Info on The Real Seed Company?

[funkyhorse]

Satva, Randy and everybody: The Punto Rojo and colombian varieties subject is super interesting, it deserves its own thread.

I see I am not the only fan who smoked old Punto Rojo and misses it

The more you post, the more questions will arise like for instance: Zamalito selections were the ones offered by Breeders Choice Organization?


The Real Seed Co doesnt have any south american and they specialize in Asian varieties which is a very interesting subject as well and there are new questions arising for instance:

Ngakpa said the interview was erased but I am seeing it up online. Check it out again

 

[ngakpa]

Ngakpa said the interview was erased but I am seeing it up online. Check it out again

think you misread what I wrote

 

[funkyhorse]

It seems I misread what you wrote
But I didnt misread different masters which I respect refering to you as having Asperger Syndrome and being lightly used
There are some coincidences between neuroscience and cannabis.
Neuroscience dont understand how the brain works and they create myths
Science dont fully understand entheogens and myths are constantly created

Asperger syndrome has been taken down of the DSM-V in may 2013 as a diagnose entity because of the bastardization of the diagnose, as this is clearly the case.
When you call people like Einstein, Bill Gates "asperger", you are just hurting those kids and those parents who are having a difficult time dealing with life giving them fake hope, people simply like looking at themselves at a wrong mirror
People who clearly show an IQ of 140 or over are gifted people. Life might be a little easier for someone gifted than for the rest, and sometimes being an erudite on a subject and showing authority on it is being taken as arrogance.
It is certainly difficult to be humble with knowdledge and transmit it in a way that does not sound patronizing. This is the biggest challenge an erudite has

Master Ngakpa, I am quite sure all of the people reading and posting here understand clearly the difference between a landrace and that crosses are not. But a hybrid made of unavailable landraces is certainly a jewel that attracts interest, and I am afraid that this remarking and pointing out on that is not the most important thing, today landraces are getting lost everywhere and myths are being created by the minute and hystorical facts are being distorted, can we talk about this??
Can we try to dissent with respect without agression? Some historical facts not written in the books stir emotions and generate controversy and this is not my intention at all. But some things are wrong and after reading the first 100 pages of the thread Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid I think it is important to point out because history is always written by the winners and there was a losing side who has a history to tell as well


For instance, I just read a post with this link from Robert C Clarke:
http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/jiha6211.html

When I realize that I am contemporary of the leading figures of the cannabis world and that I have been at the same places and at the same time as them, is when I understand that I am getting old. I didnt know Dali-Lijiang route was being promoted at that time on High Times as marihuana tourism. And that poster said based on this article that hemp gives a perceived high, which is wrong
I am of those marihuana backpackers Robert C Clarke mentions. The greatest atraction of Dali was the possiblity to have the best standard of living in the planet for under 5u$s a day, it beated India or Nepal for that money. I am afraid the tourists going to Dali were not reading High Times but the bible was The Lonely Planet: Living on a Shoestring for 5-10u$s a day
What R.C.Clarke describes is the surface. If you could communicate in basic mandarin with the locals, different doors open and you could access decent and top quality laotian ganja and even opium if you wanted too

Wars destroyed many landraces. And the final touch was made by backpackers bringing seeds from other areas to landrace locations. If you go today to Kashgar, you will be offered "colombian"


Master Ngakpa: where did you source your Sinai and what year?

 

[mexcurandero420]

The heirloom variety Friesland indica on the other website is not an autoflower.Its just a regular indica variety.

 

[tcherno]

Remember that Asperger's is a broad spectrum, condescending genius is not a standard, I am very well placed to know, I have been diagnosed, and I am not part of the 140 QI club

I find it curious to say this about Ngapka, it's perfectly disrespectful and stupid... we're on a cannabic forum, not psychiatric I'll make sure to post some more pleasant things next time,

Good karma to all... except trolls

 

[Ncali]

Remember that Asperger's is a broad spectrum, condescending genius is not a standard, I am very well placed to know, I have been diagnosed, and I am not part of the 140 QI club

I find it curious to say this about Ngapka, it's perfectly disrespectful and stupid... we're on a cannabic forum, not psychiatric I'll make sure to post some more pleasant things next time,

Good karma to all... except trolls

I have to quote this, I cant agree more that it is extremely disrespectful. Even the most talented and highly regarded professionals would be aghast to even insinuate possible diagnosis outside of a clinical or medical setting for people who are not a patient under thier direct care.



Know what its called when someone who is not a professional does this? It is called slander.


Lets fucking talk about cannabis.

 

[ngakpa]

thanks, and apologies to folks reading this who do really have Aspergers or similar and are seeing it exploited in this way

it's sick behaviour and bad for everyone involved

but it seems mods are not going to do anything about these users and are going to let them stay, sadly

so, the best thing is to ignore the trolls, ie just don't reply to them


edit: looks like they may have deleted the posts

 

[ngakpa]

If you go today to Kashgar, you will be offered "colombian"

I would bet a good amount of money that if you go to Kashgar today, you will very definitely not be offered Colombian or anything called Colombian

where did you source your Sinai and what year?

I've asked the collector, as I remember that there were several accessions from several years, but don't remember precisely when

 

[funkyhorse]

Uyghur people live and travel all over China. Back in 2008 I smoked with them paraguayan sativa brick, they liked it and they kept the seeds. I was just having a good time back then with them and had no clue about landraces and the implication of leaving those seeds
I for sure wasnt the only one sitting with them and enjoying some foreign weed and leaving seeds

Since 2010 there is an increase of western tourism in China. Shanghai in summertime get loads of american students, it seems to have become trendy and popular destination

I have seen myself how the kids exchange seeds with uyghur people and how they remain in contact by mobiles and keep sending and exchanging seeds and foreign buds too. Those tourists demand is for the foreign hybrids and not for their local Xingjianese variety which is closer to hemp. The quality of the stuff xingjianese offer lately is much better than before, which is a clear sign of hybridization and loss of the local hemp variety


Today the last real landraces left uncontaminated in the planet you might find in places isolated and without tourism or wars. Sulawesi, Palaos maybe Timor are better bets than Kashgar. In China the last place left untouched is Northeastern China(Dongbei)

 

[ngakpa]

annecdotal stuff like this - ie., 'I gave some Paraguayan seeds to some Uyghur migrant labourers' is fine, everybody knows modern hybrid seed is everwhere these days

but extrapolating from that to grand proclamations about the cannabis economy in Xinjiang is altogether another thing...

Xinjiang is 1.665 million km² - how much of its cannabis have you observed directly, on the ground?

fact is, no outsiders have observed never mind studied what is happening with cannabis production in Xinjiang right now because it's essentially impossible... assuming there even is any

the entire place is in lockdown and has been turned into a surveillance state, with upwards of a million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in concentration camps

but as for landraces and modern hybrids, at some point I will have something done addressing this type of annecdotal approach, as it even finds its way into otherwise good studies like the ones by McPartland

 

[ngakpa]

about the Sinai:

the seeds were collected between '90 and '97 and stored

 

[Thcvhunter]

I made another F-gen of Sinai while in Napa California last year.
The parents I selected were both on the Autoflowering spectrum and quite sativa.
The female smoked like legit pencil stick Durban.

Im growing out the progeny now and they are really something else.
Ive got a male that is the most vigorous plant in the garden. Hybrid morphology, leaning a bit towards NLD with the crazy Menorah branching.
The rest of the plants lean more towards NLD with a couple being BLD/hybrid types.
The smells range from everywhere to everything. Pine, sour, hashy, fruity, spicy, incense....etc.

Hopefully the plants cooperate this year and I can make “F3’s”

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

That's awesome, Thcvhunter! I did an open pollination a few months back. I started with 36 beans, of which, 18 sprouted. I ended up keeping 5 females and 3 males. Great plants, quite a bit of variety within the genotype and great highs, all around.

 

[funkyhorse]

The uyghur anecdotal report is up to 2017. Last year I couldnt find them, now I understand why, I am aware of the situation of uyghurs, thank you for reminding.
To add to the anecdotes,Uyghurs used to have permits so they could travel around China and there was a steady flow of uyghur travellers coming with their luggage full of whole dried plants. In Shanghai they were doing the trimming and walked around in pedestrial Nanjing Rd mainly in front of Sofitel loudly offering any westerner passing by :-"hashish marihuana", from 2003 that I have been for the first time until 2017 they were there doing business without any problem or harrasment from authorities.

I spent a few years using the red sea bedouin beaches of South Sinai as a hub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sinai_Governorate
Anecdotal report, this is what I saw: In the year 1993 bedouin land was confiscated by Egypt central authorities and bedouin resorts in places like Dahab were given out to people from Cairo, who immediately constructed all kind of restaurants and bars right on the water and changing the sorroundings. Bedouins were all confined to what was until then a very small village north of Nuweiba called Tarabin, which became a giant bedouin bazaar too crowded with plenty of bars and guests houses for very few tourists coming.
The bedouin marihuana was the best in the middle east, it was not a steady quality, sometimes better, sometimes worse and there was some outstanding as well. If legit pencil stick Durban smokes like the Sinai I smoked with the Tarabin bedouins back then, I would be very interested to try that legit pencil stick

Is there any report of growing Sinai in humid conditions? Does it stand 70-80% humid environment?

I think it is important as pedigree not only for Sinai but for every strain the year and place of collection of seeds. Not all years bring same quality, there are batches better and worse. It would be nice a collector edition of Sinai and other strains with seeds from different years and not all mixed up

 

[Elmer Bud]

The female smoked like legit pencil stick Durban.

G `day THCV

I`m wondering where you encountered Pencil Stick Durban ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[funkyhorse]

I am just now realizing I will probably not see the uyghur dealers again. With the years a relationship has been forged and they were part of my trips to China. Their landrace marihuana is hemp, almost no psychoactive.
So for the anecdotal report, they had two different kinds of hash: a) their landrace cannabis is made garda which is compacted. They call this garda with a name that sounds something similar to naixie. This compacted garda is not sticky at all. When you took a piece of it with your fingers, you could just dissolve it into a very thin brown dust with your fingers without need for heating and simply add to your smoke. They said it had a 6 months cure on dark place. It didnt give any high at all. b)At around 2008-2009 when their landrace marihuana started being hybridized with all kind of foreign plants made out of seeds brought by travellers, they started producing a much better resin which looked like granules. It was sticky and you could use it in the same way you would use fresh charas. It was better quality but nothing superb.

After 1994 and when I saw what happened to the bedouin people, I decided not to come back to Sinai, I saw too much sadness. I am now looking back a little bit and I am not surprised at all to see what happened in Dahab, I am just surprised it took bedouins so long, but they are peaceful people. Their reaction is not anecdotal, it is well documented, only the confiscations of their land and mistreatment of their people is anecdotal because there seem to be no documents relating to it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dahab_bombings

My wild guess is that Sinai batches before 1994 are better quality than the ones collected after that. The best batches of the stuff I smoked in Sinai made me see fata morganas. For some people it is a funny experience while for others it might be panic inducing

 

[therevverend]

I'm happy, the Kuamoni turned out to be female. It started to look like a giraffe, wind knocked it around and leaning, so I had to tie it up. Now it's at 11 feet/3.3 meters hasn't stopped growing. Looks like something out of the Mesozoic. It'll be interesting to see if it keeps it's hemp type growth, tall and straight with short branches or bushes out a bit. This will determine the overall yield.

It's so tall that getting a good picture isn't easy, to borrow a term from Red Dwarf it's a 'Double Polaroid'. I put it in the best spot if it goes long season, should get a bit of light even in November.

Is there any report of growing Sinai in humid conditions? Does it stand 70-80% humid environment?

I'm in the PNW, more humid then most. It did fine when the daily temperatures were still warm, above 20 degrees C. A spot or two of boytritis near the end of flowering but easily removed. Once it dropped below 20 degrees it got hit hard which isn't surprising. Didn't mind the humidity at all in Veg or early flowering. Didn't need a lot of water and wasn't a huge eater.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Nice plant therevrend, it looks like a narrow leaf version of the Deep Chunk. Sturdy, my bet is it's still unfolding(metaphorically) like that death cabbage.

 

[axle2u]

I've never seen one bad thing said about RSC. I'm looking for any grows of their red thai at the moment. Exotic stuff!!!

what is red tai ?


-ax

 

[ngakpa]

hi,

the Kumaoni will branch out if it has the space

but planted close, it will do what it's doing here