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ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

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localhero

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you know sometimes i get the feeling that some of the yes voters are voting yes because they want so badly for this prop to be something it isnt. thats too bad.
 

localhero

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you guys have a clue what real politics is about if I chose to vote no/yes on anything it seems you guys want to make enemies of the people you use to like. Now that we don't agree on your politics we are not the same people u use to like. I find this very disturbing. Hydro they don't have the man power to look at all these grows to make sure im within my 5x5 and if im not I will just wipe out my card. Even the people on the hill don't disrespect there opponents the way we do with ea other. When I see the way we speak to ea other all I see is a bunch of stupid stoners arguing with each other. I will vote what I think will help. I have nothing else to add here

sometimes the most vicious fights are between brothers.
 

anomolies

Member
not to mention this bill was drafted by a few people, who had their own interests in mind.
You really want to pass something like that?
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
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not in my family. I dont trat anyone like that I guess it's just me what a would we live in
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
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herb, what does 19 do better than 215?

It gets rid of all the recreational users from the 215 system so medical marijuana can be taken seriously instead of people pointing at California and saying see they aren't sick they just want to get high. Which makes it incredibly more difficult for patients in non med states to pass legislation to ensure safety for those who benefit from cannabis.

And I won't have to waste any more time and money on incompetant "doctors" who can't run a real practice...

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Bunt. B-U-N-T, in perfect cursive. Any more brain busters?
 

vta

Active member
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Originally Posted by Hydrosun
Again you are not telling this community the truth.

Under prop 19 smoking in your own home becomes a FELONY if you have a kid.

truth huh? Well where is the truth in your second sentence then? This Felony your talking about? Because the only felonies in 19 have to do with...and I quote..

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

nowhere in there does it say smoking around kids gets you a felony.

(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.

So...it say's this 'Act' does not cover smoking around minors. That's it. It doesn't say your going to get a felony or that your going to jail.

Besides that...why would anyone want to smoke around thier kids anyways? Remember were taking 'recreational' here. Let me answer...a total idiot.

but hey...Super good job on the make believe fear mongering BS though.
 

localhero

Member
Keep asking, people will see how repetitive and pointless your arguments are. It's been answered many times already.


im asking because so far no one can answer with a valid arguement.

perhaps you would like a shot at answering it? or are you afraid that you too cant come up with one?

id like to know, it would ease my mind when voting yes.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
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you guys have a clue what real politics is about if I chose to vote no/yes on anything it seems you guys want to make enemies of the people you use to like. Now that we don't agree on your politics we are not the same people u use to like. I find this very disturbing. Hydro they don't have the man power to look at all these grows to make sure im within my 5x5 and if im not I will just wipe out my card. Even the people on the hill don't disrespect there opponents the way we do with ea other. When I see the way we speak to ea other all I see is a bunch of stupid stoners arguing with each other. I will vote what I think will help. I have nothing else to add here

I still like you HH and I know they don't have the man power to look at everyone, but they do have the man power to squeeze the shit out of who ever they want. And I have ZERO faith that the pigs won't harass people given the opportunity.

We all know from personal experience or that of family and close friends, once the pigs come in they break everything and respect nothing. They don't do it to all of us but they do do it to ALL that they interact with.

You should vote your mind and I'm your friend either way, but I don't like this proposal because it VALIDATES the actions of the pigs. Right now they abuse us and violate our rights and we proclaim the injustice. In December when they jackboot someone and say that bad guy had WAY TOO MUCH weed or WAY TOO BIG A GARDEN they can also say and EVERYONE agrees that TOO MUCH WEED = 7 years in prison, see the recent passage of prop 19 ;)

That is why I have to say no this prop 19 advocates IMMORAL imprisonment.

:joint:
 

localhero

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herb,

what actual rights would a 19 smoker have over a 215 smoker?

please no theoretical nonsense about not needing a doc anymore and yadda yadda. i want actual factual facts please.

actual rights actual law, just like vta posts actual parts of 19. please
 

anomolies

Member
I still like you HH and I know they don't have the man power to look at everyone, but they do have the man power to squeeze the shit out of who ever they want. And I have ZERO faith that the pigs won't harass people given the opportunity.

We all know from personal experience or that of family and close friends, once the pigs come in they break everything and respect nothing. They don't do it to all of us but they do do it to ALL that they interact with.

You should vote your mind and I'm your friend either way, but I don't like this proposal because it VALIDATES the actions of the pigs. Right now they abuse us and violate our rights and we proclaim the injustice. In December when they jackboot someone and say that bad guy had WAY TOO MUCH weed or WAY TOO BIG A GARDEN they can also say and EVERYONE agrees that TOO MUCH WEED = 7 years in prison, see the recent passage of prop 19 ;)

That is why I have to say no this prop 19 advocates IMMORAL imprisonment.

:joint:

Q.E.D.

Citizens United v Federal Election Commission,
Proposition 18 (2010 Water Bond)
and now this... I never had faith in politics but it just feels like everything's going down the shitter lately. But someone is going to come out very rich from all this.
 

GrnMtnGrwr

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herb,

what actual rights would a 19 smoker have over a 215 smoker?

please no theoretical nonsense about not needing a doc anymore and yadda yadda. i want actual factual facts please.

actual rights actual law, just like vta posts actual parts of 19. please

19 is recreational.

215 is medical.

What is your point?
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
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give and take my friend. I wish you all the best and I will be voting yes. I know you will be voting no that does not mean I feel any different about you but most on here dont show that kind of respect. I have done my research and I don't need someone telling me im a piece of shit because of they way I have chosen to vote. Im sure you have seen this behaviour. Im just not into that. Take care im out
 

anomolies

Member
Prop 18 is where rich farmers use our tax money to overhaul their water irrigation system. Essentially stealing water from us, and then they sell the extra, subsidized water back to the government for more than they paid.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
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give and take my friend. I wish you all the best and I will be voting yes. I know you will be voting no that does not mean I feel any different about you but most on here dont show that kind of respect. I have done my research and I don't need someone telling me im a piece of shit because of they way I have chosen to vote. Im sure you have seen this behaviour. Im just not into that. Take care im out

Dude I hope you didn't read anything I wrote as calling you a piece of shit. I've just given my opinion on why I don't like this prop. and it looks like I am in the minority. As I see the name calling is directed in general at the NO's without naming anyone specifically.

An individuals vote is private and no one has the right to know which way you vote or who you vote for. Discussion over this prop shouldn't get into calling anyone a piece of shit, but the fact that there is so much disagreement is a warning sigh about this proposal.

Nothing personal,
:joint:
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
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herb,

what actual rights would a 19 smoker have over a 215 smoker?

please no theoretical nonsense about not needing a doc anymore and yadda yadda. i want actual factual facts please.

actual rights actual law, just like vta posts actual parts of 19. please

See this is what I'm talking about. This isn't a boxing match. We aren't debating which is better. 215 and 19 are two different species.

Ask me why you are hellbent to misinterpret and trash this bill? Be real. If you think you will lose money just say so. But quit acting like you give a fuck about anyone elses safety, because all of you proved your hate is fueled by something else, as all of your arguments have no merit and are disproven faster than you can create them.

Theoretical? Why is it theoretical to think I won't need to pay these fucking fake doctors $150 for a piece of paper once it becomes legal?

Watch how fast those packed dr.s office become a ghost town with passage of 19...
 

localhero

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19 is recreational.

215 is medical.

What is your point?

im taking a plant tending break. but i will be back to see if anyone has a real answer to the bolded question below.

the point is simple. why would i want to vote in something that doesnt extend freedoms? anyone can get a med card. am i abusing the medical system? BOO HOO.

im asking again, because i want to know,

what part of 19 is better than 215?

the question is so simple. i will bold it.

can anyone copy and paste the part of the wording of prop 19 that clearly outdoes 215?

i wanna know
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
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Localzero it's obvious there us nothing we can say to sway your vote. You already have made it clear you grow for profit. You have made it clear that you will not welcome even the slightest regulation. And you have made it clear you will misinterpret this prop to decieve voters.

You are truly a piece of shit. You have no grounds of an argument. 19 is all win. If it somehow superceded 215 I would be on your side but this is simply a false accusation made by a scared yellow bellied coward grasping at straws.

19 takes nothing away and gives us a whole he'll of a lot. It was written conservatively to intice non cannabis smokers into voting in favor of legalization or at the very least not voting against it. It was written with compromises for the opposers, but also sets laws for local counties to decide to raise the legal limit.

Let's pass this prop, than we can work on raising the limits at a local level.

I'm still waiting to hear a single valid argument to note vote yes....
 

Hammerhead

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he said he was changing his vote to yes pages ago after t.hill posted. I guess he changed his mind again? why even bother to say witch way you are going to vote when it's obvious you don't even know yet
 
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