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how many generations til a strain becomes yours

krood

Active member
It seems to me that dj short is pretty reasonable as far as it comes to breeding your own lines with seeds that came from him, or at one point that came from him. That makes sense to me. It seems that hes not too stoked on the idea of profitting as using solely "dj short" gear. There has been good points on both side of the argument. I dont totally understand why bohdi would be dropping his blueberry strains, but i guess he feels that its the right thing to do given his situation and position. I thought it would be cool if he gave some of it back to dj short, a collaboration of sorts. I was thinking the same would be super cool if he gave some of the bros grimm crosses and seeds he made back, im sure there would be gems to find in those seeds.

Maybe im mistaken but id imagine that current day breeders would be probably honored if you took a strain and filial bred it then crossed it with another unrelated filial bred stock, then bred that strain for many years making it into something different and possibly better. Main thing i am stressing is that it is different from the original stock. am sure they wouldnt want you to go into business selling genetics they molded, or put together, without putting in the work. (Ex.f13xblueberry f1s) becaus the bottom line is that these guys are doing this for business mostly, and you would then become their competition.

The only way i could see this acceptable would be if dj short had left the scene and there was no blueberry genetics getting around any longer. Ex. Cindy99

it would deffinitely be better if you told the breeders if possible your intentions before you start selling said worked and crossed seedlines. (Especially if you explained to them how their genetics are simply the best, and thats the only way you would even be working with their gear in the first place right?) Maybe some breeders feel noone should be using genetic material they touched at all and i dont know what to say about that.

I understand that many breeders spent their whole lives breeding these lines, traveling, sacrificing, and possibly even losing friends, freedom or loved ones doing this.
This is just my humble opinion. Hope i didnt step on too many toes
 

soserthc1

Active member
One of my people just posted this up on the Bodhi Thread.Kinda strange on the timing of this discussion.

Bodhi

What is the beef with breeder Steve ? Last I heard on the internet he was not in cannabis , something like grapes ? Kinda effects the direction of my current project as I have been working with blockhead a few generations

Thanks in advance
 

RoyalFlush

DEA Agent
Premium user
420club
Typically, plant variety rights are granted by national offices, after examination. Seed is submitted to the plant variety office, who grow it for one or more seasons, to check that it is distinct, stable, and uniform.

Pretty sure Cannabis is still federally Illegal so legally he has no legal breeder rights to the genetics, only to the names and the descriptions since they can be trademarked.

"‘other’ form", Also legally there is nothing breeders can do to stop someone from creating a hybrid and selling it.

Patents cannot be applied to cannabis unless it has been genetically modified ie. DNA code change.


But still taking someone work and reselling it as the original with out the breeders permission is not cool, maybe if the breeder was dead, got out of the cannabis industry or lost the genetics it might be ok to fill the void.
 

Ph-patrol

Well-known member
Veteran
What is the beef with breeder Steve ? Last I heard on the internet he was not in cannabis , something like grapes ? Kinda effects the direction of my current project as I have been working with blockhead a few generations

Thanks in advance

I'm not sure what to say about Steve?
Dj and Steve decision is truly breaking news to me.
I would keep on keeping on with your work Soserthc .

I like Dj but not letting Bodhi make crosses as Med-freebies is off putting. He has a Big-Pharma-Tude:moon:
 
B

Bob Green

It seems strange that DJ released his clone Blueberry, and Flo mothers to the public and now is threatening to sue anyone using the clones?

I know I had smoked BB before I had used the internet for anything at all let alone to talk about herb on a forum. Cali was not even legal for medicinal yet. But it's been available to the masses without patents for a very long time. I think he will have a hard time taking anyone to court. Why didn't he sue DP twenty years ago? Most likely had no real legal grounds and lacked the funds.

I think these guys are just seeing the legal atmosphere changing in ways they never thought they would see in their lifetime and are getting prepared for the future. That slight possibility that they might of hit the jackpot. The lottery golden ticket they always dreamed of. A cut of every plant harvested, gram sold, clone cut, seed purchased, plus endless royalties for all those that have touched their projects past present and future.

As far as any breeder giving me permission to make personal crosses and I can even share them with my friends well... Dude what I do with seeds I buy and breed with for personal use is absolutely none of their business. If a guy sends you unreleased material to check out and you sell it that is a huge douche move. But seeds purchased on an open market are free game. Don't sell me some shit then twenty years later tell me I have no right to use it. They fall into the better to ask forgiveness than permission category as far as I am concerned. I will always share with my friends but I do respect unreleased genetics gifted from friends way more than seeds I spent good money on. Just perspective I guess. But if I have the power to make a badass cross it's going to happen believe that! Why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't they want me to?

I think they are about to be disappointed big time. It just is not going to happen for them.
 

soserthc1

Active member
:wallbash:Grapes and cannabis and beer my man is breeding it all .....

Guess it's time I join the insta gram world

@ph p , I'm gonna at least see the f3 gen grown out, to far not too.
 

Tonygreen

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Maybe it's rough breeding one hippy style for 30-40 years only to have your results surpassed by people with labs and a scientific approach or even just some kid with a closet with a little sts. Imagine spending your whole life slogging along only to find out that the four main terpenes are not grape and strawberry. I mean it could be rough to know your whole lifes work was wasted on the wrong approach. It might be easy to rail on the kid with the closet and a few packs of beans who had the brains to breed some homozygosity into their lines and make spectacular f1's that you could only dream about.
Hey im just sayin if you bred for bouquet for 30 years and stayed away from anything frighteningly potent by default it will probably show in your work. Whats this people getting threatened with lawyers over blueberry? What did i miss ahaha
 

Jellyfish

Invertebrata Inebriata
Veteran
That slight possibility that they might of hit the jackpot. The lottery golden ticket they always dreamed of. A cut of every plant harvested, gram sold, clone cut, seed purchased, plus endless royalties for all those that have touched their projects past present and future.
That sounds like something cooked up by Ricky and Julian. As usual, even Bubbles would know it was a stupid idea.
 

SpaceBros.

Member
Maybe im mistaken but id imagine that current day breeders would be probably honored if you took a strain and filial bred it then crossed it with another unrelated filial bred stock, then bred that strain for many years making it into something different and possibly better. Main thing i am stressing is that it is different from the original stock. am sure they wouldnt want you to go into business selling genetics they molded, or put together, without putting in the work. (Ex.f13xblueberry f1s) becaus the bottom line is that these guys are doing this for business mostly, and you would then become their competition.

I would have thought breeders would encourage a little friendly competition also which may possibly drive further innovation in the field of Cannabis. Feminized seeds, Auto's, Super-Auto's, Medical/CBD rich etc all because of competition. After-all if you can breed more desirable plants than the originator of a seed-line what does that say about the breeding skills of the originator?

Lucky for us there's only a few "breeders" out there who feel they need to be protected in order to compete with the others. I guess they're not the great breeders people think they are.

I say level the playing field and boycott those who think they need protection to compete.
 

KiefSweat

Member
Veteran
when you release something into the public domain you can't really then control it.

the thing about breeding in general is you are creating man made lines. If you bred your own parent stock and kept those tight no one would be able to offer the same hybrids as you. to buy an f1 from someone and work it to an ibl i don't see where the seed seller can say much at that point. Everyone has an issue with the large seed crop seed companies since they sell hybrid seed, the farmer is forced not to save seed and purchase it year after year.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
When you outcross it, its yours. If you just inbreed it, it never is your strain, its just the strain your breeding.
 

oldCounty

Member
Djshort is missing one crucial fact - if you don't protect your trademark/IP, you lose the right to.

20 years of people breeding blueberry and marketing as such... Without a single lawsuit. Sorry, too late.

You can't add on a EULA after purchase either, the judge will laugh you out of court.
 

sdd420

Well-known member
Veteran
Djshort is missing one crucial fact - if you don't protect your trademark/IP, you lose the right to.

20 years of people breeding blueberry and marketing as such... Without a single lawsuit. Sorry, too late.

You can't add on a EULA after purchase either, the judge will laugh you out of court.
You can't trademark an illegal substance he has had to wait for legalization . What's fair? He deserves something doesn't he?
Peace
 

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