How do you maintain the vigor of an IBL?

[Guest]

Thanks HK and Raco. My oringinal packs came from OG Bub as did strainwhores. He's a decent fellow in my book. I gave the 2 original packs that i had left to Bakelite about 6 months ago. I wonder if he's grown them out and can tell us his results.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Growing the same seed line in diffrent ereas /climate /elevation so on can change the plant a little so maybe why some DG look diffrent to others.

I have seen many plant lines that have been inbreed for many years growing and they were very hardy lines so who knows why some loos vigor i have seen swazi / south american / and many more that were inbreed 20 or more years growing.

 

[qanabose]

The whole DC thingy reminds me of a similar lethargy I experienced in Bogbubble. The worse of it, I recall firing up some f2's and lookin' on amongst all these screwy deformities and watching for about 4 months in utter amazement at the suspended animation veg process. Still these tiny pruned plants with little to them at around 30 cm tall. Had never seen anything that slow before or since and feared to contaminate other genes with what otherwise might have made good genetic material to work out with...

I have wondered about using selections of variant generations within the same IBL. Like if f2's of any given strain are already showing genetic slumping in a particular direction and I glean the cleanest genes from this generation and were to cross them back out against another generation, say to outstanding selections from the f1 generation or perhaps even spacing the crossings between a greater disparity of generations in order to stamp in a stable genetic path??? I don't know if there'd be any virtue in this...


does the recessive/dominant gene issue offer practical directions outside of just merely selecting the most vigorous or outstanding parents available in any situation...sometimes I wonder at how simple selection criteria can be or whether other constraints come into it all? I gather I dont' know very much

 

[Guest]

Raco did a great job with the fn selections & sharing the results. he is a true amigo... and he is correct about cloning this afghani. it's so simple that i have to laugh when i see others putting themselves in the noob corner (hence dc is hard to clone...or impossible lmao The reveg from a nearly-matured chunky is an other story.

& Dc is not even veggin slow, but just growing different. she grows probably the largest leaves on this rock, very thick main stems (especially outdoorz) and strong roots as well. like Tom already said some time ago, the overall dc-biomass can be much the same (or potentially bigger than on many hybrids ...and my little observations are proving this point. lot's of pics in my gallery, i'm just to lazy now for searching and don't even feel the need to put them up again'

DC is definitely pure and something special, luv the flavor cuz it's really unique. yields are how they are, depending on the grower but generally not for the commercial corner. makes incredible dense nugs though with wonderful purple shadowz. perfect breeding parent imo.

Tom also said the plants in this line are much the same as 20 years ago... and it is logical cuz the humans can not change much the genetic structure from a million yearz old hashplant. this plant reminds me on jurassic park hehe. they are obviously well-adapted for the afghani region and have their own style of growing. 20 years are not long and actually a very short % of time for making any big changes in a pure line, at least with the traditionally breeding arts (the new gen manipulations are an other story

Vigor is relatively equal each generation ime. a few local friends produced the fn+3 from my fn+2 seeds... and the chunky looks/growz the same speed like racos fn+1
have some Tom chunks (fn) growing this year and one plant has some irregularities ...but i'm not scared cuz i know this little anomalies on the leaves are not bad if we are lookin for the resin, it seems like this traits are usually linked. can't wait to see what the flowers will show me in late summer.

You are a lucky individual, and I am no "noob".

MY DC from OGBUB veg's slower than moles asses in January. It is almost impossible to clone - keeping in mind that I can clone sheep in rockwool. The yield is piss poor.

On the other hand - the smoke kills all.

I wish that I could get a hold of one of these magical DC's that are a pleasure to grow - as that would be the new queen of my gardens.

Peace.

 

[lasko]

I must agree with xyz about DC. I was lucky he gave me some beans fn+2 and what come out is a beautiful plant.

Only think i miss in DC is yield indoor without long veg is realy shity, but outdoor you can get decent yield. Ive tried to clone them and in soil without any hormone roots in 7 days, one of fastest plants to clone.

Ive made also some crosses - beautiful nice smeling plants, but chunky with dc structure. Here is link where some brotha doing test grow of them http://www.konoplja.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/526069/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

Silverback & Strainwhore but i think you have bad luck with seeds

 

[Raco]

DC from seed,grown indoors under 600 HPS,soil +worm castings and some bat guano...about 34 grams dry fully manicured.Total 16 weeks

 

[Guest]

Ha Ha ha! That was exactly my experience strainwhore. Hell, i went for 2 or 3 weeks wondering if they were alive, except that they remained green. I actually got out my ruler and measured every few days. I was scratchin the old nogin. lasko must be right, weve had bad luck with dc seeds and just like you, im wantin some of the ones that everybody raves about! Maybe Hindu Killer will fix us up this fall!

Im curious and maybe some of you know about the DC seeds. Mine were big as goose eggs and paleish, grey, almost waxy looking. Some of the biggest ive seen in fact. I had 4 packs in total and they all looked that way. Is that typical with Dc seeds? Maybe there was a mix up. They was some whoppers now.

Raco, a pics worth a thousand words and that one says a lot. Lets burn one! How old is that plant?

 

[Raco]

15 weeks from seed,maybe 16 ^^
A cutting from a sister of the plant above crossed to a pure Uzbeki male produced this F1.

 

[Raco]

DC(f) x Uzbeki (m)

her aunt,pure DC

 

[Guest]

Raco. I hate you. No offense.

P.S. Share the love, free the haters.

 

[Guest]

That F1 is absolutely beautiful Raco. Hats off to you man. That is really a very pretty plant with delicious looking buds. Does it exhibit hybrid vigor?
Nice.
sb

 

[lasko]

Im curious and maybe some of you know about the DC seeds. Mine were big as goose eggs and paleish, grey, almost waxy looking. Some of the biggest ive seen in fact. I had 4 packs in total and they all looked that way. Is that typical with Dc seeds? Maybe there was a mix up. They was some whoppers now.

Jap they are big pale grey, looking almost unmatured at first look

Raco nice yield for 2 months veg
They are delicious

 

[qanabose]

I don't know how far Luther Burbank took his genetics theories outside the framework of his famous rule regarding selection. I can't quote it but you know the one about selection, selection, like it was everything and I guess it is...whether he was actually a geneticist, I guess he was of sorts but his selection thing seemed very simple and I can't find any info on how elaborate his breeding programs were that enabled him to arrive at such variations within a species. Surely there's more to it than just selecting given traits for your breeders. Is it possible interbreeding between selections from variant generations of a given IBL could be of any virtue.

I guess I could attempt to revitalise my clapped out IBL's and landrace strains by making simple selections for vigor but that also met other important criteria so as not to compromise too far any direction...the numbers thing can get a bit hairy but ultimately, I suppose numbers is the way to go if you can do it...I can't

 

[Raco]

A good male is ...
(Lay down Sally,restin n my arms...hehe))

 

[qanabose]

Beautiful specimen Raco!

Considering its relatively brief age, the DC/Uzbeki F1 displays a vigor obviously not associated with the straight DC line...I guess the Uzbeki is doing more than the mere intro of new blood.

Apart from large growth/yield and 'up' high for an indica, aren't Uzbekis characterised by a strong lemon flavour? What did your cross smoke like? Did it retain the DeepChunk smoke qualities?

I'd thought of crossing 'La Mula' with one or two of my tired out sats for that same reason, assuming that the Uzbekistani component might be the vigor factor in that particular genepool.

 

[DRorganic]

whats every ones opinion on serious seed bubblegum i just ordered a pack and its
says on serious seeds web page its a ibl.i thought of crossing it to a c99,jlp sourdog,
i realy want to cross it to a og kush leaning pheno that smells like coffee to the bubblegum .just for kicks and for my future grows.

 

[Guest]

I have a pack of serious bubblegum waiting to be popped DRorganic - they are supposed to be the shit! We shall see.

 

[ethereal]

How do you start if you only have 1 mother plant to start with?

I have one female deep chunk that thanks to an incredible lack of vigor I have barely been able to keep in the stable. I do on the other hand have a very vigorous male GberryP from Memy that I would like to cross into about everything I have to add vigor, purple and potency............ although Deep Chunk is killer potent by itself...

sure yer not mistakin a slow (pure, unadulterated) indica for "lack of vigor"?
dc is the slowest plant on earth. not lacking vigor imo, just hardcoreindica, is all. think: bubba kush.

 

[ethereal]

Jap they are big pale grey, looking almost unmatured at first look

Raco nice yield for 2 months veg
They are delicious

i concur. they are always monsterous and many are pale but ripe as any other.
shes one of the few things, no, THE only thing ive played with, over the past ten+ yrs....
that makes buff colored seeds with no tiger striping at maturity.
possibly because its the only thing thats been pure and untampered landrace indica


disclaimer : this info is in regards to th's orig dc, not the new release by bub so take it with a grain of salt
if you are growing the new stuff.

speakin of new, has anyone tried th's new batch? good bad indifferent?

 

[3dDream]

With all the IBL talk these days the first page is a treat.


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