I thought dispensary experiences were suppose to be pleasant

[SouthernSmoker]

well as a medicine we all know of the dreaded side effects of any of them and they are portrayed as negative . What would be wrong about one medicine out of millions with a positive side effect ?

 

[Dislexus]

No, this is drawing the definition of "medical" so wide as to render it meaningless.

Otherwise, people who go to movies to unwind are using them "medically."

Otherwise, people who masturbate when stressed are doing so "medically."

Otherwise, people read books to relax are reading "medically."

Otherwise, people who watch sporting events are doing so "medically."

It's also not the case that everyone getting high for recreation is doing so to lessen a stress -- one can do so simply for the enjoyment of being high without it meaning one is negating a particular stress. I still like getting high when I feel wholly contented with life -- it's an enjoyment in itself regardless of outside circumstance.

People do get "fucked up" for a reason -- because it's fun -- it's an enjoyment.

Your examples are all false because they are not drugs you take into your body. So your entire argument is baseless and falls apart, sorry.

I could counter with valium, xanax, prozac, etc etc etc.

Your examples are all false because they are not drugs you take into your body. So your entire argument is baseless and falls apart, sorry.

I could counter with valium, xanax, prozac, etc etc etc.

Also the relief of general stress is an intrinsic part of the enjoyment of being high, as is the relief of persistent background pain from old injuries.

 

[LoSwaga]

Great pic, but the "mainstream" will say: "That young man sure looks strong and healthy! It's all a scam to legalize weed!" ;-)

That is one fine looking dispensary. The fact it got shut down just goes to show you that the way it looked did little for its "mainstream" acceptance.

the general public probably would say "wow, look at that kid, he looks healthy" because chances are...he is perfectly healthy, and he just played the system the way the VAST majority of medical users do every single day.

the "mainstream" vote ain't ever gonna be cast our way until we clean shit up and make it look right...MMJ as it is right now is a fucking joke and I think we all realize that by now...

 

[longearedfriend]

wrong ? nothing

big difference ? yes

and when there's change waiting to happen quickly there is resistance

transition has to be smooth

like butter

 

[supermanlives]

how does closing them help the people you claim to care about?

i take care of all my patients directly. they dont need the clubs. and they get meds at about half of what the clubs charge

 

[supermanlives]

I hope you are sooo wrong, they employ alot of good ppl, if they close them all we are doomed. There are good business's and bad ones...that goes for restaurants, clothing stores, whatever. Just have to find the one works the best for you!
I give away ALOT of meds to ppl that have nothing! man posts like this get me pissed off.
I better go smoke!

the percentage of truly compassionate dispensaries is about as small as the numbers of truly sick people recieving their medical weed. this law was supposed to help the truly sick not a bunch of stoners. nor cal clubs might be different but not here in so cal. i have been involved in this fight for a long time. since shelter from the storm and steve.i have also met quite a few disp owners and a few bragged how much they made.i refused to vend to a few due to them being what i consider crooks taking advantage of peeps for their own profit

 

[HempHut]

Your examples are all false because they are not drugs you take into your body. So your entire argument is baseless and falls apart, sorry.

Also the relief of general stress is an intrinsic part of the enjoyment of being high, as is the relief of persistent background pain from old injuries.

Don't be silly.

The argument form is exactly the same -- I just provided counter-examples to it.

Consider the overeater, then:

They're ingesting food, broken down into chemicals causing the release of endorphins.

Do we consider someone having five double cheeseburgers for lunch as "eating medically?" Medicating with food? Of course not. Some people overeat in reaction to stress, but that doesn't mean that the reaction is necessarily one we consider to be medicine simply because it might provide a temporary relief. Furthermore, people will overeat simply because it tastes and feels good to do so.

Or the alcohol consumer:

Alcohol can provide relief from stresses, but we don't look at someone getting drunk as taking a medicine -- drinking medically. It's a nonsense to say so. In fact, someone who says they use alcohol to cope with everyday life would be someone I would be pretty concerned about. And again, people also drink simply because it is fun to do so -- we don't call alcohol medicine because some people find fun in its consumption.

To say "recreation = medical" makes the term "medicine" so wide that anything done, consumed, thought about or experienced in any positive way must be considered a medicine -- which in turn makes the term virtually meaningless.

Also, how can you account for someone who is happy, content and enjoying where they are in life wanting to get high? If recreational use is nothing more than a reaction to stress, and therefore medical, why would anyone feeling good desire being high?

 

[dagnabit]

i take care of all my patients directly. they dont need the clubs. and they get meds at about half of what the clubs charge

ok..
thats awesome.

but that doesn't tell me how taking away options from other patients helped yours?

how is a single patient helped by the shutdown?
what is the direct benefit?

 

[rick shaw]

i take care of all my patients directly. they dont need the clubs. and they get meds at about half of what the clubs charge

People that are non-ambulatory or disabled really appreciate quality meds delivered at half of what dispen$arys charge.

It's not fun to watch somebody poor navigate two buses with a wheelchair,to pay $50+ for an eighth.

 

[rives]

So if you are growing on your own land and it pisses your neighbor off, then you should not be free to grow?

My logic may seem ridiculous to you because I promote freedom and you preach submission to others.

You speak of other's feelings and how they are superior to the peaceful activity of the individual.

I do happen to think OverGrowing is the answer and growers are my friends not poachers. You can't poach on your own land, because to poach implies a theft or violation of the rights of others. Raising animals or crops on your own land is not poaching it is agriculture.

I think that people should be free to grow, certainly. I also think that their neighbors have rights. Doing commercial level grow-ops in a residential setting doesn't do any of us a favor. If someone has a residential-sized parcel and wants to discretely do enough plants for personal use, fine. On the other hand, if they are filling up their back yards on a city parcel and the neighbors are concerned about rippers, smell, etc, then that is trampling on the neighbor's rights. My point is that to simply do as you want because the law is currently in our favor is short-sighted and inconsiderate, and will result in the law being changed. Guess what is happening all over California right now?

At what point does your "freedom" demand "submission" by others? How is it that your rights are "superior" to your neighbors? Incidentally, most city lots aren't zoned for "agriculture".

 

[dagnabit]

People that are non-ambulatory or disabled really appreciate quality meds delivered at half of what dispen$arys charge.

It's not fun to watch somebody poor navigate two buses with a wheelchair,to pay $50+ for an eighth.

what really sucks to see is those same people who now have NO access.

 

[Dislexus]

Consider the overeater, then:

Or the alcohol consumer:

Also, how can you account for someone who is happy, content and enjoying where they are in life wanting to get high? If recreational use is nothing more than a reaction to stress, and therefore medical, why would anyone feeling good desire being high?

The overeater is medicating with endorphins, not cheesburgers. Their compulsion is a clear sign they need to be prescribed medicine.

Alcohol is a poison. Guess what, huffing gasoline for stress relief isn't medicating either.

Happy people have daily stress and anxiety, cuz that's life. A major part of their enjoyment of being high is the relaxation and ease of cares, and background pain relief. The recreational user is subconsciously self-medicating.

Now with coccaine the line between medical use and recreational use is clear due to the affects of the drug. Vice versa with cannabis.

 

[HempHut]

A major part of their enjoyment of being high is the relaxation and ease of cares, and background pain relief. The recreational user is subconsciously self-medicating.

Nonsense.

Why did I want to get high when on vacation? I literally had not a worry for that whole time. No stresses, away from regular life, beautiful natural surroundings, no daily concerns -- not even thinking about anything beyond the day.

My stress level was at an all time low. My desire to get high was marked -- not because I need "my medicine to help me cope with life" -- because it's fun, and I wanted to have fun while in such a relaxed state. Period.

No doubt getting high can help with stress. Just as watching a movie or reading a book can help with stress. These can act as counter-irritants to stresses, but that does not make them medicine. To call counter-irritants "medicine" is to render the term virtually meaningless.

 

[Dislexus]

Actually dude you might be an addict

Seriously tho there is always stress/hassle, it doesn't vanish, no matter the present circumstance, there is always the past and the future. You medicated to relieve it, so could focus on having a good time in the present. You weren't freaking out, but you felt the need to relax, relative to your disposition, and self-medicated.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

self medicating and recreational drug use are the same thing in my eyes . I don't take Xanax cause i want to i take it because i have to .
There is a big difference in the two ! Just like there is a difference in medical and legalized cannabis

 

[rick shaw]

what really sucks to see is those same people who now have NO access.

The present dispensary system in California S U C K S.

There are to many cities with nada because of moratoriums,and in between there are cities with clusters,in SF most are in a 2 mile radius.

I've been in the messenger industry for the better part of 25 years. Delivery will solve many problems. No more hang out areas for neer-do-wells.

Delivery is more labor intensive then a brick and mortar,so it will be not job loss,but more jobs.Three indys that I know of started this month,one is hiring.

Why should any patient,disabled or not,have to go to a brick and mortar.You want a pizza or groceries delivered,they want your money,they will deliver.

Delivery services can be large like www.thegreencross.org or small indys. like www.kine2b.com or www.blazemessenger.com

 

[dagnabit]

i liked this one...

when i was shopping out there.

www.northstoneorganics.com

they were delivery only..

sadly clicking the link will yield you this result

We are closed due to a federal raid on our farm. The entire crop was eradicated. We are closed until further notice. We will be sending out an e-letter informing memberships of what they can do as well as upcoming protests.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

don't think delivery will be immune

the feds raided them seemingly against local sheriff's and citizen's wishes and despite being in compliance with state law.


a great article with a good audio file.

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/...ty-sheriff-tom-allman-on-yesterdays-dea-raid/

 

[rick shaw]

My delivery service,Damn Hippie Delivery,doesn't have a web site or goes on PBS bragging.

Nobody is immune,but the fools and the self deluded e$timated prophets,will be the first to fall.

 

[HempHut]

Seriously tho there is always stress/hassle, it doesn't vanish, no matter the present circumstance, there is always the past and the future. You medicated to relieve it, so could focus on having a good time in the present. You weren't freaking out, but you felt the need to relax, relative to your disposition, and self-medicated.

Oh, I see now -- everyone is sick all the time. I get it. Rather convenient argument that is when MJ is only legal for the sick. Nice how that worked out.

Now what was that I was saying, repeatedly, about the term "medicine" becoming virtually meaningless...

The evil past and future were preventing me from having a good time -- I wasn't actually having a good time (despite me feeling like I was having a great time) until I got high to relieve the block that prevented my good time faculty from functioning.

What a stench -- as we're now waist deep in it.

BTW, there is such a thing as being-in-the-moment.

 

[Dislexus]

Yeah, its called Alzheimer's.