Is Nevilles Haze still the strongest haze?

[Dalaihempy]

JKD,
While I type this I´m smoking some TomHill´s Haze...it´s pure sativa and it´s phckn awesome
well,the term Haze has been widely used in a loose way IMO
So,to answer your question:
pure Haze,TomHill´s
(mostly) Haze hybrid,MNS Neville´s Haze

Quote from tom hill


Toms Haze info.


I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
heads

Best Regards,
Tom



posies spec for haze used to be:-

Mostly Mexican and Colombian some southern Indian and Thai A pure breeding stabilised hybrid pure sativa appearance many slim flowers can be lime green, dark green, silver blue or purple smell/taste Incredible sticky sweet. almost sweet and sour smell high very potent, clear up, energetic high
height 2 -3 metres
yield med - high
harvest date Netherlands natural photo period - end December
12 hr exposure to harvest 12 to 16 weeks




What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it
to them after the mid 1980's. They crossed Haze with a local Pars
Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color.
FYI, Purple Haze was sold in the early 1970's by the Haze Brothers
in Santa Cruz, I should know I smoked it back then every day for
years....
BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did
not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was
pure Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to
lose.
I also like the Silver Blue, and Lime Green Haze better then the
Purple Haze, because they were more up, clear, and energetic in the
high. But the Purple may have been the strongest Haze and got the top
prices. It also looked great.
Did eneyone ever hear the band the Original Haze? Jerry Miller from
the Moby Grape started the group in the 70's after smoking the
Original Haze in Santa Cruz. He loved the Haze and bought a lot!!!

SamS




Roco im starting to think you are a Neville hater and almost under the imprestion you wouldnt know a haze if it fell out of the sky and landed on you lol.

How in gods name could you grow an aleged pure haze out doors in amsterdam roco not going to happen is it.

50% haze hybrids like ssh and mangohaze and a few others i have go to 16 weeks and over so as you see roco even tom belives its not pure sed so in his post above.

No way will a pure haze finish in the dam come on roco lift your game lol.

 

[Raco]

"I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
heads

Best Regards,
Tom "

Where does Tom say that he believes that his haze is not pure??^^

and yes,Holland is a good place to grow mushrooms hehe

 

[Mr.Meds]

 

[robbiedublu]

Amazing thread. Thanks everyone for putting all of this info out there. Hard to believe but some of you all must be even older than me !! I ordered and grew out "mixed sativa diva" seeds from Neville in 1985 but didn't keep anything. All anyone wanted then was indica / skunk. Silly me.

 

[Dalaihempy]

"I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
heads

Best Regards,
Tom "

Where does Tom say that he believes that his haze is not pure??^^

and yes,Holland is a good place to grow mushrooms hehe

Well roco maybe i miss read that but i came to the conclution from this by sam ..What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it to them after the mid 1980's.
They crossed Haze with a local Pars Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color.

And the fact toms line has purple plants in it showing up often and is controluble unlike growing nh indoors and this from sam ....BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was pure
Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to lose.

Tells me to.


But i would infact grow toms line my self .

 

[Cinderella99]

"Sam said himself here at IC that Haze '69 stock from the H.Bros existed and that he has or had seeds from that year. Now,Sam only first mentioned the date 1969 (regarding Haze/and its development) ..after..Shanti first mentioned this date here on the IC forums. I can't say for sure Sam hadn't mentioned the '69 date before Shanti but in my years on canna forums I have never seen him mention this date or have heard a different medium where he mentioned it , before Shanti first posted it. So I would love to see if anyone has found something different on that. Any takers?"

I'll take a stab at it: I think what explains this discrepancy is not so much dishonesty on the part of Sam (which so many are so quick to claim), but us getting hung up on the term haze and trying to parse retroactive nomenclature that's been applied for the purposes of marketing (as has been pointed out already) with historical legend for marketing purposes. Making this retro haze name branding (from the 80's IMO) try to jibe with numerous historical variations makes liars out of folks with THC addled memories.

Why, I just had to correct my dates on when I recalled NLxHaze to have been considered the best practical haze, and I'm certain that I don't smoke a quarter of the amount of herb that Sam does, nor have I been smoking it as long. No offence I33t, but the way I see it is that many of these attempts (intentional or not) to discredit Sam's integrity seem to me to be inextricably related to what camp folks like to identify with.

The Haze Brothers could very well be fictitious and the story of them producing the first "haze" could have more to do with a marketing effort to capitalize on the song "Purple Haze" (which Hendrix has admitted had nothing to do with MJ), helping seed sales of a some loosely knit Sativa strains from NorCal than actual history. But then again, I'm a skeptic at heart.

Let's examine some nomenclature here: 1) The title of this thread is a complex question 2) By haze being called "haze" it necessitates a relationship with the "Haze Brothers".

I33t: Please, per your previous post, let's please keep historical interpretation and things that can so easily develop into pissing matches out of the mix. This thread is really turning out nicely

"We all stand on each others' shoulders"

-Sam S

 

[Sativa_Grows]

neville haze didn't come from sams haze... It was a strain highly regarded by a native american tribe which was gifted to someone who crossed to northern lights #5 and then brought those beans to a seed swap resulting in neville crossing it with SSH to finish it.

Not even close

 

[bigherb]

Sam said himself here at IC that Haze '69 stock from the H.Bros existed and that he has or had seeds from that year


first i recall of that

that convinces me more that nev's story true

1luvbigherb

 

[Cinderella99]

Yea bgh, unless it was a bungled attempt to perpetuate the retro "haze" brand marketing..I don't know, mang

Dude, no offense, but either you OR Hempy HAVE to use spell check...I can't do both

C'mon Sam, Shanti why don't you guys just fess up here LOL

 

[happyhi]

fat one on a clear winter day, laughing so hard your jaw hurt, being so happy you thought you could fly, but fortunately when you tried it was from low altitude.
was it the haze that i remember or just my youth?
it was both~! gotta love all the energy, hopefully i will be able to make
one of OJD"s parties and relive the experience.
peace/hh

 

[Cinderella99]

fat one on a clear winter day, laughing so hard your jaw hurt, being so happy you thought you could fly, but fortunately when you tried it was from low altitude.
was it the haze that i remember or just my youth?
it was both~! gotta love all the energy, hopefully i will be able to make
one of OJD"s parties and relive the experience.
peace/hh

That's just it too, hh...I think a fair amount of the pursuit of the "haze" holy grail is in fact a pursuit of the highs we experienced through our youthful bodies and minds-- a veritable pursuit of the fountain of youth, eh?

Yea, bgh...It's like that Twilight Zone "Kick The Can" episode

 

[Raco]

happyhi,
AF is currently working with a two-hits Punto Rojo selection
stay tuned

a couple Q´s for the haze experts:
When was NH first released? year?
When was the Hz x Nl#1 dropped?

 

[indifferent]

I don't recall their being a Haze x NL#1, there was a Haze x NL#5, that cross was made I 1988 and Neville did the large grow of those seeds from which the parental selections for NH, SSH and Mango Haze were made in 1989.

Haze x NL#5 became known around Amsterdam as Neville's Haze.

The strain with the name Neville's Haze was bred during his years at GHS, 95-99, it was released in either 98 or 99 but wasn't entered in the cup, SSH was and it won twice in consecutive years.

 

[eugenegreen]

happyhi,
AF is currently working with a two-hits Punto Rojo selection
stay tuned

a couple Q´s for the haze experts:
When was NH first released? year?
When was the Hz x Nl#1 dropped?

Raco, I think it was in the 90's brother... Maybe 95... Though it was probably released before that, so maybe early 90's....

*edit* not too sure on exact release dates for neville actually, but ssh won 3 consecutive cannabis cups (cough cough, ahem GH cups), a 3peat, right around the time the Bulls won their 2nd 3 peat

 

[Cinderella99]

I am no expert of anything... But, Raco's joking, mangs-- late date on NH and no "5" in NL proves his point LOL

 

[eugenegreen]

I am no expert of anything... But, Raco's joking, mangs-- late date on NH proves his point LOL

Yeah, I figured that just after posting... Damn you Raco! Ahaaahaahaaa

 

[Raco]

LOL ^
I find this Tom´s Haze highly inspirational
jokes apart, I bet that the Punto Rojo above mentioned is killer...no shit dudes

my good friend rasjano did a TomHill´s Hz female x Ot1´s Haze male cross
lookin forward to see the results

Original haze by Tom Hill

 

[Bonehead]

Does anyone have any idea how old Sam's OH/SK seeds are?Also,could I find some almost pure Haze(characteristics)with a little weight, in the F2s?

 

[happyhi]

i know nothing, i see nothing, i hear nothing, after 1981.
i finally got my sight back and the landscape changed.

it's all clearing up now, oops i better run off and burn another.

i did see some pics in another thread awhile back that someone posted
showing a stem with blood red sap, the last time i saw that was when i
was growing the haze, it was one of the characteristics of one of the four
varieties.
somewhere there are some pics of me with a room full of it drying, i am going to
find it one of these days and post it for all you history buffs.

and yes, it is just our youthful memories, no doubt about it. the truth of the matter is much of todays herb is much stronger than the haze in a different way. it is much more
debilitating, not as uplifting, which is also just a function of being an old fart.

to those that want to pigeon hole the haze, stop trying. There is no PURE haze the term is an oxymoron, it was never a PURE plant ever. And believe me when i tell you, the guy who happened upon it is no botanist, he was just a young surfer who got lucky!

People like tom hill, whose plants i have only seen via photo are clearly working to develop plants which may be pure sativa, and if that translates to pure haze for some of you wtf, rock on. Like most have said, pure sativa plants require a great deal of patience, can you imagine sitting on your grow from may thru the harvest moon in december? That's how long it took to finish, not very practical if you're doing it commercially. That is why, imo, so much of what has been developed was focused on couch lock and shortening the timing. Today people are working hard to unlock the magic of effect, which can vary greatly as we all know.
the next special plant is just around the corner, when you find it share it, that's what the magic is all about, at least it was.
peace/hh

 

[indifferent]

This Purple Thai had red sap,looked like it was bleeding when it was topped.

Plenty of us have the patience to mess with sativas indoors, this forum is full of indoor sativa grows, but pure Haze is a waste of time under lights, Sam said so himself, which means the closest for us stuck with indoors under lights is something like Neville's Haze, that NL infusion makes all the difference!

So if Tom Hill can selectively breed a Haze for indoors that is truly high quality then it's something I want to grow and I know many others feel the same!