YOU CAN KEEP AS MUCH CANNABIS AS YOU CAN CULTIVATE IN A 5X5. yOU CAN ONLY CARRY 1 OZ OF IT WITH YOU. WE KEEP GOING OVER THE SAME POINTS.
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My veg room is a 2' space, too. I built a cloner that i can put 24 jiffy pellets in and they root within 5-7 days. Takes about 3-4 days of veg before they're ready for flowering room. Veg cab can be staggered and still pump out 10-20 new plants a week into the perp flower area. So amend my statement.
Let's be generous and make the veg/clone chamber 3 square feet. That's a whole square foot bigger than what I'm using now.
That leaves 22 square feet for 12/12.
22/2=11.
So the 22 square feet is still eleven times more than I'm currently using. Even with 1 1/2 times the veg space!
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Pics with weights are in there around page 15 if I remember correctly.
I no longer update with pics of my harvests for security reasons.
The proof is already staring you in the face.
Go read the CFL threads and listen to the haters coming in saying it can't be done this way. Nobody believes it can be done because it is counter to what has been done for so long.
Also, you can't grow trees with CFLs.
These are some of my plants:
Here's my cab:
Each plant may only yield 4-9 grams. But 4 plants a week at 7 grams... that's an ounce.
My new cab is coming soon:
(The larger circles represent a 6" distance from the center of the PLL, which will be mounted vertically. They are 21.5" tall. At a distance of 1 ft, they are rated at 4800 lumens. Inverse Square Law says that at 6" - represented by the big circle in the pics above - that the lamps are putting out 4800*4 lumens, or 19,200 lumens.)
This new cab is going to use PLLs which blow CFLs out of the water. The new cab is going to offer an impressive 19,200 lumen from top of cab to soil level throughout nearly the entire cabinet. This new cab will be capable of holding more than double the number of plants I can currently run, and should improve bud density (and therefore weight).
Oh yeah, and the whole cab (including FLOWER, VEG and DRYING) clocks in under 5 sq ft.
Why is all the commercial stuff I buy so shitty compared to my own stuff?
Most guys are trying to grow huge trees. I'm growing rooted branches. One nice cola, a little popcorn... on to the next. Lots and lots of little branches. Each top has its own root system.
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And how the hell did this turn into debate about lights?
To me, carry = transport. It says you may not transport more than 1 ounce. But it also says you may not "possess, process" more than 1 ounce. This means you cannot have more than 1 ounce, ever.
And how the hell did this turn into debate about lights?
Where does it say that you can have more than 1oz at any time? And where does it say "on person" vs "in the grow room?"
To me, carry = transport. It says you may not transport more than 1 ounce. But it also says you may not "possess, process" more than 1 ounce. This means you cannot have more than 1 ounce, ever.
i believe the exact wording is 'personally possess', i.e. on your person
you won't find a 'versus' statement, this is phrased in legal lingo
on the person is one limit, grow space is another limit
process hasn't been discussed that much, at least i haven't seen too much on it
i understand it to be you've taken weed out of your grow space and are doing something to it, trimming, getting ready to smoke it, etc.
My veg room is a 2' space, too. I built a cloner that i can put 24 jiffy pellets in and they root within 5-7 days. Takes about 3-4 days of veg before they're ready for flowering room. Veg cab can be staggered and still pump out 10-20 new plants a week into the perp flower area. So amend my statement.
Let's be generous and make the veg/clone chamber 3 square feet. That's a whole square foot bigger than what I'm using now.
That leaves 22 square feet for 12/12.
22/2=11.
So the 22 square feet is still eleven times more than I'm currently using. Even with 1 1/2 times the veg space!
If you don't believe it, click my banner.
Pics with weights are in there around page 15 if I remember correctly.
I no longer update with pics of my harvests for security reasons.
The proof is already staring you in the face.
Go read the CFL threads and listen to the haters coming in saying it can't be done this way. Nobody believes it can be done because it is counter to what has been done for so long.
Also, you can't grow trees with CFLs.
These are some of my plants:
(Picture #5 from left above is an example of a one week harvest of 4 plants. That particular harvest was just short of an ounce from 4 plants.)
Here's my cab:
Each plant may only yield 4-9 grams. But 4 plants a week at 7 grams... that's an ounce.
My new cab is coming soon:
This new cab is going to use PLLs which blow CFLs out of the water. The new cab is going to offer an impressive 19,200 lumen from top of cab to soil level throughout nearly the entire cabinet. This new cab will be capable of holding more than double the number of plants I can currently run, and should improve bud density (and therefore weight).
Why is all the commercial stuff I buy so shitty compared to my own stuff?
Most guys are trying to grow huge trees. I'm growing rooted branches. One nice cola, a little popcorn... on to the next. Lots and lots of little branches. Each top has its own root system.
First off, the fastest I can efficiently root is about eight days with most of the strains I use. Your 5-7 with "newb skills" is phenominal, and I tip my hat to you sir
But I cannot do that. And what if I can't grow well enough to sustain my needs in a 5X5? Too bad for me and others because Anti can sustain HIS/HER needs with that grow?
Also I've never really liked growing small little branches. I dont know, seems like I get better tasting bud out of bigger plants. Regardless, I dont want to have to conform to some growing style. Thats BS.
And btw, not many can do what you do. Just because you can do it doesn't mean others can.
And I dont see a spot in your layouts to dry harvested plants and I dont see a place to store dried bud over that sums to over an ounce.
And I would stop focusing on how many lumens you can get into your cab. Lumens is a measurement for humans, PAR is more appropriate.
I know it doesnt say versus but show me exactly where and how it distinguishes between 1 oz per person and more than 1 oz in the grow room.
If every person has a different interpretation of this bill then obviously, ITS NOT GOING TO WORK.
unfortunately, the ignorant who have never taken a law or business law class are going to pass this bill. This mainly includes those who don't even grow or smoke weed because they don't know what's really going on.
"Section 3: Lawful Activities Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read: Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to: (i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale. (ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."
There are probably a million other ways to write a better bill, we don't have to pass this one. If this really was for legalization it would do something about those already serving time.
If every person has a different interpretation of this bill then obviously, ITS NOT GOING TO WORK.
unfortunately, the ignorant who have never taken a law or business law class are going to pass this bill. This mainly includes those who don't even grow or smoke weed because they don't know what's really going on.
"Section 3: Lawful Activities Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read: Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to: (i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale. (ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."
There are probably a million other ways to write a better bill, we don't have to pass this one. If this really was for legalization it would do something about those already serving time.
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It clearly states that the results of ANY harvest (not just one, two or three, but multiple of any yield) can/must be kept pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii)... The one ounce thing holds in all other aspects but is superseded by this language.
section 11300 details what you may have on your person
it also details the space you can have for a grow
then later in 11304(definitions) it details what can be in your grow space, which is to be measured in square footage, not weight
some do seem to think that by personally possess, whatever is in your grow space is yours 'personally'
this is clearly not the intent, and you always get interpretations of a law, no matter the law, that is what judges do, and they may have differences of opinion
There would be no point in drafting a bill to only allow for 1oz at the private residence it's just not feasible to do that.
This tells you in bold
Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
This tells you in bold
Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
First off, the fastest I can efficiently root is about eight days with most of the strains I use. Your 5-7 with "newb skills" is phenominal, and I tip my hat to you sir
I was having it take up to 12-14 days when I was using my bubble cloner. Now that I switched to jiffy pellets (available by the hundred at walmart for under $5) I have seen "rootsign" at day 5 and nicely established, ready to be planted rootballs by day 7-8.
I'm not really doing anything but putting a drop of superthrive into a gallon of bubbled tap water and then soaking my peat pellets for about 30 minutes prior to use. I didn't even mist the things more than once that week. 23 of 24 thrived and are growing like BEASTS compared to what I was getting with the same clones (my own mom from round 1) and then leaving them alone.
I can sustain my needs and the needs of all of my friends in a 5x5. And half of my friends are musicians. You can do the same. There are plenty of people here who can teach you.
This is where your bias limits you.
This may be. I have little experience home-growing large plants.
My plants taste like freshly pressed hash and smell oh-so-funky.
They are fluffier than some of the commercial stuff i've seen, but they pack more of a hit bowl-for-bowl than 90% of commercial I've come across in 15 years of daily smoking.
Nobody said you have to. But if you are being shown a way to get the harvest you need in the space that would keep you legal... what's the harm in doing so?
You didn't look closely enough. There is a drying chamber in between veg and flower. In my current chamber as well. I have a harvest drying in it right now. The new cab also has a similar incorporated drying chamber.
There'd be plenty of space left over in the 20 square feet that are left to store the bud. OR you could make the cabinet bigger and put an extra shelf up top for your mason jars.
It's useful for illustration and discussion purposes.
Yes they can. I've put the plans for building it, with pictures and detailed explanations up in my thread. I even included price lists and links to parts. I'm not a carpenter. Anybody can do what I've done. It's so easy, I can't imagine why I waited so long to start!
Ok then, but there's still the issue of how much can licensed businesses grow. Can they grow as much as they want? How much are the license fees going to cost and who is going to set them? Are the license fees going to be the same for all businesses, or depend on size?
Sure, every judge will be interpreting the law differently, but you're forgetting that whoever is put in charge of carrying out these tasks of regulation (most likely a newly created state agency), will be the ones who are actually interpreting the new law firsthand.
Who will be regulating herb? Will there be quality control? If so, will FDA be in charge?
The government will be the ones making new regulations based on prop 19. And if there is room for misinterpretation, we're gonna get fucked with all sorts of nonsense regulation. Think DMV.
Sure, every judge will be interpreting the law differently, but you're forgetting that whoever is put in charge of carrying out these tasks of regulation (most likely a newly created state agency), will be the ones who are actually interpreting the new law firsthand.
Who will be regulating herb? Will there be quality control? If so, will FDA be in charge?
The government will be the ones making new regulations based on prop 19. And if there is room for misinterpretation, we're gonna get fucked with all sorts of nonsense regulation. Think DMV.
on the business grows, well that's a bit different, localities determine the rules/limits
that could be interesting
with judges and interpretation, 1st time is the charm usually
judges go by precedent, minimal interpretation is usually the rule of the day
ultimately, the cali supreme court will decide what it means
Do you know how many people are in the closet about weed? If this passes, EVERYONE CAN COME OUT OF THE CLOSET. Do you know what that means? Are they going to hire a couple million new cops to bust people who have 2 ounces and 6x6ft? LOL. Switch to a less paranoid strain.
You really dont get the point do you.
We can argue trivial points all day long, the point is that 25sqft limits me. I dont want to potentially have to max out my plants and have to grow a ton of small ones or do this and that.
Like you said, your buds are fluffy. Can you produce rock hard nugs the same way? I dont even want to get into this type of argument because it doesn't matter.
What matters are my civil liberties and freedoms and 25sqft is enough to get me worrying about my legality.
What about ventilation? What if the ventilation runs outside of the 25sqft? This isn't a canopy sqftage but a grow space sqftage.
Eitherway, Its too close for comfort. If they said 100sqft, I, Frozenguy would be happier, but I would still not like it even though MY needs are met, because there are others out there that need more.
And I smoke a lot. My friends smoke a lot. I smoke to study, I smoke to take tests. I smoke all day long. And I smoke quality, good tasting herb that hits hard.
I see quality decreasing with large numbers of stick plants.
I dont really know how else to explain it. You have all the answers for your life, thats great. But that doesn't help others.
Its restricting what some people need. And just because Anti can grow and be happy with the results in 25sqft doesn't mean others can/will be.
Agree I did here they would be expensive and the county where you are doing business in is who will determine how much you can grow. There are things that will need to be hashed out when this passes. It's not going to be a ready set go
growing under 215 now, yeah?
? That post doesn't make much sense. First off I dont really know of many people that are "in the closet" about smoking in California.
Unless you're talking about ones job, which after prop19, they will still "be in the closet" because it wont protect them from various HR policies.
And no, they wont hire new cops, but if you let one in for some unrelated issue, or if someone breaks in and the cops nap them and see your grow, ect, you can get in legal trouble.
Who ever gets busted for smoking bud in their house? No one. Cops cant even come to your door to bust you if they see you smoking a joint through the window. Its not a crime punishable by a year, it also could be a cigarette. And prop19 makes you smoke indoors.
Yes, but not the point.
yes you can produce rock hard buds with small plants. You would need HID lighting to achieve this. LEDS im not sure not enough testing done yet for me to say yes/no. You need good light penetration for the density to get like you want
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