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watts

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No such thing as Nationalism in the U.S. - Our government cares more about social status and money, not nation. We "sell our goods" via foreign trade with billions changing hands. You get any? Nobody represents U.S. citizens anymore.
 
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Would think that few would speak of him with favor.
The more I read, the better I think of him.
A flawed man with admirable values.

You don't get to be a general without being flawed, but having a person with his values in that position of power was the most important thing in the end.
 

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White Beard

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Would think that few would speak of him with favor.
The more I read, the better I think of him.
A flawed man with admirable values.

Given the age, and the state of the nation at the time (which was very much anti-integration, for example), I think he holds up very well in retrospect. We are ALL flawed : actual VALUES are rare, and admirable values - and the courage to stick by them - will make or break any of us.

The man of record, IMO, is nothing like the white supremacists of the time - when lynchings, beatings, murders and riots were the tools the “good Christian white people” used on the daily...and in studying him, I see no evidence that he was ever part of that mob, or would be part of the current Nazi recrudescence.

Then again, Christians have spent the last 40-50 years converting Jesus into just another stormtrooper, so ‘opinions’ will certainly vary
 

Gry

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Violence is inherent within the system - if we could remove the violent part of the brain and replace it with more of the loving/caring part before birth - would be a good basis for the start of UTOPIA.

Ahh - but then I'm getting into Eugenics - and that really upsets a lot of people - so it seems - well so does violence - its ruining many lives every minute of every hour of every day - 24/7 - 365 days of every year - and its been going on since the dawn of human existence.
 

TychoMonolyth

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How times have changed. Grew up on a military installation as kid.
In my day had an adult slapped the kid no one would have said a
word to him. By the same token, had he done that amount of harm,
I am not sure there would have ever been enough left of him to
take into custody.

Ah... but it wasn't his kid. I freak out enough when I see someone hit their own. I would have fucked him up.

There's no reason in the world to hit a kid other than to teach them how to solve a problem. And it's a shitty solution at that.

Violence is inherent within the system - if we could remove the violent part of the brain and replace it with more of the loving/caring part before birth - would be a good basis for the start of UTOPIA.

Ahh - but then I'm getting into Eugenics - and that really upsets a lot of people - so it seems - well so does violence - its ruining many lives every minute of every hour of every day - 24/7 - 365 days of every year - and its been going on since the dawn of human existence.
Violence is taught. It's programmed into us.
 

Mr. J

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Violence isn't taught. It's a natural instinct programmed into us by billions of years of evolution. The only reason you would think so is because you live in a soft pampered world. You wouldn't exist if your ancestors weren't violent because they'd have been eaten by a bear or starved to death.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Well - I am imagining a utopian future - and no doubt we have managed to get where we are today - with the use and abuse of violence - But what I'm thinking about is the future - what we need for it to be able to safeguard that future from our own destructive selves - because for all of my life we have been under the threat of a sudden cataclysmic destruction of humanity - by our own hand -


- and no - I haven't lived in a soft/pampered world all of my life - I grew up in a VERY violent situation - broken home -violent parents - particularly my Father - and even at school we were ritually and thoroughly beaten on a regular basis - for stuff such as throwing sticks into a tree - and flooding the bathroom - my teen years and well into my 20's and 30's I saw and occasionally was a part of some violence too - some of it acting in movies - but quite a few bar room brawls etc - then all the violence in jail on top of that - right up till 3 years ago - when I was released - and still I see and hear violence going on - and even increasing in London - where I live.


If violence is programmed into us - can it not be programmed out?


Violence isn't taught. It's a natural instinct programmed into us by billions of years of evolution. The only reason you would think so is because you live in a soft pampered world. You wouldn't exist if your ancestors weren't violent because they'd have been eaten by a bear or starved to death.
 

CaptainDankness

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Violence is inherent within the system - if we could remove the violent part of the brain and replace it with more of the loving/caring part before birth - would be a good basis for the start of UTOPIA.

Ahh - but then I'm getting into Eugenics - and that really upsets a lot of people - so it seems - well so does violence - its ruining many lives every minute of every hour of every day - 24/7 - 365 days of every year - and its been going on since the dawn of human existence.
Ahh, but we might be able to introduce psychedelics at a younger age and mold them into a positive mindset. I'm sure not too many parents would be alright with us feeding kids mushrooms and dancing around fire though. Lol, them inner city black kids would have their minds blown though. Lol


It actually might work, they've used mushrooms on violent inmates and it was an improvement. Really that Iboga shit is supposed to completely cure addiction too, after one strong trip supposedly no more withdrawals and you don't even want to do heroin anymore. Fuck the dangers of Ibogaine, these people are dropping like flies.
 

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Ahh, but we might be able to introduce psychedelics at a younger age and mold them into a positive mindset. I'm sure not too many parents would be alright with us feeding kids mushrooms and dancing around fire though. Lol, them inner city black kids would have their minds blown though. Lol


It actually might work, they've used mushrooms on violent inmates and it was an improvement. Really that Iboga shit is supposed to completely cure addiction too, after one strong trip supposedly no more withdrawals and you don't even want to do heroin anymore. Fuck the dangers of Ibogaine, these people are dropping like flies.


Normally I would say psychedelics are good for everyone.


I see no sign of them having a positive effect on you.
 

Mr. J

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If violence is programmed into us - can it not be programmed out?
No. We've made it to the top of the heap because our ancestors were smart enough to use violence better than all the other animals, despite being much less suited to it physically.

We would be some other species by the time violence has been bred out and by then we wouldn't be equipped to survive in the real world, only the imaginary utopian you dream of.
 

CaptainDankness

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Normally I would say psychedelics are good for everyone.


I see no sign of them having a positive effect on you.
Are you kidding me? I'm literally the chillest person I know and I used to be an asshole, but I haven't been in a fight in about 8 years. I have thrown a guy in a choke but yeah, settle down. I tend to think I'm humane about killing my food too.
 

bigtacofarmer

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Are you kidding me? I'm literally the chillest person I know and I used to be an asshole, but I haven't been in a fight in about 8 years. I have thrown a guy in a choke but yeah, settle down. I tend to think I'm humane about killing my food too.

Go back and read everything you have to say. In this thread and others.


Look at how you present yourself. Already today you have talked about drugging and raping your wife and made derogatory remarks about gays and wine.
 

CaptainDankness

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No. We've made it to the top of the heap because our ancestors were smart enough to use violence better than all the other animals, despite being much less suited to it physically.

We would be some other species by the time violence has been bred out and by then we wouldn't be equipped to survive in the real world, only the imaginary utopian you dream of.
I say we should have sprayed the Muslims with LSD during the Arab Spring. We could have turned that Arab Spring into the Arab Summer of Love!! We would have more then just the military in on the action. I'd be selling sheets of acid, America would be lame, who doesn't want to ride a camel on acid with some Arab girl? :biggrin:
 
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