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Humboldt Bush Master
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Tomatoesonly
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Any updates on this..
Was the end product as potent and covered in trichs.. many of these vertical stoppers seem to kill trich production...
Was the end product as potent and covered in trichs.. many of these vertical stoppers seem to kill trich production...
NoveegianGod
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Any new results
Any new results
Bump!
Anyone got anything new on BM finish weights?
-Nov
Any new results
Bump!
Anyone got anything new on BM finish weights?
-Nov
Purgatory
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BM is great for vert gardens and height constricted areas, i use it on everything. Haven't seen much yeild increase on flat gardens with it, just quicker turnover. It cuts like 2 to 3 weeks off finishing time. Makes a major yeild difference in vert growing though, i wouldn't grow vert without it.
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Tomatoesonly said:
It did kill frost for me... I've only used bm once and I was at the lower level of reccomended dosage for hydro.
It did stop vert growth, I did not see a 48 hr transition to flowering, it did reduce resin amount, I did not see an increase in yeild, it did not shorten the flowering time any more than 7 days, and i did notice a slight bit of reduced potency. These results are based on the same strain.
Bare in mind that I used it once only and the instructions say it may take a few runs to dial in the perfect dosage for your application and it also says thats results may vary with different stains.
gunnaknow
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Purgatory said:
That sounds like an increase in production. With a shortened flowering time, you can get more harvests per year. So even if the harvests are no larger in yield, there are more harvests to speak of, so the total cumulative yield over a year is higher. If you yield the same amount as before yet reduce the flowering from 9 weeks down to 7 weeks, production would have increased by 28.5%.
That's if you actually yielded the same as before though. You say you didn't notice any real yield increases. Did you notice any yield decreases though? If yield remained stable, then 2 weeks off a 9 week strain would be real progress. You didn't mention the strain/strains that you have used it on. Which do you think responded the best to BM?
GroNut said:
Which strain were you using GroNut?
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It was with Isis from Dutch Passion.
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Neptune
so far I am hearing only negative things from BM, lots of "horns" lots of "burns" lots of "trial and error" and "testing problems"....
seems like it isn't worth it. What do these products claim to do? I have not seen anyone prove them worthwhile. I would caution all Bushmaster, Gravity, and Purple Maxx would-be users from fucking up their gardens.
Anything these products claim to do, can be done without the additives and a little gardening skills. Got height problems? Grow shorter strains, pinch, or tip the buds. Top the plants, train or prune. Easy.
Got a strain that flowers too long? Grow a shorter flowering strain.
One without enough trichomes? ....and so on.
Seems like 100% marketing, they even print "HUMBOLDT" right on the fking bottle....
right...!
grow on guys and gals, but don't fuck up your gardens with snake oils.
seems like it isn't worth it. What do these products claim to do? I have not seen anyone prove them worthwhile. I would caution all Bushmaster, Gravity, and Purple Maxx would-be users from fucking up their gardens.
Anything these products claim to do, can be done without the additives and a little gardening skills. Got height problems? Grow shorter strains, pinch, or tip the buds. Top the plants, train or prune. Easy.
Got a strain that flowers too long? Grow a shorter flowering strain.
One without enough trichomes? ....and so on.
Seems like 100% marketing, they even print "HUMBOLDT" right on the fking bottle....
right...!
grow on guys and gals, but don't fuck up your gardens with snake oils.
Purgatory
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Keep in mind, I’m still kind of playing with BM on flat gardens and I haven't really fine tuned it yet.gunnaknow said:
As far as the yields go, I would say it's more of a trade off because you have to veg your plants out to a hight/bushsize you want first. You almost want to count the node sites. If you use it on a small plant to begin with you'll end up with a small plant to end with, not to mention a huge waste of time leading you to hate the stuff. I would say the most important factor in yeilding more would be the size of the plants before dosing. I run sog by the way. I let the plants veg for somewhere around 2 weeks on 24 and then bush them at 2 to 2.5ml,pr-gal in just water with 5ml pr gal of floralicious for the sea kelp. I run it for 4 days at the same time I flip the lights to 11/13. After 4 days i flush it out, flip lights to 12/12 and go about my regular nute reg. I think the yield advantage fact here is that BM causes the plant to use all of its energy to flower development and not growth, So a properly veged out plant will already have an abundant root system and enough node sites to lay down some serious weight. So it does knock off some time on the back end but you have to include the added time on the front end which costs more by the way (24hrs). It's not for everyone and it's definitely going to take some more playing with to get it right.
As far as trich's goes, I have noticed a delaying of the on setting of trich production. From my experience it seems that the calyx development is the only thing the BM speeds up and the trichs develop with the natural cycle of the strain. So if you want more trichs you just have to let it run longer.
So far I’ve only used it on Jack Herer and Sensi Star. The jack didn't take to it as quick as the SS. Because I run sog it's hard for me to set up a control setting, so I really can't answer that quality question. But I will say with the SS being such a resin monster, I really haven’t noticed a difference in it.
In closing, BM is a very interesting product and great for anyone who likes to experiment with their plants. I’m sure there’s potential for way more yield with it on flat gardens I just haven’t dialed it in yet. Hopefully now that it’s hitting more store shelves, more people can contribute to its application and best use.
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I wouldn't say it;s all bs.. the instructions are very detailed and point out that it's not a magic additive and it won't work for everyone. It will take some trial runs to get it dialed so anyone who wants stellar results the first time out should not try it.
I ended up vegging my plants too long and I would have run out of head room for sure. No room to tie em over so I used the BM.
It served my purpose and stopped all vert growth and I had a very decent harvest, just with a lil less frost and maybe a tad less potency. It made my plants ugly until I trimmed em too.
I ended up vegging my plants too long and I would have run out of head room for sure. No room to tie em over so I used the BM.
It served my purpose and stopped all vert growth and I had a very decent harvest, just with a lil less frost and maybe a tad less potency. It made my plants ugly until I trimmed em too.
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Neptune
more proof that this stuff is probably a waste of money...
seems like people want to like it, but end up with mixed results...
seems like people want to like it, but end up with mixed results...
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Where are you pullin these ideas from neptune? cause I don't see that at all. sounds to me like you just want to dislike it 
I think its odd that you have made such a firm decision on a product that you have not tried... and you admit that you don't even know what the product is supposed to do yet you warn others not to use it??? call it a waste of money??? Have you read the instructions??... cause if you have you'd know that the only guy here thats used it according to their reccomendations is purgatory.
If you can't read or comprehend what you've read then don't spread your ignorace.
Humboldt is on the label because that's where it's from
What those pics prove is bm did what it;s supposed to do: halt vert growth and promote stacked buds... Yeild was not affected as this run gave me .75 grams per watt...pretty decent. Please tell me how you are coming up with your conclusion..Neptune said:
I think its odd that you have made such a firm decision on a product that you have not tried... and you admit that you don't even know what the product is supposed to do yet you warn others not to use it???
call it a waste of money??? Have you read the instructions??... cause if you have you'd know that the only guy here thats used it according to their reccomendations is purgatory.If you can't read or comprehend what you've read then don't spread your ignorace.
Humboldt is on the label because that's where it's from
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gunnaknow
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't think Neptune was knocking others for trying it GroNut. Yeah, it's true though, you need to try it first or atleast give others time and space to experiment and tweak before you make a judgement that it is bs and doesn't work. No harm done guys, we are all here to learn, so let's be friends.
Hey Purgatory, your post was interesting. I have read before that you need to veg longer if using BM. I think that it would be a good idea to experiment with using BM two weeks after switching to 12/12 because they do alot of stretching in that period. That might cease the need for a longer veg. You would probably lose the two weeks that you decreased flowering time by though because I think the decrease in flowering time is down to them going into flower immediately after switching to 12/12 when on BM. Maybe one week of 12/12 would be enough to get a reasonable stretch on them before adding BM.
You could always try giving them products with gibberellins and triacontanol during veg instead to increase shoot growth. Products like Ultraboost, Organic Growth Promotant and alfalfa extract (possibly Superthrive too) contain triacontanol and gibberellins. Mix them with kelp extract and you get high levels of growth promoting cytokinins aswel. You could use them for the first week of 12/12 aswel, before adding BM.
Hey Purgatory, your post was interesting. I have read before that you need to veg longer if using BM. I think that it would be a good idea to experiment with using BM two weeks after switching to 12/12 because they do alot of stretching in that period. That might cease the need for a longer veg. You would probably lose the two weeks that you decreased flowering time by though because I think the decrease in flowering time is down to them going into flower immediately after switching to 12/12 when on BM. Maybe one week of 12/12 would be enough to get a reasonable stretch on them before adding BM.
You could always try giving them products with gibberellins and triacontanol during veg instead to increase shoot growth. Products like Ultraboost, Organic Growth Promotant and alfalfa extract (possibly Superthrive too) contain triacontanol and gibberellins. Mix them with kelp extract and you get high levels of growth promoting cytokinins aswel. You could use them for the first week of 12/12 aswel, before adding BM.
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Purgatory
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I'm currently playing with that first concept of yours. Your right about loosing the forced flowering effect of BM which does slow the process. I'm still having trouble getting the dosing right. Dosing with BM is just like any other nute; you have to use it according to the size and metabolism of the plant. This next run I plan on going with just one week of bloom and hitting them with a heavier dose. BM is tricky in these flat gardens; you really have to know your plants. I can say I've had it dialed in on vert gardens for a while now and it definitely works wonders in that department.gunnaknow said:
Do to the fact I’m a sog guy, i'm kind of leaning away from using products with gibberellins and triacontanol during veg. They do promote allot of shoot growth, but they also promote allot of auxin transfer which creates to much lateral growth (great for mothers, scrogs, and tree's).
Thanx for the ideas, I’ll do my best to keep you posted on the next run with it
Luv the new avatar GroNut. Spicoli's the Man 
gunnaknow
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Purgatory said:
Is this because you know the precise time to use BM? When the tops of the plants have reached the height of the lowest flowers on the plants above? This might explain why it is easier to know when to apply BM with vert gardens but why would it be easier to know the right amount to use?
Purgatory said:
Many sog growers clip off the side branches before flowering, to give one main cola and as little lateral growth as possible. Perhaps it would be worth using products with gibberellins, cytokinins and triacontanol if you clipped all side branches off. There is also a new product on the market called Halo, which contains harpin protein. Early grow reports indicate that veg growth is very dramatic on this stuff (I think flowering growth too). It is still very new to the market and largely unheard of in the cannabis community. Going on some growers reports, this stuff is going to become very popular. 'Messenger' from Eden bioscience is another harpin protein product to look out for.
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Gronut,
1) The pictured marijuana plant looks terrible, as you have said.
2) the pictured buds look terrible.
How am I supposed to make a positive conclusion based on those photos?
halt verical growth, and promote flowering stacking?
-Marijuana plants do this on their own. They do not need help from "science."
My marijuana plants halt vertical growth by the 21st day of bloom, and continue to stack flowersuntil harvest.
I think I already hit this point, but It seems you didn't read it, or at least did not absorb it: Skilled growers can manipulate their marijuana gardens in fantastical ways to achieve whatever results are desired in a variety of grow styles.
good luck with that snake oil, when you are ready to grow for real let me know. I'm happy to help, honestly.
ps. My jaded opinion on additives is due to the fact that for all intents and purposes, I use no additives. I get above average yeilds of fan-fucking-tastic buds.. I cannot fathom how adding more juice would make imporvements, but I can easily see how adding more sauce could screw things up.
1) The pictured marijuana plant looks terrible, as you have said.
2) the pictured buds look terrible.
How am I supposed to make a positive conclusion based on those photos?
halt verical growth, and promote flowering stacking?
-Marijuana plants do this on their own. They do not need help from "science."
My marijuana plants halt vertical growth by the 21st day of bloom, and continue to stack flowersuntil harvest.
I think I already hit this point, but It seems you didn't read it, or at least did not absorb it: Skilled growers can manipulate their marijuana gardens in fantastical ways to achieve whatever results are desired in a variety of grow styles.
good luck with that snake oil, when you are ready to grow for real let me know. I'm happy to help, honestly.
ps. My jaded opinion on additives is due to the fact that for all intents and purposes, I use no additives. I get above average yeilds of fan-fucking-tastic buds.. I cannot fathom how adding more juice would make imporvements, but I can easily see how adding more sauce could screw things up.
