ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[nomaad]

now i feel stupid if i vote either way at all

the eternal conundrum facing the american electorate.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Again you are not telling this community the truth. Under current CA law smoking pot in your house is a NON issue.

Under prop 19 smoking in your own home becomes a FELONY if you have a kid.

What is wrong with you refuting these two sentences instead of fighting a straw man you create yourself?

A non issue huh? That's not the view my arresting officer had when he was dispatched to my condo....

 

[localhero]

herb,

unfortunately under 19, the arresting officer would have dinged you anyways. maybe even tacked on more shit with the whole smoking in the vaccinity of minors portion of 19, if you had kids. unless you werent medical. please everyone if this passes, dont let your med card expire and not renew it. youll need it still.

this is why i say we put up a simple proposition to be voted on.

no person shall be imprisoned, fined, or limitted by law to consume, possess or cultivate cannabis in california.

then herb, there will never be an arresting officer coming to your residence.

there still will be with 19.

 

[nomaad]

no person shall be imprisoned, fined, or limitted by law to consume, possess or cultivate cannabis in california.

lol

 

[localhero]

im serious. most uninformed voters think this 19 bill is to vote for real legalization. why not make an actual prop that really does that?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

i like how the topic veered off for a while about how to grow in 5 feet of space. get used to that. maybe start a new section in the forums, or the only section in the forums

im gonna have to start reading up on pc grow cabs and leds i guess.

i wanna fight for more freedoms for cannabis, not settle for less freedoms.

You antis don't want to fight for shit. You are all praying it never legalizes so your uneducated no skill having ass can suckle on the weed tit for more years. You all act like were losing rights and giving up by voting yes. Do you really expect cannabis will ever be non regulated and untaxed in a legal market? You can't call yourself a functioning non retard and think the highest revenue creating crop in the world would go untaxed and unregulated.

If this fails, it will easily set the movement back for decades (and I know your probably jizzing your fucking pants praying for this). It will send a definitive message that "we don't want legalization now or ever" and could possibly turn the tide for the next republican president in 2012 to wage a anti-mj war. Anyone care to remember the Carter - Reagan fiasco?

We need to send a loud clear message that this war on cannabis is unfair, unjust and unconstitutional. Passing 19 would be a deafening message to Washington.

It's 2010, let the legalization begin !!!

 

[nomaad]

You antis don't want to fight for shit. You are all praying it never legalizes so your uneducated no skill having ass can suckle on the weed tit for more years. You all act like were losing rights and giving up by voting yes. Do you really expect cannabis will ever be non regulated and untaxed in a legal market? You can't call yourself a functioning non retard and think the highest revenue creating crop in the world would go untaxed and unregulated.

your argument makes a lot of unfounded assumptions and skirts the issues your side is being asked to make a cogent comment on.

not sure where you received all your advanced degrees, but I'm pretty sure that fallacious arguments such as yours aren't taken seriously there.

if i didn't just ignore commentators such as yourself, I might be swayed to vote no based on your inability to respond substantially to concerns of those you'd like to vote with you. Instead you make weak arguments laced with profanity and insults.

 

[Hydrosun]

thats what mine would be indoor 5x5 flower and a veg mom chamber on top. Untill they say no. I see notthing wrong with this setup

Nope it is off to prison for you because as GMG pointed out once you add a second level you are adding usable square footage (think 2 story house).

So HH even though I like you and think the bull dog is cool the state of CA needs to put you in cage

 

[Hydrosun]

So we're just waiting for someone else to get fucked in the ass by a judge then we'll have our answer is what you mean?

I still prefer a set plant limit. 25 sq foot really limits your design setup. but I grow vert anyway so it doesn't bother me.

You get prison too, your vert setup is more "usable square footage" (think bunk beds). Sorry wish to have smoked your good stuff but the state of CA and prop 19 thinks the best place for you is the cage with HamerHead.

 

[localhero]

herb,

no person shall be imprisoned, fined, or limitted by law to consume, possess or cultivate cannabis in california

nothing in that sentence about not taxing. im all for taxing.

antis dont wanna fight for shit? weird. i remember working on 215. i remember travelling to oregon, nevada and colorado where i also organized and collected signatures for medicinal mj.

anyways herb, i dont fault you for being passionate about what you think in your mind is right.

and your argument that a no vote could embolden enemies of cannabis is also very valid.

its a nice position mr lee has us all in. i can attest from experience (which it doesnt take to see) that most props put out for a vote in cali are really smokescreens for a special interest that mascerade as a populous good deed.

 

[Hydrosun]

A non issue huh? That's not the view my arresting officer had when he was dispatched to my condo....

Do tell! I've smoked weed in 100+ CA locations over the last 20 years, how did someone get dispatched to your house?

I hope you still have your kids.

 

[anomolies]

come to think about it crunch, where did i see a vertical aero grow on icmag? i think aero and vert hydro set ups would be the way to go with a 5x5, id have to dump my organic tea brewer method of ferts and get rid of my compost pile. dammit i really like my compost pile, fuck it im keeping it for my passion fruit and tomatoes.

i could convert a small space under my bathroom sink or something for clones.

can anyone recommend a good bonsai mom method, i just keep cutting and transplanting, while removing roots right?

oh wait anyone know what the square footage of that rotating light machine is? rotating garden or something?



u know i could make a seperate cab underneath my grow table right?

You can do a soil vert grow. You just need stackable containers, and train your plants to grow out the side. I use milk crates with coco.

I don't see how a closet has more usable square footage for bunkbeds than for pot.
Clothes take up a lot of space when in reality they can just be folded and put in drawers.

I'm not against the taxation. I'm against them turning this into a monopoly where only the rich can afford licenses to cultivate on a large scale and legally sell. What about the aspiring breeders? Will seeds be legal?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I'm not skirting any issues im being real. Do you really expect a better legalization bill will come along? Because I will guarntee you, much like Michael Jackson, 'this is it'. Obama has 2 years before he's out and if we don't get some serious changes to the law in place before the next republican president takes over in 2012, we are fucked. Plain and simple.

Now please repeat more of your pathetic rhetoric about high school kids and the torture of only having 25sqft to grow in...or whatever lame attempt your making to fear monger the undecided vote. We all see you for what you really are, just a fucking shoe box grower afraid to compete in an legal market.

 

[localhero]

herb,

actually, the "competition" issue with the bill is that it doesnt set guidelines for commercial licensing, meaning:

licensing costs could be very exclusionary to get. meaning, you wont get one.

that is not competition, thats eliminating competition and controlling the means of production, keeping it in the hands of very few.

no market flourishes under those conditions.

i want competition, i like that im trying to grow better bud than my fellow brother grower and i hope hes trying to outdo me too.

that lowers prices and increases choice.

what some no voters ask themselves then, is:

how is 19 better than 215 if all it really does is allow big business to monopolize the market and jail me for having children?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

what some no voters ask themselves then, is:

how is 19 better than 215 if all it really does is allow big business to monopolize the market and jail me for having children?

nobody is asking themself this except you ass clowns who are hoping to confuse and misguide voters who have not read this bill.

It explictly says that this does not effect 215. The fact that you are trying to misinterpret this bill to sway votes just shows us all what pathetic low life hidden intrest scum you all are...

 

[anomolies]

btw what happens to the dispensaries and how do they get their supply legally?

 

[Hydrosun]

nobody is asking themself this except you ass clowns who are hoping to confuse and misguide voters who have not read this bill.

It explictly says that this does not effect 215. The fact that you are trying to misinterpret this bill to sway votes just shows us all what pathetic low life hidden intrest scum you all are...

When the police came to your condo it wasn't over an anger issue was it?

 

[localhero]

herb, what does 19 do better than 215?

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

I do not have a problem differentiating, and medical mj and recreational use are not completely different, just pretty different. They are related in the sense that medical mj has helped recreational mj be accepted to the level it is today. Without any of the victories in the medical mj scene, recreational mj would have one HELL of a time chipping away at the block.

Hell, prop19 is FUNDED BY MEDICAL MJ.. The recreational movement as you know it is backed, and funded by medical mj.

I'm talking about the current legality of medical vs recreational. I know that medical use has brought it out into the open, but I also know that medical use is greatly abused, because of the state of prohibition. MMJ in CA is ridiculous, I don't know how it's taken seriously. I am well aware of the hundreds of medical applications cannabis has, but I'd be curious to see the percentage of card holders in CA that would classify themselves as recreational smokers. I bet it's pretty damn high.

It is not selfish. How is this selfish? All I have to gain by waiting is more liberties and freedoms for my fellow man/woman and their children. If you understood freedom and liberty to the fullest we wouldn't have this conversation.

You would rather continue with recreational use being 100% illegal. Instead of giving millions of people the freedom to grow and smoke without worry of a criminal record. Please, educate me on what freedom and liberty really are, because I do so enjoy prohibition, and would like to continue with the status quo until the ideal solution comes along, ignoring all other possible progress.

Like how people will BE SUBJECTED TO PRISON FOR UP TO SEVEN YEARS for "committing a crime" in which no one is hurt! Both parties agreed to said terms! How the HELL is that justice?

What people are you talking about? Why not reference the part of the bill you're referring to, because the only place I see mention of seven years, is part of the already existing law.

You support rapists getting less time then non violent "drug criminals"?! Drunk drivers that "accidentally" killed someone should get less time? You are agreeing to that so its a little easier for people to smoke bud legally?

I don't support or agree with any of that, but that's an entirely different subject.

 

[Hammerhead]

you guys have a clue what real politics is about if I chose to vote no/yes on anything it seems you guys want to make enemies of the people you use to like. Now that we don't agree on your politics we are not the same people u use to like. I find this very disturbing. Hydro they don't have the man power to look at all these grows to make sure im within my 5x5 and if im not I will just wipe out my card. Even the people on the hill don't disrespect there opponents the way we do with ea other. When I see the way we speak to ea other all I see is a bunch of stupid stoners arguing with each other. I will vote what I think will help. I have nothing else to add here