ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[JJScorpio]

What if it took 30sq' because you smoked a lot or shared with other adults in the residence or you weren't a good enough grower to produce enough in 25sq', should this ICmag community pay to imprison that 30sq' grower?

The Prop says yes, but I say no.

Lending your name to immoral legislation is troublesome. I wouldn't have liked to be part of the majority for "Separate but Equal" or many other of history's ill fated human rights abuses.

I used to grow a pound and a half every 60 days in less room than that. And that was more than enough for me, my wife and our friends. And I'd give some to disabled people we know.

I'll say it again. This law was not designed for commercial growers. It was designed for people that want to legally grow and smoke what they grow. And they can even carry an ounce legally. They won't have to worry about the fine, lol....

 

[Hydrosun]

I used to grow a pound and a half every 60 days in less room than that. And that was more than enough for me, my wife and our friends. And I'd give some to disabled people we know.

I'll say it again. This law was not designed for commercial growers. It was designed for people that want to legally grow and smoke what they grow. And they can even carry an ounce legally. They won't have to worry about the fine, lol....

I applaud the changes that make it easier for smokers, I just ask you and this community to think really hard before lending your name to a bill that would INCREASE penalties on some for the benefit of others.

There is no reason to sacrifice some members of this community to prison just so others may avoid fines, with the ultimate benefit accruing to the elites who get the few licenses passed out through bribes and political favor.

Don't support that which does not support your community. Prop 19 does not support the ICmag community.

 

[Anti]

What if it took 30sq' because you smoked a lot or shared with other adults in the residence or you weren't a good enough grower to produce enough in 25sq', should this ICmag community pay to imprison that 30sq' grower?

You can easily grow 3.5 lbs or more under CFL bulbs in a 25 sq ft space. (I'd wager you could do better with HID and/or sunlight). So lets say that you live with 2 others and you are all sharing a single space. That's 1.16 lbs per person every 2 months. That's 18.56 ounces. That's 8.48g per day! That's more than a quarter bag a day of fresh, perfectly cured, un-kiefed, unadulterated high potency herbage! EACH PERSON, EACH DAY.

Of course, if you need more than 8.48 g a day for PERSONAL USE ONLY (all your friends can grow their own too, remember?) you can always move into a separate residence, or perhaps rent a storage facility to grow your 5x5 in.

And those numbers above are assuming you plus 2 roomies. What if it's just you and your significant other?

That would be 12.8 grams a piece per day! That's almost half an ounce per day!

If you lived alone, almost an OUNCE A DAY! For you! To smoke! Or cook! Or to burn as incense.... or throw in the air!

 

[localhero]

I'll say it again. This law was not designed for commercial growers. It was designed for people that want to legally grow and smoke what they grow. And they can even carry an ounce legally. They won't have to worry about the fine, lol....

lol.

19 allows for commercial grows, albeit with un specified requirements and limitations on licensing..

it seems very obvious to me and others that the 25 ft limitation on the prop is indicative of the true intention of prop 19.

other than that, 215 offers more protection from persecution than 19.

so why are you screaming again?

 

[vta]

If you lived alone, almost an OUNCE A DAY! For you! To smoke! Or cook! Or to burn as incense.... or throw in the air!

He can't make money on an ounce

 

[Anti]

He can't make money on an ounce

He could always break the law or get a med rec as he is undoubtedly doing one or the other right now.

Either way, nothing would change for him.

So why is he so worried?

Oh yeah. Profits.

I keep forgetting that seeing as how I don't sell what I grow.

Also, my home grown homie CFL weed beats the crap out of anything anyone has ever brought me from a dispensary. And i'm a total newb.

So now what?

Oh yeah. Profits.

 

[Hydrosun]

You can easily grow 3.5 lbs or more under CFL bulbs in a 25 sq ft space. (I'd wager you could do better with HID and/or sunlight). So lets say that you live with 2 others and you are all sharing a single space. That's 1.16 lbs per person every 2 months. That's 18.56 ounces. That's 8.48g per day! That's more than a quarter bag a day of fresh, perfectly cured, un-kiefed, unadulterated high potency herbage! EACH PERSON, EACH DAY.

Of course, if you need more than 8.48 g a day for PERSONAL USE ONLY (all your friends can grow their own too, remember?) you can always move into a separate residence, or perhaps rent a storage facility to grow your 5x5 in.

And those numbers above are assuming you plus 2 roomies. What if it's just you and your significant other?

That would be 12.8 grams a piece per day! That's almost half an ounce per day!

If you lived alone, almost an OUNCE A DAY! For you! To smoke! Or cook! Or to burn as incense.... or throw in the air!

Dude I'd really like to see the set up that could knock out that weight.

I'm not a commercial guy I just have a shitty track home with bedrooms, and like I said I am not getting 1lb per 25sq' per month. That would mean if someone used 2 125sq' bedrooms for 250sq' they would be getting 10lbs a month.

These just aren't the numbers I see from my grow or others here on ICmag. I am not saying that I personally couldn't pull 8oz a month from that space and it would be enough for me, but I am saying that not everyone could do it. Some Californians may suffer crop failure or other issues and might not be able to grow their own consumption in 25sq'.

We should work on repealing that lame "Concentrated MJ" language in the current law. Does that mean if Prop 19 passes hash is still a felony and you can't buy it?

 

[localhero]

so far prop 19 on paper alone would benifit this person:

a childless hermit over the age of 21 without a med card and a gift for growing lbs in under 25sq ft of space.

sweeeeeeeet. sounds awesome! lets vote!

 

[Resin]

im prop 215 compliant and there is no way im voting YES. MMj keeps me safe without endorsing govement controlled MJ for tax money. I cant believe anyone here would vote yes to this shit.

 

[Bacchus]

If you can't point to the language that allows you to smoke in your house and I CAN point to the language that makes you a felon for smoking in a SPACE where children are present....

Which as a parent I TOTALLY support. You should not be smoking in the presence of child wether it is cannabis or tobacco EVER!!!!!

How can ANY parent not agree with this is beyond me.

Is it that hard to walk outside for a smoke?

 

[hotmellons]

thats it. if i american live in california i vote for this law

 

[rives]

Localhero, you're right. I am having trouble keeping up with your u-turns! You keep treating 215 and 19 as mutually exclusive and 215 being vastly superior. They will operate concurrently and cover different issues. The problem with this is...???

 

[localhero]

Localhero, you're right. I am having trouble keeping up with your u-turns! You keep treating 215 and 19 as mutually exclusive and 215 being vastly superior. They will operate concurrently and cover different issues. The problem with this is...???

the problem is that 19 creates more laws to fine and incarcerate cannabis users. unless youre the cat lady, or the childless hermit with a pet plant and a magic CFL without a med card.

the commercial licensing aspect of 19 allows for big business to lobby to exclude mom and pop growers from competing, or playing on a level field.

but, there is the glimmer of hope that we all band together to mold changes in the law after 19 passes to stop that from happening.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

you still dont have a valid argument to tell everyone why 19 is better than 215. because it isnt.

It's apples and oranges. One is for MMJ, and the other is for recreational use. 19 will not supersede 215, it explicitly says so.

 

[Hydrosun]

Which as a parent I TOTALLY support. You should not be smoking in the presence of child wether it is cannabis or tobacco EVER!!!!!

How can ANY parent not agree with this is beyond me.

Is it that hard to walk outside for a smoke?

It may be beyond you but I grew up with every aunt, uncle, and grand parent sucking down cigs like they were holly water. Should they all be non-smokers and treat me nicer? Sure, but should they be imprisoned for smoking or drinking in front of me when I was under 18, I say no.

It is not too hard to find an area away from your kids and many of us now do, but when they run around looking for you and happen to track you down should you become a felon? Again I think alchohol is mare harmful than MJ and if one can order beer in public to be consumed in front of their children (restaurant, sports game, in the park, etc.) than there need not be any laws regarding MJ in front of children.

Not saying take bong hits in front of the kid, but if you take him to a baseball game and the beers are flowing and being sold by vendors walking up and down the isles then you shouldn't be concerned if he sees someone smoking a joint or cig.

 

[Anti]

Dude I'd really like to see the set up that could knock out that weight.

My total newb setup knocked out 3.5 oz with 500w of CFL in four square feet of space. That was not a perp harvest, but 13 small plants in 32oz containers.

I could have easily fit all those plants into 2 sq feet, but I made the newb mistake of vegging too long and overgrew my cab and had to waste a bunch of space.

Since then I have been pulling about 3/4 to just under an ounce a week perpetually in only 2.01 sq feet. (using the other 2 square feet for veg/clone.)

I've been growing for about a year. I use $10 nutes. I use CFL bulbs (switching to PLLs soon. Watch my results get better!)

If I can perpetually pull 21g a week (and others here are doing the same or better) out of 2.01 sq feet... just extrapolate that up to 25 sq feet.

I'm using 2 sq feet. So 25 sq feet is more than 12 times that! But lets just say 10x.

210g a week? That could sustain me. Shiiiiit. 1 tenth of that is sustaining me NOW and I smoke out all of my friends on a regular basis and I'm blazing as we speak!

THANK YOU ICMAG COMMUNITY!
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[Bacchus]

My parents were the same way with tobacco.

Have you ever heard of the research into 2nd hand smoke? Most of the research has been with tobacco but what are the LONG TERM effects on children from 2nd hand cannabis smoke? Who nose?

Your alcohol comparison does not hold water, how does a child inhale a beer when I drink it?

I am seeing it as a 2nd hand smoke issue, you are trying to frame it as a moral issue for parents not to do something immoral in front of their children.

And yes, you can go outside for a walk. If you can't make the effort to not smoke in front of them, then you suck at being a parent and need to quit recreactional smoking.

It may be beyond you but I grew up with every aunt, uncle, and grand parent sucking down cigs like they were holly water. Should they all be non-smokers and treat me nicer? Sure, but should they be imprisoned for smoking or drinking in front of me when I was under 18, I say no.

It is not too hard to find an area away from your kids and many of us now do, but when they run around looking for you and happen to track you down should you become a felon? Again I think alchohol is mare harmful than MJ and if one can order beer in public to be consumed in front of their children (restaurant, sports game, in the park, etc.) than there need not be any laws regarding MJ in front of children.

Not saying take bong hits in front of the kid, but if you take him to a baseball game and the beers are flowing and being sold by vendors walking up and down the isles then you shouldn't be concerned if he sees someone smoking a joint or cig.

 

[localhero]

we could also pool our money together and vote on something really simple and easy to defend by even the most inept public defender:

No person shall be persecuted, penalized, fined, incarcerated, or limited by law to consume, possess, cultivate, or sell cannabis in the state of california

very simple. lets do it.

 

[JJScorpio]

Localhero, you're right. I am having trouble keeping up with your u-turns! You keep treating 215 and 19 as mutually exclusive and 215 being vastly superior. They will operate concurrently and cover different issues. The problem with this is...???

People will be growing their own and not running around the streets buying 60 dollar eighths while taking a chance of getting a ticket or robbed..........

How stupid of me. Why would I vote for something that would make it legal for millions to grow and smoke their own when the wording isn't how I like it? If they changed it to 40 sq ft I'd want 50. If they gave me 50 I'd want 60.

If I can't grow as much as I want I don't want to grow any, lol....

Commercial growers should be thankful it doesn't let people grow as much as they want. The price would go down to 100 an ounce. And you might have trouble getting rid of that.

 

[localhero]

JJ- if you didnt have me on ignore, you would have seen i already answered that:

the problem is that 19 creates more laws to fine and incarcerate cannabis users. unless youre the cat lady, or the childless hermit with a pet plant and a magic CFL without a med card.

the commercial licensing aspect of 19 allows for big business to lobby to exclude mom and pop growers from competing, or playing on a level field.

but, there is the glimmer of hope that we all band together to mold changes in the law after 19 passes to stop that from happening.