In over my head - OG Panama Red

[Bsinger]

I only water every 2-3 days and I think the soil is ok. I'm using ocean forest.

 

[therevverend]

s it possible for the clones to show sex before the seedling plant I took them from? I took clones off plants in 12/12 and put the clones back in that tent.

It's possible but not too likely. Last summer I took a clone off a plant that was in Veg. Flowered the clone, it showed sex, and I culled the mother plant because the clone showed hermaphrodite. It can be a useful trick.

I've taken plenty of clones off 12/12 plants myself but it's not an optimum strategy. You'd like your clones to be under 24 hour or 18/6 light schedules so they aren't switching back and forth between Veg and flowering. Wrecks havoc with their hormones and in my opinion increases the chance of sex reversal or other problems.

It's kind of funny, watching opinion float back and forth as people debate whether your strain is 'wide leaf' or 'narrow leaf'. These traits are entirely plastic, can change very quickly between generations or even in different growth stages. Seedling to teenager to adult plant. Your plants are neither, they're hybrids and have intermediate leaf width. They certainly aren't true tropical narrow leaf which are very wispy and tend towards lime green coloration. Nor are they true Afghanica wide leaf.

What I'd pay attention to, as a sensitive grower, is node width. How far each set of branches is apart. This determines how much your plants will stretch, how well adapted they are for indoor growing. Your node length looks good for indoor plants. Really looking forward to how they develop as they form flowering clusters and go deeper into flowering.

 

[Tanuki416]

This is something that the folks over at Ace Seeds make a point of recommending to their customers. I've been doing it on all of my sativas since I began exploring them. Skip 12/12 altogether and go directly from veg to 11/13. For some plants that's all that will be needed up to harvest day. For others, depending on how slow flowering occurs, you might end up halfway through flowering going down to even 10/14. It makes a huge difference. People who have tried these genetics under 12/12 oftentimes find that they keep throwing new pistils up until the end. This is diminished or eliminated with shorter day periods.

Bad ass, thanks Hush

 

[CodyPomeray]

Its always good to grab 500-1500 ladybugs, and release them in the tent as preventative measures....Be warned you will find ladybugs around the house. I will throw ladybugs, mantis and other beneficials in the rooms even when nothing is present for them to eat and thrive, makes me feel better knowing any small amount of stuff that may be present is being taken care of.

 

[Bsinger]

Its always good to grab 500-1500 ladybugs, and release them in the tent as preventative measures....Be warned you will find ladybugs around the house. I will throw ladybugs, mantis and other beneficials in the rooms even when nothing is present for them to eat and thrive, makes me feel better knowing any small amount of stuff that may be present is being taken care of.

Great idea. I'm getting some tomorrow.

 

[Bsinger]

Plants are 8 weeks plus now from seeds and almost 4 days in 14/10 and I don't see 100% sex on any of them yet. Some maybes though.

 

[Bsinger]

Plants officially 9 weeks today and no sex still. sigh

 

[Bsinger]

9.5 weeks and we now have sex determined. I have 6 males and 1 female.

I also took clones off of the female and have 7 that were planted a few weeks ago and are thriving.

Best course of action?

 

[-Rioht-]

9.5 weeks and we now have sex determined. I have 6 males and 1 female.

I also took clones off of the female and have 7 that were planted a few weeks ago and are thriving.

Best course of action?

Oh that poor female lol.

 

[Bsinger]

Oh that poor female lol.

Right? hahaha I culled all but 2 of the males. Still deciding what is the best course of action.

Female now back in vegging tent and loving life.

 

[-Rioht-]

Right? hahaha I culled all but 2 of the males. Still deciding what is the best course of action.

Female now back in vegging tent and loving life.

Nice, so is plan to seed the clones? What are you considering for course of action?

 

[Bsinger]

Still figuring that part out

Tomorrow, the token female mom is going in a 10gal fabric pot and I'm going to just let her go a bit. She's about 2.5 feet tall or so right now. Back in veg and I'm going to see how the clones grow. I will probably take a few more off of her over the next bit.

Should I seed them out do you think? Pick the strongest females?

I picked the 2 strongest males and they are in their own tent and I think I'm going to pollinate them out.

On a side note, I found some lambsbread and Maziar I Shariff seeds that are enroute so that is an interesting project as well.

Thoughts?

 

[-Rioht-]

Still figuring that part out

Tomorrow, the token female mom is going in a 10gal fabric pot and I'm going to just let her go a bit. She's about 2.5 feet tall or so right now. Back in veg and I'm going to see how the clones grow. I will probably take a few more off of her over the next bit.

Should I seed them out do you think? Pick the strongest females?

I picked the 2 strongest males and they are in their own tent and I think I'm going to pollinate them out.

On a side note, I found some lambsbread and Maziar I Shariff seeds that are enroute so that is an interesting project as well.

Thoughts?

Don't need to pick the strongest females as the clones are all genetically identical. You can just pollenate all the clones once they have pistils. I have heard week 3 is the most viable time to pollenate, which is when males typically flower and also provides sufficient time for seeds to mature before plants finish flowering.

Are the males in 12/12? If not I would make sure they get in there asap so you can have the pollen ready for when the clones are ready to be pollenated.

Also any pollen you collect that you don't use can be stores by mixing it with flour, 1 part pollen to 10 parts flour. Then store in an airtight container (I use 10ml glass vials) and put that container in a freezer bag with rice and then store in the freezer. Pollen should last at least a year under this method.

 

[Bsinger]

Thriving in the flower tent week 2. The rest are tropicana cookies week 2 of flower.

 

[Bsinger]

I would like to thank everyone who helped me here. You know who you are.

I sit with 2 males, 15 clones and a mother and I'm figuring it out.

I wish there was a book.

 

[pinkus]

There are many books. What exactly are you aiming for? I like Mel Frank's books for all around knowledge and he is meticulous in laying it all out.

Looking good, and looking more like the "real deal" PR than I expected. Again, THAT is still guessing and wishing. But you are doing everything that you can to continue the line.

Thanks for your efforts, and posting about them too.

 

[bestothebest]

Looks like this may finally be "the thread" that reintroduces PR. ICMAG is king!

 

[Bsinger]

There are many books. What exactly are you aiming for? I like Mel Frank's books for all around knowledge and he is meticulous in laying it all out.

Looking good, and looking more like the "real deal" PR than I expected. Again, THAT is still guessing and wishing. But you are doing everything that you can to continue the line.

Thanks for your efforts, and posting about them too.

I'm honestly not 100% sure yet. I love growing cannabis but, not really that much of a smoker of it now.

I still have 2 plants not showing sex at almost 14 weeks which is somewhat of a concern as I put them in 10/14 and they grew a bit and that was it. hahaha You think it's a female and then it's not. lol

I think I'm going to just remove the males, take their pollin and freeze it for now to deal with those males. If females, I think I'm going to just keep cloning her and take over the world or something.

On another note, I've been doing a lot of reading up on cannabis genetics and I'm a nerd so, it's a good fit. I also started looking at strains and figuring out what I would like to grow.

Currently, I have 5 California Orange (15yo seeds) and 5 of a Killings Field strain which has a long flower time like the panama does.

I also discovered seed banks online. hahaha Enroute to me is lambsbread, a few different kinds of old school kush and Afghani and Mazar I Sharif strains.

In order to keep this 'project going', I had to buy more tents so got 2 more 4x4 with mars hydro 2000 inside of each. Now at 6 tents.

As soon as these last plants so their sex, I'll figure it out. I'd love to feminize some seeds with colloidal silver and get female seeds to do more breeding.

 

[Bsinger]

Pics of defoliation results as I've been mucking around with that. The bud sites are starting to fill in nicely on this tropicana cookies strain 2 weeks in flower. Ms. 'maybe' panama is in the centre and growing like mad. This pic was taken 2 days ago and plant is almost as tall as the others and currently a hair under 4 feet.

 

[-Rioht-]

Incase you wanted more info on identification and classification, here's an interesting podcast I found recently on the subject (great podcast overall too).

https://www.kisorganics.com/pages/cannabis-cultivation-and-science-podcast-episode-44