HOW MANY CHILDREN NEED TO DIE BEFORE GUN LAWS CHANGE IN THE USA

[indica193]

Illegal bought guns are not involved in school shootings or any mass murders. Most if not all are legally bought. If they couldn't buy them we wouldn't be here. This is about a specific weapon that is used in most mass murders in the USA. Has zero to do with banning any other weapons.,

if gangbanging isnt mass murder... then yeah w.e.. who cares about those poor fucks, we\re talking about schools right now

 

[Hammerhead]

Gang mentality is a culture, not a mental issue. There is no solution to gang violence. Vastly different than the topic of this thread.

Your confused in what we are talking about. This isn't about a gang shooting in the school. These are done for gang reasonings.

Mass shootings in schools done by a stranger with an AR wanting to kill all kids/teachers. Also includes the general public at Walmart. There is a solution to this.

 

[JKD]

kewl.. now show me statitics of non mass shootings (you know, like daily drive-bys) and the legality of owners guns.. the so called gang members
sheesh, you people really are intent on cutting the branch under your feet

Sure

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1153977949/major-takeaways-from-the-atf-gun-violence-report

More guns = more homicides.

 

[moose eater]

Self-discipline and that last moment's inner voice that says, "I oughta', but maybe I shouldn't.." and that moment can define the difference between headlines and a Budweiser or a bud.

We like to differentiate between ourselves and some loosely defined other, with the 'other' being the vehicle of bad outcomes. Never us.

It's us as often as not. Perhaps, I'd wager, more often.

With some mass killings, certainly personality disorders play into them. Michael Silka and his 21 bodies up here, and some other events similar to that are prime examples, but I'd argue they're as much the exception as the rule..

But like the examples I gave earlier, the 1929 crash, the kid jilted and embarrassed in front of his peers at prom, the kid who's incessantly bullied at school... Most of those incidents and more involve a moment of feeling like nothing can be done to change the experience, and the ultimate trump card gets played, often to the regret of all parties involved.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

The majority of the prob is a massive mental health issue caused by our own gov and how people are raised. This is not an easy fix. These people do not think they have a mental problem. It's very difficult to track nutter butters..

Hooray non-family oriented upbringings. The next generation being mesmerized by digital pixels will be even worse. Restricting guns is wasted resources...

There's also no need to have guns of war available to the public. I can live a happy prosperous life without having any AR or similar. Banning them will not affect my life one iota. The current laws make it easy for anyone with mental health issues to buy a weapon of war. The AR platform is the weapon of choice because its very lethal and can kill many in seconds. There is no other weapon that can do that.

This is not about you. This is about preservation of human rights. If I want to restore a WWII tank I should have that right without it being infringed. Banning them will not affect your current life situation. Period, with nothing more you can add. Since this is not about "You," that means absolutely nothing.

WTF is everyone's beef with the Armalight Rifle? It's a significantly amazing piece of engineering, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER WEAPONS OUT THERE . No, the "AR" is not some super weapon and if you believe otherwise you have significant issues with basic comprehension of facts. PLENTY of other weapons can kill many people in seconds. Knee-jerk often?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I commend your exceptional link posting ability. Thank you

it one of the few...very few skills that i have...

 

[indica193]

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1153977949/major-takeaways-from-the-atf-gun-violence-report

Happy?

More guns = more homicides.

BAN illegal guns now! lmfao
" Those guns were legally purchased, but were later used in crimes, the report indicated."
mmmyeahh I donno how true this is. most of these journos are biased , especially in your part of the world.
I wonder

 

[zachrockbadenof]

One of the reasons for the no prosecution of criminals in big cities is they are disproportionally people of color who are arrested.

What political leanings are most big cities? Nobody wants to talk about Black on Black crime.....

fuk black on black crime.... their lives are worthless... where are the head hocho's of BLM??? ohhh... out buying million $$$ houses...

 

[JKD]

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1153977949/major-takeaways-from-the-atf-gun-violence-report

BAN illegal guns now! lmfao
" Those guns were legally purchased, but were later used in crimes, the report indicated."
mmmyeahh I donno how true this is. most of these journos are biased , especially in your part of the world.
I wonder

Fair enough, read the ATF report they reference then:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/nation...icking-assessment-nfcta-crime-guns-volume-two

Have a different opinion, sure, but don’t build it on a foundation of sand.

 

[moose eater]

Add to the mix that various PDs in the US have been to the SCOTUS at least 2 x's to assert that they are not obligated to keep anyone safe and consider the time that (in many of these incidents) police held back, outside a school where an active shooter scenario was ensuing.

There's all kinds of needs to be addressed in this equation, and some of them, if not all, amount to sacred oxen. 2nd Amendment, the sanctity of the police, (like the sanctity of priests once upon a time and still), parental rights in the raising of children and imparting which values, and more.

Not a one of those escapes the 'hot button topic' category.

And we all know cops are the grown-up equivalent of altruism-motivated Eagle Scouts, right? Just like parents are, right?

 

[indica193]

Read the ATF report they reference then.

so you think that if you ban guns there won't be anymore to find on the street ? You really think that? Or want to think that?
What would you ban next ? Knives, like in the UK? Crime hasn't got anymore low since banning knives, knifings and rapes still happen , what gives?

 

[JKD]

so you think that if you ban guns there won't be anymore to find on the street ? You really think that? Or want to think that?
What would you ban next ? Knives, like in the UK? Crime hasn't got anymore low since banning knives, knifings and rapes still happen , what gives?

Point out for me where I said ‘ban guns’.

 

[indica193]

Point out for me where I said ‘ban guns’.

sorry that is what I understood from reading the latest posts. my bad
yeah ban AR15s or w.e .,. small guns can't mass shoot -__-

 

[indica193]

oooh look, just another 'nazi' schoolshooter
better ban (mentally ill) people too

 

[JKD]

sorry that is what I understood from reading the latest posts. my bad
yeah ban AR15s or w.e .,. small guns can't mass shoot -__-

Even then (with AR-15s etc) I support restrictions, not outright banning. Licensed pest controllers, licensed collectors etc - rigorous background checks, registered, secure storage etc. Not - ‘But I want one’.

 

[JKD]

oooh look, just another 'nazi' schoolshooter
better ban (mentally ill) people too

Are they using a gun to kill kids?

 

[indica193]

Hooray non-family oriented upbringings. The next generation being mesmerized by digital pixels will be even worse. Restricting guns is wasted resources...

This is not about you. This is about preservation of human rights. If I want to restore a WWII tank I should have that right without it being infringed. Banning them will not affect your current life situation. Period, with nothing more you can add. Since this is not about "You," that means absolutely nothing.

WTF is everyone's beef with the Armalight Rifle? It's a significantly amazing piece of engineering, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER WEAPONS OUT THERE . No, the "AR" is not some super weapon and if you believe otherwise you have significant issues with basic comprehension of facts. PLENTY of other weapons can kill many people in seconds. Knee-jerk often?

WTF is everyone's beef with the Armalight Rifle? It's a significantly amazing piece of engineering, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER WEAPONS OUT THERE . No, the "AR" is not some super weapon and if you believe otherwise you have significant issues with basic comprehension of facts. PLENTY of other weapons can kill many people in seconds. Knee-jerk often?

 

[indica193]

Are they using a gun to kill kids?

they , xyr , himher etc are using guns to kill kids. Legally bought guns, because selling guns to a mentally ill person is totally legit in murica, because they are a protected minority, because why not.. the govt said so on tv amiright?
Extrapolate from here my friend

 

[indica193]

tbh.. ban crazy people. there you go, problem solved

lmao

 

[JKD]

they , xyr , himher etc are using guns to kill kids. Legally bought guns, because selling guns to a mentally ill person is totally legit in murica, because they are a protected minority, because why not.. the govt said so on tv amiright?
Extrapolate from here my friend

Go back a fews pages to where global homicide stats were posted. Firearm homicides ADD to US stats, they don’t replace other methods. If you remove all firearm homicides from US stats the homicide rate/100000 is then much like similar countries who have more rigorous firearm regulations.