R.J. Reynolds or the independent tobacco growers? Who do you think works harder?

Wouldn't you suspect that cig manufacturers have much more capital invested than retailers? IMO, "hard" is relative. Tough to quantify.

Do you actually work hard? Ever sweat on your product?

25% retail to growers and 4x markup to consumers...

IMO, supplier and or consumer is/are getting a raw deal.

 

[justalilrowdy]

I didn't say that is how they conduct themselves. I said that is what 215 is about and it does happen and we do have compassionate clubs here as well as the profiteers. I wasn't attacking you.. only making a statement on my thoughts. I am sorry for you that you live in such a greed dominated location. That sux.

 

[justalilrowdy]

I hope the bottom totally drops out and it brings no more than wheat or corn.

 

[dagnabit]

back to black and white....
"I'm just sittin here watching the wheels go round and round"

Is there really a point to all this?
We disagree on the outcome of an improbale hypothetical.
Spinning wheels acomplishes nothing.
The only way either of us will ever be proven is if whatever your definition of legal ever happens.
While I hope and pray for that blessed day. I live in the world where it's a far fetched notion(if I'm correct in assuming by legal you mean complete federal unscheduling)
What is your definition?
Is it federal medical?
State decrim?
Complete deregulation?
For honest discourse one must define terms.
So you provide the definition of legal and we will discuss like adults?
Fair enough

 

[dagnabit]

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[DiscoBiscuit]

Hahahahaha!!!!

Open your eyes!!! Have you been to any of the dispensaries in So. Cal.? "We are suppose to be here as COMPASSIONATE health givers." Who are you kidding LOL

I love what you say... But its not how real life works... And its not whats happening

I can feel compassion for you and take your money at the same time... Compassion does not mean cheap LOL

I think it does mean non-profit. I borrow the op's reference.

If one's non-profit is charging 4x retail, they ain't non-profit. IMO, costs are penciled or books are duplicated. One book is public and the other is not unlike mob accounting, nobody sees em but the principals.

Anyways... Theres alot more to what I posted than just tobacco that you totally missed LOL

I think you referenced hard and that's relative. Besides, comparing a multi-billion dollar cig manufacturer with tobacco farmers (and ultimately mmj clerks) is a little tilted, don't ya think?

 

[Hydrosun]

R.J. Reynolds is a killer and that's on them. The comparison thing always kills me.. no disrespect intended but it's called the "compassionate use act" and it truly brings relief to many many people. No comparison to the tobacco industry. Why compare it? Who cares who makes more in their deadly industry? There is no justifying greed by comparing it to greed. We are suppose to be here as COMPASSIONATE health givers.
It has been a battle and the "providers" who are here gouging people under the disguise of 215 are no better than the tobacco or pharmaceutical or any destructive industrial giant.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think you have the right to tell another person how they may garden and what they may do with their harvests?

If CA voters passed the "Free Cannabis For All Act" does that mean I am required to give away my home grown cannabis?

You know how I've never been gouged for weed? I grow my own. You know how others can keep themselves and their loved ones from being gouged? They can grow their own.

But your suggestion of some moral authority correcting the evils of the market is scary and dangerous. If you don't like a price look elsewhere, don't bring in your thugs and guns to so "COMPASSION."

 

[justalilrowdy]

LMAO! wow how hilarious! I am telling no one how to garden. I am stating an opinion here. If you think ill people who could benefit from our medicine have never been gouged that is a joke! The profiteers always protest the loudest. People don't benefit when its too expensive! I know many people who voted for the compassionate use act but not the big profiteering clubs. When it has no more value than a commodity more will benefit. That is it's purpose and you seem to have lost sight of that.
peace and good thoughts.. lmao

 

[420247]

I think it does mean non-profit. I borrow the op's reference.

If one's non-profit is charging 4x retail, they ain't non-profit. IMO, costs are penciled or books are duplicated. One book is public and the other is not unlike mob accounting, nobody sees em but the principals.



I think you referenced hard and that's relative. Besides, comparing a multi-billion dollar cig manufacturer with tobacco farmers (and ultimately mmj clerks) is a little tilted, don't ya think?

I think you need to learn more about NPO's

http://managementhelp.org/org_thry/np_thry/np_intro.htm#anchor247079

Sufficient Resources to Pay Leadership May Be Lacking

With lack of sufficient moneys, attracting and retaining paid management also can be problematic. Hard work with little career development opportunity encourages turnover of chief executives and staff. This can stall the organization's work. Expertise that is brought in to advise the management may be lost once that leadership leaves.

http://content.opportunityknocks.org/2009/06/12/top-earners-in-nonprofit-health-care/

Top Earners in Nonprofit Health Care By Michael Randall

To most people, the terms “nonprofit” or “not-for-profit” imply a bare-bones operation. There are hundreds of them around here: a couple of paid staffers and a bunch of volunteers working out of a cheaply rented storefront on a shoestring budget, trying to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless or give inner-city kids an alternative to hanging out on the streets.

But not-for-profits also include organizations with multimillion-dollar budgets and executives who pull down six-figure salaries. This is especially true in the hospital and health-care fields.

Among the Record’s findings:



•The number of six-figure salaries in the local nonprofit sector has more than doubled in the past four years. A Record survey in 2003 found 91 local nonprofit staffers pulling down compensation of $100,000 or more. In 2007, the number of nonprofit workers in that income bracket grew to 206.

•Locally, 648 people earned anywhere from $50 a year as a vice president of a volunteer fire department to $655,260 paid to Donna McAleer as the CEO of the Goshen-based chain of Elant nursing homes in 2007, the most recent year for which full details were available.

•The top of the local list is dominated by hospital and health-care executives and physicians. Eight of the top 10, 18 of the top 20 and nearly three-quarters of the top 100 work in some capacity in health care.

•A recently completed Internal Revenue Service study of nonprofit hospitals found the average total compensation for top managers was $490,000. Based on that figure, three local hospital heads were above average in 2007.



Source: Times Herald-Record

 

[Hydrosun]

I didn't say that is how they conduct themselves. I said that is what 215 is about and it does happen and we do have compassionate clubs here as well as the profiteers. I wasn't attacking you.. only making a statement on my thoughts. I am sorry for you that you live in such a greed dominated location. That sux.

Again who the fuck cares what 215 is "all about." Please don't feel sorry that I live in such a greed dominated location. Instead feel sorry that I live under the threat of imprisonment and the laws of this land are unconstitutionally impinging on my liberty.

The market sets price, but evil men write the laws. You would have me believe that a benevolent spirit authors law while just and righteous men defend the weak from the greedy. Sorry but Fantasyland is closed for remodeling, check back in a few dozen generations.

 

[justalilrowdy]

I care what 215 is about even if you don't.. I know the benefits of the medicine and it should be affordable or free to all who need it. Not ruled by greedy individuals who only want to profit. I can't change the whole world.. only my world and it provides affordable or free medicine when people need it.
peace

 

[dagnabit]

I think it does mean non-profit. I borrow the op's reference.

If one's non-profit is charging 4x retail, they ain't non-profit. IMO, costs are penciled or books are duplicated. One book is public and the other is not unlike mob accounting, nobody sees em but the principals.



I think you referenced hard and that's relative. Besides, comparing a multi-billion dollar cig manufacturer with tobacco farmers (and ultimately mmj clerks) is a little tilted, don't ya think?

I don't like agreeing with this cat....
But +1

 

[Hydrosun]

LMAO! wow how hilarious! I am telling no one how to garden. I am stating an opinion here. If you think ill people who could benefit from our medicine have never been gouged that is a joke! The profiteers always protest the loudest. People don't benefit when its too expensive! I know many people who voted for the compassionate use act but not the big profiteering clubs. When it has no more value than a commodity more will benefit. That is it's purpose and you seem to have lost sight of that.
peace and good thoughts.. lmao

No dude, there is no purpose. No more than there is a purpose to a rock on a mountainside or grain of sand on the beach. This is a plant, a living organism, with no greater purpose than it sprung to life with thousands of years ago. There is no purpose, because you and I are sovereign and autonomous. The group of clowns that vote one way or another has no moral authority over my actions.

You are not free to legislate morality or confiscate production. If you don't like how some operate their businesses then do a better job than them and put them out of business, but again please leave your thugs, pigs, politicians, and guns out of it. If you truly have the moral high ground you would not stoop to the use of force.