Bozo.....while I havent worked on big clones much I did this one with the popcicle mold cloner.... and a menards bag...(or similar)
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yeah man, cloning is only magic in the beginning, after a while it becomes routine.Yup that's the tray lolThanks Bozo. So are perlites root-rates are higher?
...the beauty of this passive wick-style approach is that it is so simple and reliable and once you master this simple approach, all other cloning tech's become simple to master.
...and that perlite cloning thread i linked to above rely's on the same passive approach as this one does so your results should be just as good once you do a couple runs to get a feel for it.
...frankly though, that cell tray cloning is more for someone who needs many clones, me i only do maybe a dozen at a time so my popsicle mold cloners work great for my small time needs. ...basically i just put one 'flavor' in each cloner so labeling is simple and when they are rooted i veg for a couple weeks, select the strongest and compost the rest, actually, i feed them to my worms but hey, that's a kind of composting too, lol.
peace, SOG
gardener60
Active member
Cloning gel
Cloning gel
I know you veterans have probably read about this or have done it but i thought i would post this from a site called build a soil. Take a fresh tip of aloe vera and rub it on your plant stems before you plant them into the cloning soil below. Or Ideally, blend up the fresh aloe filet and mix with water and soak your cuttings in a cup of this mixture before planting. Say a 1" chunk for a tall glass of water? Not need to be exact, they Aloe leaf is very high in a compound called salicylic acid and is the key component for cloning purposes. Another way to do this is to purchase aloe vera juice at the health food store at about 1/4 cup per gallon. In any case give me some feed back on it.
Cloning gel
I know you veterans have probably read about this or have done it but i thought i would post this from a site called build a soil. Take a fresh tip of aloe vera and rub it on your plant stems before you plant them into the cloning soil below. Or Ideally, blend up the fresh aloe filet and mix with water and soak your cuttings in a cup of this mixture before planting. Say a 1" chunk for a tall glass of water? Not need to be exact, they Aloe leaf is very high in a compound called salicylic acid and is the key component for cloning purposes. Another way to do this is to purchase aloe vera juice at the health food store at about 1/4 cup per gallon. In any case give me some feed back on it.
gardener60
Active member
Cone-tainers
Cone-tainers
I was looking at this site about cone-tainers for trees and i thought they can be used for any seedlings to ensure good long root development.
Cone-tainers
I was looking at this site about cone-tainers for trees and i thought they can be used for any seedlings to ensure good long root development.
“Willow Water” – How it Works
“Willow Water” is a homebrew plant rooting hormone that is easily made and can be used to increase the strike rate (growth of roots) of cuttings that you’re trying to propagate.
The way that it works can be attributed to two substances that can be found within the Salix (Willow) species, namely, indolebutyric acid (IBA) and Salicylic acid (SA).
Indolebutyric acid (IBA) is a plant hormone that stimulates root growth. It is present in high concentrations in the growing tips of willow branches. By using the actively growing parts of a willow branch, cutting them, and soaking them in water, you can get significant quantities of IBA to leach out into the water.
Salicylic acid (SA) (which is a chemical similar to the headache medicine Aspirin) is a plant hormone which is involved in signalling a plant’s defences, it is involved in the process of “systemic acquired resistance” (SAR) – where an attack on one part of the plant induces a resistance response to pathogens (triggers the plant’s internal defences) in other parts of the plant. It can also trigger a defence response in nearby plants by converting the salicylic acid into a volatile chemical form.
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If one is an organic nazi....I certainly would use willow water rather than aloe.....
Both contain salicylic acid but willow water contains iba...which is the active ingredient in clonex....
but being the lazy ass I am.....just purple clonex.....
gardener60
Active member
I guess i would use both of them because 1 is organic and has SA and the other is organic and has IBA and SA. I guess the next question is how available are the two. Aloe has been in our home forever and i will try to find some willow to make a solution to also use.
Since I have never used willow water I did a few minutes of schmoozing to see what I could find.....
It seems there is a complicating factor.....
The iba in the willow bark is not water soluble.....
I use clonex purple....
surejam123
New member
Hey dudes I'm sorry to inform you all but walmart has discontinued this ice tray / cloner ... They must have gotten wind that we were useing them for cloning purposes . Thats why we need to keep things quiet on our stealth end of growing .
surejam123
New member
Ebay only has a few left ??
...yeah man, this has been covered before, ...the truth is that the specific container used isn't what makes this elegantly simple wick-style of cloning so effective, it's the principles so once you get a feel for it it becomes very easy to find alternative containers.
(click the pic)
...i know this thread is old and therefore long but you'd be surprised at how much information you can glean from thoroughly reading these older threads.
you're lucky this one is still active, so many awesome threads have been forgotten, lost in the fullness of time.
peace, bozo
I was looking for this thread a while ago, now here it is.
Thanks for keeping it active. Good to know its the technique and not
the product that makes this work.
However, the first post shows the wallyworld product but I haven't found if
the OP cut the bottom off the white tubes. In a later post OP describes
pushing the cutting up with a coin and a pencil.
Am I close, if so. how to gauge rate of wick with a different
container?
Thanks for keeping it active. Good to know its the technique and not
the product that makes this work.
However, the first post shows the wallyworld product but I haven't found if
the OP cut the bottom off the white tubes. In a later post OP describes
pushing the cutting up with a coin and a pencil.
Am I close, if so. how to gauge rate of wick with a different
container?
yeah man, the original ice-tube-trays came with a removable bottom so no cutting was necessary, ...with the originals all you needed to do was drill a couple small holes in each 'cell' bottom so the water could wick up into the media.
...the models that are currently available do NOT have that removable bottom so holes still need to be drilled to allow wicking.
...if you don't already have them i'd recommend the popsicle molds i linked to above from ebay, first they are cheap and second, because they are tapered, removing your rooted clones is much easier.
...with either the new style ice-tube-tray or the popsicle molds i would make the hole big enough to fit something like a pencil in the bottom so you can push the clones out rather than risking tearing the fragile roots as you pull your clones out.
...oh yeah, it's much easier making those holes with a soldering iron rather than a drill, actually, the popsicle molds have a sort of brittle plastic so drilling just breaks them so the soldering iron is the only way to make the holes safely,
...and here is a ram i made by screwing a penny to a piece of dowel but all you really need is a pencil or a 6 penny nail to use as a ram.
peace, bozo
Im the OP.... I have in fact used 3 different walmart devices for cloning...
The original had the sheet of bottom caps...... great for lots of clones in a small area...
Then that was replaces by a one piece unit... which worked just fine.....but was recently discontinued by walmart....
Then last year or so I began using the popsicle mold......
Of the 3 I prefer generally the popsicle molt becasue you can see the roots....
I have not lost a clone in some months..... when I first put this thread I was getting about 90% to root....
I do two things differently now.... I put the cloner and res into a plastic bag...... at first loosely closed..... then later open at the top...
ANd I now scarify the stem by scraping on either side of the stem.....
maintain your clones at 80 degrees 24 hours a day......
and count to 14 days...
Glad to know you, I have some colorful transparent
plastic tubes that sold as bubbles for the kids. They
resemble test tubes. Drilled the screw top, and I cut
the rounded bottom off.
Flipped it, so the top is the bottom.
Fine vermiculite wicks easily, and kept on my seedling
mat set up. Temps at 80F +/-.
When ready, Ill unscrew the cap bottom and push up.
I'll post a pic next lights on.
Most excellent thread.
I would be inclined to advise a 3 dollar aquarium thermometer to monitor temps where the plants are.... not the mat itself....
This thread has always been mostly about providing temps which suit cloning the best....
78-82 degrees.....
You can use great technique..... but if your temps are wrong..... fail......
This thread has always been mostly about providing temps which suit cloning the best....
78-82 degrees.....
You can use great technique..... but if your temps are wrong..... fail......
HorseBadoritiz
Active member
That was the key for me, I went from about 50% without a proper heat mat and thermostat, to 95% with one.
The popsicle trays are great, they take bigger cuts and I can see the roots...no bag, but I do scrape.
Here's my hack:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7372491&postcount=287
And here's a pic to look at if the above link fails:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7372491&postcount=287
And here's a pic to look at if the above link fails:
that should work fine so long as you keep the temps around 80 as BDR said above and in the first posting of the thread.
...the only suggestion i'd make is that you switch to an opaque cup for your 'reservoirs' as the translucent ones that you're using will allow algae growth, ...not a YUGE problem but still something to be avoided.
...oh yeah, and don't sweat that you don't have a lot of vertical space above your rooting cuts, you're not looking for new vegetative growth so almost no light is needed, in my own case i modified a small cabinet to do my cloning and seedstarts in that has an open shelf where i root my clones up top and short-term veg newly rooted clones down below, ...there is no light up top, just down below so the cloners only get reflected light which has proven to be more than sufficient for the purpose.
...this isn't a very good pic but it should serve to illustrate my point.
...here's the back of the newly modified cab, just for shits and giggles.
good luck, bozo
Thanks, algae has shown up on my flowering plants, coco hempy’s. Also, the cuttings literally have
5.5” from floor to ceiling , lol
Nice work on the box mod, too.
5.5” from floor to ceiling , lol
Nice work on the box mod, too.
Just a heads up for those near a walmart...
The new wick cloner of choice is the popcicle mold
They are a seasonal item.....
In michigan they just set up a display...
92 cents........ I bought a couple...
If you want to pick up a good reservoir.....
Find the ice cube trays....
The have a white ice cube BIN for less than 2 bucks....
add an aquarium thermometer for 3 bucks and you are in business...
The best cloner you dont plug in....
The new wick cloner of choice is the popcicle mold
They are a seasonal item.....
In michigan they just set up a display...
92 cents........ I bought a couple...
If you want to pick up a good reservoir.....
Find the ice cube trays....
The have a white ice cube BIN for less than 2 bucks....
add an aquarium thermometer for 3 bucks and you are in business...
The best cloner you dont plug in....
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