How to correct a bad N deficiency late in the game?

[usually]

cootz mix syndrome. reminds me of that thing that happened with fox farm a bunch of times. one of the breeders explained how to get around the yellowing problem. i cant remember which one but they explained it pretty perfectly.

 

[usually]

I think you have a terrible root problem

Dying to hear how this works out.

This will be fun.

Cheerleaders.

Heh.

 

[slownickel]

I want to hear more about the mix syndrome.

 

[usually]

I want to hear more about the mix syndrome.

Just do research on cootz mix and you will find more then a few people complaining of similar problems. Similar to the issues with random batches of fox farm bag soil.

 

[B4URTIME]

Overwatering can be an issue, but my observations over the years has shown a lot of people end up under watering during the stretch because they are adapted to the usual veg watering schedule but when you trigger flower photosynthesis goes into over drive and the planta almost always double thier drinking capacity and in turn end up drying out to much and from my experience if you fall victim to that your roots will more then likely look dehydrated and much less white and lively. Ive found if you do this you can hang it up your down 30 to 40% yield no matter what. The plants may even appear as though no harm took place but if you allow the soil to dry out to the point where the plants have to flush water from the leafs into the root zone to prevent death you wont recover fully and 30 to 40% production gone. This will also reduce the roots ability to keep up with the plants needs and then what happens it starts using older suckers to feed the newer growth and eventually the higher suckers to feed the buds. Its a spiral that once started cannot be stopped. You finish with less then stellar plants and results because that is all you can do.

 

[reppin2c]

I'd take usually advice he has endless professional employees, 401k and drug tests. Or you could rub some gypsum on it.

Blood meal will burn if you use to much. Higher N guano doesn't kick hard enough at first to snap out an N deficiency but will run for about 45 days pretty good.

I'd foliar fishy ferts if your 4 weeks out or more....or ppd, fertinitro and a N guano tea to the soil

If you over watered then let it dry out and foliar

 

[cbcool]

I remember this one time someone had a problem they told me about, And they had a great solution on how to fix it, but I can't remember who told me or how they fixed it!

 

[Bud Green]

blood meal is a quick N booster, but be careful not to overdo it!
Another problem with topdressing with it is, depending on where you are, it attracts a lot of animals who could dig up your entire plant, trying to find the carcass it came from!

 

[cbcool]

I'm no professional by any means, but I have learned real quick that most problems start in the root zone and the soil , most commonly in the soil. The plants will show you a deficiency but that deficiency might not be due to a lack there of.

 

[who dat is]

I almost chimed in with more advice but held back.

Pull the trigger.

Do it.

 

[slownickel]

Most often problems in agriculture are due to excesses.

 

[B4URTIME]

One way to tell if you have done what I am talking about is you will certainly notice at the very bottom of the plants super crunchy or dried out leaves it will be the absolute lowest on the plant that will begin to get leached back into the root zone if this has happened your continuously progressive N def starting at the stretch and carrying through flower is simply your damaged and dehydrated root system no longer able to properly sustain the plants needs and now your leafs will be used as the supplimental food they lack. Allocation of resources from old to new growth. Robbing from peter to pay paul and it all started with peter getting dehydrated. You can have a perfectly balanced soil and this happens you will see similar issues as someone with a deficient soil. So it can appear deficient even if its really not. But it could always be deficient too.

 

[usually]

I remember this one time someone had a problem they told me about, And they had a great solution on how to fix it, but I can't remember who told me or how they fixed it!

Do you, or are you just copying me.

The only reason i remembered that is because it was information to specifically avoid that lack of N problem when using fox farm soil cause it was a common problem for a lot of growers. Information about how to 'fix' it after the problem occurs is less beneficial then information on preventing the problem to begin with.

Is there a cootz mix thread on this forum? That would probably get you the most best answers.

The cootz is what i was going to buy this year until i read reviews and saw people complaining about problems they are not capable of personally being able to fix.

 

[slownickel]

A recipe like Coots or whom ever relying on compost, worm castings, etc, is going result in success being extremely geographically dependent as to whether someone will have a balanced medium.

This is because worm castings and compost will be generated locally. In some places this will mean 100 times more iron than manganese. Other times nearly equal parts of iron to manganese or at least a much closer range, say 3 to 1.

Trying to throw everything at the mix and hoping you hit the moving target is not going to be easy.

All depends where one is standing.

This explains the Coots syndrome and the Bermuda Triangle problem all at once... haha.

 

[Oakhills]

Didn't read the entire thread, did anyone mention fish emulsion?

 

[mexcurandero420]

I don't know if you have nettles in your area, if so harvest some plants, blend it and make a tea with worm casting and molasses for 24 hrs.Its faster than blood meal.Comfrey leaves is also good.

Keep on growing

 

[slownickel]

Oak,

Several people.

A good fish will do wonders, but if you have a saturated environment with missing root tips, asphyxiated roots and not a lot of reserves due to lack of over all calcium (which EVERYONE COMPLAINS ABOUT), my first step would be to apply a amino acid calcium with a strong quantity of amino acid phosphorus (milk). Try it some time... Once I saw my growth points moving, things standing up and nice and tight, I may or may not push fish. All of nitrate levels reported by Logan (which i really don't believe) have double and triple the amount on nitrates needed.

With all this woojoo shtuff being applied, Momma doubts that the baby is short on N.

How about we get a sample of some run through and get someone to test the nitrates in the runout?

 

[usually]

Helps if you pick 1 successful person and then just copy them to a T...

 

[plantingplants]

Is almost a yard of Coots enough N for a plant over the whole season? 6 lbs of 4-3-1 crab meal per yard.

I pulled that plant out a couple weeks ago and I was definitely not gentle. I smashed the rootball on the ground to shake the soil out. I'll take a picture of the dried root ball If you think it'll help but I can dig a little soil out to check on living roots tomorrow and I'll snap some photos.

Still don't know how you say shcrews is over watering while he pulls down >10 lbs a plant.

The ca amendment was 7 lbs gypsum and 6.25 lbs oyster shell lime per yard.


Usually, that's exactly what I tried, copying shcrews best I could. Same soil mixed at same yard. Can't water every morning and night though.


I have those shitty dye pills you can test soil with. Maybe I'll see if it has any N with that.

 

[usually]

Still don't know how you say shcrews is over watering while he pulls down >10 lbs a plant.


Usually, that's exactly what I tried, copying shcrews best I could. Same soil mixed at same yard. Can't water every morning and night though.

He displays the same issues you're complaining about from the same mix.