Humboldt County worries about life after legal pot

[baet]

every grower i know personally wants cannabis to remain illegal, or at least medical. none of these people i know live in humboldt, i don't know much about "humboldt" growers which is a huge generalization in its self since there's all sorts of folk who grow, but they do not smoke meth and i don't consider them greedy.

one is growing to help pay the costs of his mother's cancer treatment. another is growing to pay off his property and home mortgage...

it's a lot of people's source of income, some grew up in the business, and have been doing it there whole life. and they work their asses off.

there are the ones who get greedy. and fuck the MEXICAN CARTEL bullshit who keep destroying pristine forest with their trash. supposedly they got a good cut of headband last season and flooded the market with their 1000 plant grows of headband, fuck ha.


it's a very touchy emotional subject. i don't have much to say about it.




i don't wan't to start a slippery slope argument with this next statement, but if cannabis was legalized IMO either the government or privatized corporations would find a way to either corrupt and/or make major profit off the system. it's something to consider.

 

[baet]

Legalization in CA may cause a stop to the standstill of federal intervention in the CA dope scene. The president's drug czar said that legalization is "not in his vocabulary" so I don't think they'd have a problem raiding/incarcerating however many thousands of individuals it would take to scare people away from the idea of ending prohibition. You take "medical" away from the word marijuana and it becomes a completely different issue, politically. I don't know that California representatives would speak against federal intervention in a radical citizen proposition. I also think that now is the wrong time to be trying to change an industry that right now feeds so many (how many families in California depend on medical profits?).

I also want to make my nut. Know that your vote for legalization in Cali will be negated by my vote against it.

right on, really good point

 

[baet]

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[The Bling]

OHH NOOOS I CANT MAKE MONEY WITH OUT GROWING DOPEE!!!


BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[baet]

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[WeedSavesLives]

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[Gdood9]

ganjapharma- If it gets legalized I seriously doubt there will be a place for you to off $1500 pounds of outdoor. Plus top quality outdoor can't compare to top quality indoor.

Whoa whoa whoa. You have obviously never smoked great pot grown outdoors. Ever had buds from Hawaii, Highlands of Mexico, or Nepal? It's good shit. Real good shit. I'd take top quality outdoors over top quality indoors anyday and I have a nice little indoor garden of my own. Cannabis is supposed to be grown outdoors bro. That's where it's been for a long time. I highly doubt you've got all the spectrum's of light and adequate UV-B in your indoor lights. Yea, ok indoor will totally beat reg outdoor anyday, but to compare top shelf indoor and outdoor, the outdoor is gonna win.

If legalization does happen, and happens the right way, indoor will pretty much go by the way unless you've got a massive warehouse or something similar. Outdoors is so much more cost-effective and if given a little TLC is just as good and better than indoors.

 

[meduser180056]

haha right Gdood9... I lived in Humboldt for 4 years buddy and had access to plenty of killer outdoor... I stayed in Petrolia honeydew with friends for a whole season one year...

IMhO top quality indoor beats top quality outdoor. If your talking about yield, cost effectiveness, etc then yeah outdoor wins hands down.

"Highlands of mexico"
yeah they turn out some good good...

I'm thinking there will be a lot of greenhouse grows if legalization happens. Well see if indoor goes by the wayside I seriously doubt it though. I think Warehouse grows will definetly be happening still and people growing small amounts in their houses.

 

[B. Friendly]

it's gonna be a supply and demand issue for economics and price. Prices will go up I figure as growers will be inclined to pay taxes which are not currently factored into the price?????

 

[Gdood9]

haha right Gdood9... I lived in Humboldt for 4 years buddy and had access to plenty of killer outdoor... I stayed in Petrolia honeydew with friends for a whole season one year...

IMhO top quality indoor beats top quality outdoor. If your talking about yield, cost effectiveness, etc then yeah outdoor wins hands down.

"Highlands of mexico"
yeah they turn out some good good...

I'm thinking there will be a lot of greenhouse grows if legalization happens. Well see if indoor goes by the wayside I seriously doubt it though. I think Warehouse grows will definetly be happening still and people growing small amounts in their houses.

Cool, humboldt, whatever. Humboldt doesn't mean anything anymore. All the old heads aren't growing anymore or grow for personal and the young guys just cash crop now. I've lived all over cali and the united states. There's dank growers everywhere, not just humboldt. I actually grow my own shit and aim for potency. Have you ever had real mexican bud, not cartel brick? Have you even been to mexico?

 

[gingerale]

I know one thing for sure, if you have some Mexican seeds you don't want give them to me, I'll have em planted in 10 mins. Brick weed seed can turn out some of the nicest and best plants. There are some strong ass, trippy sativas down in Mexico that aren't to be fucked with, and which make a lot of these shitty commercial hybrids nowadays look like a joke.

 

[headband 707]

For the most part I would agree meduser

For the most part I would agree meduser

haha right Gdood9... I lived in Humboldt for 4 years buddy and had access to plenty of killer outdoor... I stayed in Petrolia honeydew with friends for a whole season one year...

IMhO top quality indoor beats top quality outdoor. If your talking about yield, cost effectiveness, etc then yeah outdoor wins hands down.

"Highlands of mexico"
yeah they turn out some good good...

I'm thinking there will be a lot of greenhouse grows if legalization happens. Well see if indoor goes by the wayside I seriously doubt it though. I think Warehouse grows will definetly be happening still and people growing small amounts in their houses.

But I had some outdoor a few years back that was just as good as the indoor killer that we were getting. Which I must admit I was surprised by. It only happened once though lol lol.. So find right seed, season , latitude, GROWER and your golden IMHO. All three grows are different as all know greenhouse ,outside ,indoor and you can't always bring for example an indoor PK to a greenhouse situation fucks it right up lol peace out Headband707

 

[meduser180056]

Cool, humboldt, whatever. Humboldt doesn't mean anything anymore. All the old heads aren't growing anymore or grow for personal and the young guys just cash crop now. I've lived all over cali and the united states. There's dank growers everywhere, not just humboldt. I actually grow my own shit and aim for potency. Have you ever had real mexican bud, not cartel brick? Have you even been to mexico?

I was there in the late 90s early 2000s and the people I learned from up there had been there since the 70s homesteaders. The whole town is off the grid... Anyhow these weren't some fucking upstarts they were old school humboldt and they had the best outdoor I've ever seen. There is a reason there is a strain called petrolia headstash... There still doing their thing too...

Anyhow it's just an opinion I think it's funny people argue the point... IME indoor is better and I bet most people agree... not that I don't like some well grown killer outdoor just doesn't compare to some indoor og fire...

I know the bud in Mexico is better than the cartel brick, but it still doesn't touch good Norcal outdoor... Again just an opinion.

I think most people on these boards grow their own shit so good for you

 

[meduser180056]

I know one thing for sure, if you have some Mexican seeds you don't want give them to me, I'll have em planted in 10 mins. Brick weed seed can turn out some of the nicest and best plants. There are some strong ass, trippy sativas down in Mexico that aren't to be fucked with, and which make a lot of these shitty commercial hybrids nowadays look like a joke.

I had a friend that used to grow out brick weed seeds and granted he actually found some decent phenos, some that were better than some of the crappy phenos he found in seedpacks he bought so your points taken... But they weren't that special... Maybe if he just kept growing em out he'd eventually find a gem, but I think there's a reason we don't have any clone only strains that were found from brick weed. If you really want to go that route you need to get mexican seeds that come from real growers in Mexico not cartel brick shit. Anyhow this is all off topic have fun with the schwag...

 

[Payaso]

Howdy everyone, sorry I did not read thru this entire thread to check and see if this was posted or not before, but I thought it was relevant to the original post.

This is a serious issue here in Northern California, what was thought to be a sustainable culture that would provide for families needs for generations is now threatened by the same desire for Cannabis Freedom that initiated their original desire to grow?

Humboldt County afraid of being uprooted from pot perch

As legalization of marijuana grows as a possibility, the Northern California enclave where weed culture thrives ponders its future. Would its pot economy wither or does greater opportunity await?

By Sam Quinones

April 7, 2010 | 5:54 p.m.
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Reporting from Garberville, Calif.
In this region renowned for potent marijuana buds, many in Humboldt County long accepted that legalizing the weed was the right thing to do.

Now some folks aren't so sure.

A statewide initiative in November would allow cities to regulate pot possession and cultivation. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) has proposed a broader legalization. Neither is certain to pass.

Yet as medical marijuana has spread and city and state budgets are being slashed, legalized marijuana is becoming more possible than ever. That has some people here thinking twice.

Wholesale prices have dropped in the last five years -- from $4,000 a pound to below $3,000 for the best cannabis -- as medical-marijuana dispensaries have attracted a slew of new growers statewide, Humboldt growers say.

Recently, "Keep Pot Illegal" bumper stickers have been seen on cars around the county. In chat rooms and on blogs, anonymous writers predict that tobacco companies will crush small farmers and take marijuana production to the Central Valley.

With legalization, if residents don't act, "we're going to be ruined," said Anna Hamilton, a radio host on KMUD-FM (91.1) in southern Humboldt County.

In March, Hamilton organized a community meeting in Garberville addressing the question "What's After Pot?" It attracted more than 150 people, including a county supervisor, economic development consultants and business owners.

All this was unimaginable to the hippies and student radicals who came here in the 1960s and '70s, escaping a conventional world they abhorred. As marijuana's price steadily rose, it funded their escape. In time, mom-and-pop growers became experts.

The plant thrived in the tolerant climate -- cultural and geographic -- of far Northern California. Small plots got bigger. An Emerald Triangle of premium marijuana growers formed in Humboldt, Trinity and Mendocino counties until, virtually alone, they supported the economies.

Following Hamilton's lead, a meeting will be held in Ukiah, Mendocino's county seat, on April 24 to discuss "The Future of Cannabis in Northern California." Speakers include the director of the Ukiah Chamber of Commerce.

Read the full story here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-humboldt8-2010apr08,0,3326419,full.story

 

[reality checker]

wow. people wanting cannabis to remain ILLEGAL so they can make MORE money? How greedy are those Humboldt growers? No wonder so many call cannabis growers greedy! Thanks, folks, for proving them RIGHT!

 

[reality checker]

I can see both sides of the fence because I've been on both sides.
You have to respect N.Cal for bringing weed to us all for years when things sucked back in the 80's,but then again,last year up here in the PNW there was way too much herb from Cali. tromping on the local guys turf.
Legal or not I'll always grow it.........price would go down,but that just means more freedom to grow more herb to make up for it. Also,if you know how to grow well....You'll have a jump on the competition out of the starting gate. Just my thoughts....not gospel.

there will still be top shelf, and don't forget, some outdoor crops have better seasons than others. similar to wine. and not everyone can grow TOP SHELF cannabis. It takes years to perfect it.

 

[OMountainMix]

I think earlier in this thread, people were mentioning that a lot of people have large mortgages and the drop in the price of pot is making it hard to pay their mortgages, utilities, and feed their kids. If a business's product starts making more than 25% less profit, then it becomes hard to keep that business open. I don't think these people are living the high roller life, I think they're worried about paying the bills. That's not greed, that's survival.

 

[reality checker]

I think earlier in this thread, people were mentioning that a lot of people have large mortgages and the drop in the price of pot is making it hard to pay their mortgages, utilities, and feed their kids. If a business's product starts making more than 25% less profit, then it becomes hard to keep that business open. I don't think these people are living the high roller life, I think they're worried about paying the bills. That's not greed, that's survival.

But it is also reality for hundreds of thousands of american families who are not old time growers. Many businesses were started because of the housing boom. Many of those are now defunkt, bankrupt, and closed.

 

[torealforthcbay]

I think earlier in this thread, people were mentioning that a lot of people have large mortgages and the drop in the price of pot is making it hard to pay their mortgages, utilities, and feed their kids. If a business's product starts making more than 25% less profit, then it becomes hard to keep that business open. I don't think these people are living the high roller life, I think they're worried about paying the bills. That's not greed, that's survival.

from 4k to 3k a pound is a big drop, granted. but we are talken weed here. here is what i mean. as an indoor grower, your investment is paid for by the first harvest. all your equipment is paid. that leaves you with rent/mortgage, utilites, bills, and paying for trimmers, packagers, transporters, whatever, if you dont do that stuff yourself. also you can usually pay your help in weed. indoor, with 8 or more lights, you can harvest 52 times a year. my point is, if you cant manage to pay your bills selling weed for 3k a pound, then there is a problem. i rock 4 flowering lights and i could pay all my shit and have a little extra with $100 an ounce!!!3k a lb is almost double that. also since most (is that right?) emerald triangle growers grow outside, they are producing 100s if not thousands of lbs every harvest. even at 2k a lb, if your field is 150 plants or more your good to go. thats 300k.

i think the worst part is that even tho the prices on wholsale weed has dropped, the price of retail weed has stayed the same. correct me if im wrong, but your not getting 1/8th for 37.50 up there are you?

the bright side....you see right now there is a problem with the supply and demand chain. the supply is thru the roof and demand is just a stagnant number of medi smokers. once this bill passes, the demand for chronic will shoot thru the fucking roof! think about how many more californians alone will either try weed, become an occasional smoker, or take it up all together. then you have every other tom,dick and harry in the rest of the country and around the world who will come here to indulge in some recreational marijuana. the demand will be endless!!!!

vote yes in november!