Info on Todd McCormick Original Haze

[harvestreaper]

The Mother of Nevils haze is the 5HzA (not the clone getting around) so yes it does be it a small %, but I actually dislike NL and if I picked up even a small % of it in the high, I would have canned it like I did the SSH.

What you see in the top pick are the two sides of Haze used being the HzA and the HzC the Colombian and Thai sides.

Top left is the Colombian side of Nevil Haze, bottom right is a fully seeded Thai.

Close up of the Thai.

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a pure thai huh ?well i got that wrong ha but you get the point i was trying to make on appearances ,,didnt think for a minute youd select for anything other than sativa highs hempy lol yes those 17 /7 times are intriguing for sure an i look forward to hearing more

 

[@hempy]

All the NH flower for 19 weeks and over even at 7/17 of lights on, oddly the reduced lights on in flower helps with the flower running less and the plants being a lot more manageable.

The Thais hate the 7/17, but they were also flowered very small when I put them into flower, but I was not after yield as I was pollinating them for seed.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

These are from Todd Mccormicks original haze?

Yes, preordered when he first released them around the early covid days.

Looks great , but is this Pure Original Haze ? , looks like a Haze hybrid ?, and is it not the Nevil Haze x Original Haze that Tod was selling as pure Original Haze in the beginning as shown by hempy on 1st post ? , I know Tod changed that description later on ?

Anyway looks nice either way

Hi and thanks OJD. Based on my reading of the history, while it’s easy to say pure ohaze should be genetically uncontaminated from the original population Sam preserved, in reality I don’t think we are even close to a consistent consensus on what people believe is a phenotypical trait of “pure original haze”, despite how passionately people seem to portray their subjective truth as the only truth. I see a big divide between the opinions of American and European growers, and frankly those discussions far too frequently confuse fact with opinion, and ego with experience.

As for the seeds I got from Todd, youll have to ask Todd. My understanding is that Sam gave the seeds to Todd. Mel Frank Rob Clarke selected them (edit: thanks Hempy). And Sam has commented within the past year or so confirming those facts and claiming that Todd (and Mel Rob by association) has done a “good job” with the repro. I haven’t heard much other first-hand information on the AGOHaze, but if you have more I would certainly love to hear it.

Given that the expression of a population is entirely dependent on the selections made, and we are talking about a population that has been inbred for half a century… and further segregated by different reproductive with different goals… not to mention environmental impacts on the growing side, in my case being grown indoors, under LED, under 11/13 cycle, etc… “looks” can be helpful, but may not be sufficient to tell the whole story.

But I have no stake in what this is or isn’t. I am just happy with the smoke.

I haven't grown the modern version of the MH, but the original Mango Haze F1s test seed all flowered from 16 weeks and up some close to or just over 20 from seed. They had no ceiling to the high but like all hybrids including Haze selections is key.

A good Mango Haze will smoke as strong as the best Nevil Haze or Haze.

That is good to know. I am sure I didn’t get a great selection. I don’t have the room for big runs, so I take what I can get.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

I believe Todd made most of the seeds he sold outdoors from seedstock provided by Sam. He's posted IG pics of his place in the Bay Area. I shudder to think how much stray pollen is floating around the Bay Area at any given time, most of it Indica-contamination from the usual OG Kush/Cookies/Gelato suspects. I'd wager that's where the hybrids in his OH come from.

 

[harvestreaper]

this reminded me a lil of the pheno you showed tyrone ,,this was pheno 7 from todds sadly hermied but was nice smoke

 

[@hempy]

That is good to know. I am sure I didn’t get a great selection. I don’t have the room for big runs, so I take what I can get.

It's one of my favourite lines, hopefully if you run it again you find your self a better example.

 

[@hempy]

Sam gave Todd the seed and Rob Clark did the selections.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Sam gave Todd the seed and Rob Clark did the selections.

Thank you for that. You are absolutely right. I have a pack of Mel’s Congolese on my desk and my brain went on autopilot.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

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this reminded me a lil of the pheno you showed tyrone ,,this was pheno 7 from todds sadly hermied but was nice smoke

How was the aroma and the effect?

Mine were mildly citrusy and herbal with a mentholated spice until week 16 and then they shifted to spicy incense with a complex but delicious bouquet of subtleties that I can’t name. Some woodiness. All savory and no sweet.

Everything is still curing up, but so far my favorite jars are from the week 17 harvest.

 

[harvestreaper]

How was the aroma and the effect?

Mine were mildly citrusy and herbal with a mentholated spice until week 16 and then they shifted to spicy incense with a complex but delicious bouquet of subtleties that I can’t name. Some woodiness. All savory and no sweet.

Everything is still curing up, but so far my favorite jars are from the week 17 harvest.
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they sound great ,,here i had fruit,metalshop leather etc rootbeer cant remember the 7 might of been the rootbeer i had 3 5 7 i wanted to keep trying but 5 an 7 kept going hermi and thats only reason i culled them ,,the 3 i kept also complex but with the classic leather haze type aromas with some kinda fruit no sharpness very tasty stuff ,,has a long lasting effect columbian dom a little heaviness at end i like her at 16 weeks

 

[Farmer John]

Grabs a seat.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Is the evidence in the room with us right now?

 

[Dime]

I have seen solid evidence to support the conclusion that this "Todd McCormick" character is undercover LEO. The very fact that he is claiming to offer "original Haze" from Skunkman ought to be a bright flashing red clue to those who are clued in. Nothing this cat says--or those he claims to vouch for--can be trusted. Stay the hell away from this guy.

I will say nothing more, in this thread at least. Those of you who might be concerned about doing business with undercover LEO should read the thread I posted a few days ago.

Didn't he do 5 years for growing 4k plants and Woody Harrelson financed his defence?

 

[nepalnt21]

@red eye joe

not that i'm saying you're a kook that makes shit up, but i think it's only fair we be shown the evidence to make up our minds

 

[@hempy]

I look at it realistically, most if not all these breeders or seed retailers will ever be part of our lives or have shit to do with any of us apart from nice to met you at a Cannabis type event or them answering a question put to them regarding one of their products/ lines.

They are running a business full stop research the lines you want order what you want and live life.

Unless you become close friends over a long period of time, none of us know the background or history of them.

 

[JetLife175]

I have seen solid evidence to support the conclusion that this "Todd McCormick" character is undercover LEO. The very fact that he is claiming to offer "original Haze" from Skunkman ought to be a bright flashing red clue to those who are clued in. Nothing this cat says--or those he claims to vouch for--can be trusted. Stay the hell away from this guy.

I will say nothing more, in this thread at least. Those of you who might be concerned about doing business with undercover LEO should read the thread I posted a few days ago.

The guy did years in the feds and served his time.

I can't believe this is still happening in this day and age.


Can we get the ban hammer out? I can't even believe that I'm saying that but this guy has been an issue since his first post.

 

[JetLife175]

Didn't he do 5 years for growing 4k plants and Woody Harrelson financed his defence?

Yes.

The guy gave up a lot of time and fought for this plant. He's been a pivotal character in legalization. Guy is off his rocker making these claims.

 

[harvestreaper]

I have seen solid evidence to support the conclusion that this "Todd McCormick" character is undercover LEO. The very fact that he is claiming to offer "original Haze" from Skunkman ought to be a bright flashing red clue to those who are clued in. Nothing this cat says--or those he claims to vouch for--can be trusted. Stay the hell away from this guy.

I will say nothing more, in this thread at least. Those of you who might be concerned about doing business with undercover LEO should read the thread I posted a few days ago.

1,,,sam has confirmed he gave him seeds,,,2,,,,weeds legal in usa

 

[eastcoastjoe]

There's your sign



Really? Might want to check again.

You must be the guy on Instagram trying to start a smear campaign against Todd because you determined your veg plants weren’t the real NL

 

[eastcoastjoe]

So you claim. But the more we study these people and all of the bullshit they post, the more we find out it's bullshit.

You ever heard of Pacer ? Look it up for yourself. The man served over 4 years on a 5 year sentence