ImaginaryFriend's INTERPRETATION of Delta9nxs' PASSIVE PLANT KILLERS

[Budley Doright]

Imaginary friend....

Im going back and forth between several threads at the moment....

And maybe Ive only learned enough to be dangerous.....


But here is my impression of your grow vs delta....


Delta is using multiple lights and is looking for a square shaped plant since he has light sources around the plants.....


You on the ohter hand are using 2 x 600 in a single location..... between 2 plants....

Based on your own comments your plants it seems are really too close to your lights....

IMO the shape you should be striving for is in effect a vertical 2 sided scrog....


both plants flat trained against the closet walls.....

This will pull the plants away from the lights and allow what I might expect better use of the light for more parts of the plants.....

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

BR:

IMO the shape you should be striving for is in effect a vertical 2 sided scrog....

both plants flat trained against the closet walls.....

Glad we agree:

IF (9/21):

My canopy goal is to have light penetration throughout the front of the plant to hit the back structure. This is kinda the reverse of most vert SCROGS, where you see the back foliage stripped in favor of training everything to the front. I didn't feel that this conventional approach was the best choice in this garden

IF (10/09)

I tried to keep this area managed, controlled and thinned but the structure nearest to the lights is a wall now, and I can't defoliate it enough to open up the interior.

This is my first healthy run with this genetic. I knew it was bushy, but didn't know the extent. I would have thinned out a bunch of the early laterals and been much more aggressive with defoliation had I known how complex it's internal structure was going to become, and how challenging it would be to keep the canopy open. In fact, if you look at this picture, you can see how I tried to remove forward growth all the way to the main stem as an attempt to that effect:

Additionally, I deliberately tried to train to a central lead, but on both sides of the light, my selection was overgrow by early laterals, buy as much as six inches, and if you take the curve out of them, they would be 14" longer than my actual 'lead'.

I tried to anticipate as much as I could, and came up short. Some of the things could have been managed better, some of the things were truly unexpected.

This grow is certainly not perfect.

But the best grow I've ever had.

 

[Budley Doright]

Good thinking....


Just trying to help...

and I admit I am more looking at pics than reading word for word...


I might suggest against at least one wall a frame with 1/4 inch wire cloth....


then some simple wire hooks could be used to pull the growth to the back....


You certainly are getting some real nice growth from the plants.....


Your challange is how to best use your available space....


It seems that about another foot of depth would be very useful.....

First grow....


good it will be interesting to see what changes you make in your second grow....

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Comparing this garden to Delta9nxs' is a bit odd, but:

Comparing this garden to Delta9nxs' is a bit odd, but:

Delta is using multiple lights and is looking for a square shaped plant since he has light sources around the plants.....

D9 has five 1k HPS in a row down the center of a long rectangular flower room. He has two rows of plants on either side of this line of lights, such that each plant is being lit by two points.

We are using different genetics.

He is vegging for 7-8 weeks, I was limited to twenty six days.

He took two years to select his pheno from seed, I have a cut handed down to me.

He is running a two room weekly perpetual, I have one little closet.

I trained to tomato cages, he lets the light train them.

If I wanted to set up contrasts, I could keep writing for ever.

If I wanted to set up similarities in methodology, I would take my personal time, and write the first couple pages of this thread for those people who might not take the time to read the 1000+posts in D9's thread. I might try and get down to the fundamentals of the media-wick system he has developed and shown to be simple and successful, so that interested people can quickly get involved, and then get educated properly by working through the original source as time allows.

I believe that the details in terms of wattage and genetics and other environmental factors will rarely be equivalent from garden to garden, regardless of the efforts put into replicating them. However, I believe that the PPK tech is sound enough that installed in any garden, it can be easily adjusted to suit genetic characteristics and environmental factors. For example, in a PPK, I have inadvertently demonstrated that the genetic I am cultivating can withstand local temps of 110 degrees without flinching.

Hope this clarifies some stuff.

Best of luck out there...

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

BR:

Your challenge is how to best use your available space....

I agree.

I think a fixed screen against the walls would be an improvement on the tomato cages. In fact, that was why I initially installed the plywood as an attachment point of a back trained SCROG--so that I could still keep the plants mobile.

That never materialized. Why? Who knows... But I had a couple of cages around, so I threw them in there...

In retrospect, a screen in such closed quarters would have been challenging to work with in the back...

So my next garden will be a complete redesign. Still vert, same genetics, but hopefully new space.

I appreciate you constructive advice.

Thank you for it.

 

[Budley Doright]

Let me just say......

I was a mentor on og and I know we all can be a bit defensive about our grows....

One has to tread lightly in these matters...

I see the engine works very well you need the growth this gives....

But the one thing really needed is what you have going....

Not everyone will have 5 x 1000...


so the object would be to give the best results possible using either 1000 or your over under 1200


far more growers will be able to relate to that sort of grow.....

People do scrogs often with very high yields.....


The 2 sided scrog approach would seen to be a very good approach to this sort of grow....

I dont see this as a typical train your plants thru the screen but to use the screen behind the plant to serve as anchor points...

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Peace.

Your comments are well intended, and that is the way they should be received.

In hindsight, and if I had the resources, I would go two sided ScrOG on wheels or drawer slides to have access to the back corners. Maybe do a full two piece 360 scrog. More tech in the build, but a much better use of light. Could go to a smaller base that didn't have such a fixed spot in the garden (3.5 gallons, or such). Start the plants closer to the wall...

Advice freely given should be advice freely received.

 

[Budley Doright]

Yes thats exactly what I was thinking too.....

If the thing is on wheels you can open the interior if you need to work...


What do the say about great minds????


rotflmfao...


peace....out...

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Flower, Day 33

Flower, Day 33

 

[delta9nxs]

you can really see the buds stacking up now. great development for 35 days.

the DF'ing is making those bud leaves go nuts. lots of trichs already.

you're going to get some weight from this. very nice!

when i ordered the swt#4 beans they were billed as a 6 week wonder.

i faithfully followed instructions and whacked them at 6 for quite a while.

then i tried 7 weeks and liked the result. more weight and a more "mature" smoke. more pain killing effect.

at 8 and 9 weeks it just kept getting better as far as potency. the weight went up significantly. perhaps 10% or more.

right now, because of DF'ing, i'm taking them around 8.5 but will probably go back to nine.

looks like you gained a little room on the lights somehow.

nice camera work. i've got to get a better one. i'm thinking about a nice canon or nikon but i don't know enough yet to make a decision. i want something that takes killer macros yet is good outdoors and will take portraits.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

D9,

If you look at the full plant pics, you can see some cardboard folded up and tucked directly under the light-side-edge of the buckets. Tilts the whole system out a few degrees and freed up a couple of much needed inches right beside the bulb.

It looks like I'll have time to selectively harvest these ladies, and note date and trich color percentages with each batch I take down. Hopefully that'll give me some insight into where they need to match my needs for the next cycle and build out.

My camera it just a little $150 point'n'shoot pocket unit. It does have a 'macro' and 'super-macro' setting that has been working way better than I ever expected. When my hand is steady taking the pic, I can later actually zoom on the computer close enough to clearly defined gland heads. Not why I bought the camera, but it's definitely pretty cool.

 

[oldone]

Just beautiful...

I like how even the bud density is all the way down. I just love this stage of the grow where every day they look better and better.

Are they turning out like you expected?

OO

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Are they turning out like you expected?

I don't know if I even expected them to turn out at all. It's been such a struggle for the last year with countless setbacks.

This is the prettiest thing I've ever been a part of, no questions asked.

I can see tons of things I'd like to change, and will, opportunity presenting itself.

There is a dramatic difference in flower structure depending on light exposure and position in the plant.

I have two different HPS brands in the tubes, and don't recall which is which. The bottom one, when firing up, is bluer longer. The flower structure exposed to the upper bulb is much more impressive, but it is also the top of the plant. There are so many other factors that may be in play, it almost seems silly to speculate.

So, is it turning out as I expected?

I'd go with: 'it is beyond my wildest expectations'.

I so often look at pictures in other people's grows with an unbecoming greedy-enviousness, and this garden has a few flowers that are as nice as I've ever encountered. I'm very happy to have these ladies in my life, and am very grateful for them.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

I cannot add. Or subtract. But if I could, it would appear that those pics are really from day thirty three of flower.

As are these:

 

[delta9nxs]

tilted. it's amazing what people think of when they have to. looks like you need more space, though.

next year i'll be moving for the last time, i hope. did you know you can buy a used 53' insulated refrigerated trailer for around 3500 bucks?

400 sq ft with a high ceiling.

there's a wholesaler near me who has hundreds of them.

they don't have the refrigerating units in them and are a little beat up on the outside but you add an ac and a propane heat system. vinyl side it and put a metal roof on it and you're ready to rock.

i would do a full reflectix radiant barrier on the inside for added insulation and anti IR as well as interior light enhancement.

vapor and wind barriers with more insulation under the siding.

i live in farm country and everybody has outbuildings, no one would even look twice.

oh, yeah!

that looks like an 8-9 week plant to me. how many total days of stretch did you have?

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

looks like you need more space, though.

I have to rebuild after this run...

Do those insulated trailers have multiple doors? That's be nice... Central opening to veg with flip flop flower rooms on either end...

Looking back though the photos, I'd say 12-14 days. So devide by two and multiply by five equals cut it now!

So looking at that statement, I'd say I clearly don't know when stretch ended! The flower tops are still developing vertically at a creepers pace. I have a series of pics on the first page that I'm still updating. Will you look and tell me which photo looks like it is the end of stretch. In my album, I have them date coded...

I have time to run it another three weeks easy. But if it is a eight to nine week strain, that means flower set is just about to get started. If that is true, I'm even more excited than starting to cut in ten days. I've got mostly cloudy trichs already though.

 

[delta9nxs]

I have to rebuild after this run...

Do those insulated trailers have multiple doors? That's be nice... Central opening to veg with flip flop flower rooms on either end...

Looking back though the photos, I'd say 12-14 days. So devide by two and multiply by five equals cut it now!

So looking at that statement, I'd say I clearly don't know when stretch ended! The flower tops are still developing vertically at a creepers pace. I have a series of pics on the first page that I'm still updating. Will you look and tell me which photo looks like it is the end of stretch. In my album, I have them date coded...

I have time to run it another three weeks easy. But if it is a eight to nine week strain, that means flower set is just about to get started. If that is true, I'm even more excited than starting to cut in ten days. I've got mostly cloudy trichs already though.

you've got bud set already. really rather far along for the age. from your pics it's hard to pin down stretch. i've read a few grow reports on it and they say 42-56 days indoor flower. so i guess it's one of those strains you watch to get to the stage you want. in your situation a progressive harvest will get you more weight. take the bigger terminal buds first and give it a week before you take the rest. i truthfully don't see anything in your photos that looks like it will be ready at 42 days. they can put on a surprising amount of weight in the last week or two.

i get 90-100% opaque trichs by the end of eight and only a sprinkling of amber by nine.

i have seen a couple of those trailers with side doors but not many. it doesn't matter, though, i got a sawz-all and a carbide blade for my circular. weld the rear end doors shut, center entry with two flower areas, one at each end like you said. flip flop relays so power use is constant 24/7.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

it doesn't matter, though, i got a sawz-all...

Amen, Brother.

Amen.

I am in no kinda rush at all. I put the cheapo-scope to about six different easy to reach flowers. Some stalks have the heads broken off (handling, I presume) but in general, the resin heads seem fully developed (that is, bulbous) and not-clear. I haven't seen any amber for sure yet (not that I expected to), but will maybe let them run to 20% before I even think about taking anything down.

I can't tell about stretch either... It opened up a bit early in flower (feeding high P) but the laterals did some reach up and around and over moves...

I'm guessing I'm going to base it all on trichs.

I can run her sixty days without sweating (I think... I can't really add or subtract...)

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Bud shots, flower 36

Bud shots, flower 36

 

[killerweed31]

astounding plants man, full cristall covered yeah that is good, keep it up bro!!