House & Garden.....lets chat!!!

[MaynardG_Krebs]

I run aquaflakes in a recirculating dwc.
I just add the A into the system, then add the B, then additives, then ph. I don't premix first, and so far no problems. Running at 1000-1200ppm at .5 conversion. I haven't tried higher ppm yet with aquaflakes although I've ran lucas up to 1600 ppm before.

I like ur style! Much like gb, I 'git er done'.. Into a 5 gallon bucket of good water, I measure out my A, put it in.. measure out my B and put it in.. circulate it for about a minute, pH it, ad my ads and feed my girls.. nobody bitches and everyone is generally happy.. especially me at harvest time..

mgk

 

[maxmurder]

By ".5 conversion" you mean half strength, correct?

How do you like the H&G in the RDWC system?

there are 2 very different conversion factors when converting EC to PPM's, one is .5 and the other is .7 so depending on which pen you have (hanna,milwalkee,etc) it varies by several hundred ppms. homieonline bro who has the same cuts as you same nutes,medium etc is claimin he runs his at 1200 ppms with no problem so you bump up to 1200 but he's on .5 and your on .7 you could burn your shit and get in fight with homie. personally i started the canna program and bought the trunction (sp?) meter, and go by EC (same as canna), but it also has Both .5 and .7 along with EC and you never have to calibrate the mofo- i love it.

 

[Maripan]

OK. Got it. I don't look at EC, no need for a conversion factor. I prefer PPM.

My original question was about using half strength nutes in a RDWC system. It is really necessary to do so, or can one go with regular strength?

 

[TheBioMaster]

Most people using H&G follow the nutrient schedule to the tee Maripan. But you should still let your plants guide you.

You should also be looking at EC considering the fact that EC = PPM

It is not difficult really, an EC of 1.0 will equal 500PPM if in the USA using .5 conversion and the same EC 1.0 level will equal 700PPM if your NOT in the USA and using .7 conversion. Either way you dice it, your better off going by EC, but in the end it really does not matter as they represent one in the same value, but just understand that your PPM reading comes from the EC level and also represents its value.

 

[medical marvel]

I cut the H & G back to 5ml per 4 litres..With water with low Mg and Ca levels, I need Cal Mag on some of the strains. I have found that there is a bit too much Nitrogen in H & G for mid flower, so I reduce the dosage, then add a bit of Pure Blend bloom, which is fairly low in Nitrogen.

I also use the old standby Maxi Bloom powder with some strains, at close to 1 teaspoon per 4 litres, still needs Cal Mag on some strains.
Some strains only seem to require Magnesium, so I use Epsom salts only on those, at a bit less than 1tsp per 4 litres.

I use Liquid Karma, at a low dose of 5 ml per 4 litres, every second watering.

I also mix a coco based organic soil, with dry amendments and occasional teas..and pretty much let them do their thing..keeping 4 litres or so in the cooking container, to keep the good bacteria working.

All these methods work well. Although I have blueberry which i try every combo ( organic as well ) I keep the N levels low, but still have issues...might take a while to really dial that one in. Maybe not enough worm castings ?

My exemptee favours the organic soil ( no wonder there ), but with a 2 week flush the H & G line kicks out some great product,
and with various strains does wonders for her spinal, nerve pain.
Okay I will stop typing now.

 

[Flow]

MT

 

[farmdalefurr]

i just picked up some H&G coco a/b,roots excel,drip clean,algen extract. this thread is a treasure trove if your using a rez, but i hand water and just mix up gallons. now when i mix my nutes it makes no sense to mix the base then ph to 5.8 (coco) then add additives and water. can i just mix everything, ph it, and water?

 

[TheBioMaster]

farmdalefurr-How you deliver the nutrients to the plants really doesnt matter much......what does matter is the fact that the additives change the PH value of the water because of various things like containing organics. If you PH doing it the way you described after mixing the base nutrients plus adding the additives you will be going by a PH value that is false.

You want to mix the base nutrients THEN set the ph and wait. Then you can add the additives and ignore the PH change that they cause. After the plants eat the "goodies" in the additives your PH will return to the base value which is what you want, doing it your way who knows what the REAL base PH value even is......

 

[farmdalefurr]

right on. its just so weird to do the exact opposite of what youve always done ya know? im very excited to us this line. tonight ill be feeding my veg with it for the first time. cant wait to see what that roots excel does for my clones in 2in pots. from what i hear the roots will probably bust out the side of the pots and start growing through the floor

 

[Jeeyah]

agreed

agreed

farmdalefurr-How you deliver the nutrients to the plants really doesnt matter much......what does matter is the fact that the additives change the PH value of the water because of various things like containing organics. If you PH doing it the way you described after mixing the base nutrients plus adding the additives you will be going by a PH value that is false.

You want to mix the base nutrients THEN set the ph and wait. Then you can add the additives and ignore the PH change that they cause. After the plants eat the "goodies" in the additives your PH will return to the base value which is what you want, doing it your way who knows what the REAL base PH value even is......

I've been getting shit for telling people this. Thanks for spreading the good word.

 

[joeak]

would like confirmation on this..maybe a new thread?

 

[eastbay jpl]

What do you think about this so with H&G coco there veg is a little weak.So I came up with this mix of 6mils of A and B 1tesp esp salt 1tesp of kool bloom and I get. The tesp is for 5 gl kool bloom and esp salt.
N 91
P75
K184
mg62
And my ppm are 600 Im useing RO water. PH is 5.6

 

[gardenbug]

By ".5 conversion" you mean half strength, correct?

How do you like the H&G in the RDWC system?

The .5 was referring to ppm conversion and the other guys covered it.

I've never paid attention to the feed schedule so I don't know what strength I'm at. I just go by ppm and what the plants are doing. I went to around 1200ppm with large plants and had no burn. I never tried to max it out and see when they burned as they seemed fine.

HG did great in dwc. For flower it's a little nitrogen heavy. Everything stays very green. I flush with just water for 2 weeks at the end so it's not a real problem. For veg it's ok. I run dynagro grow formula in veg now and prefer it.
The HG needed no calmag like I did with lucas. It's easy to mix being 2 equal parts and the price around here just dropped in half about a month ago. It's about the same cost as running lucas for me now so I'll probably stay with the HG for flowering.

 

[F_T_P!]

I was just wondering if anyone out there using H&G Cocos or AquaFlakes A/B was lowering A and adding more B during flower?

 

[W.P.]

I was just wondering if anyone out there using H&G Cocos or AquaFlakes A/B was lowering A and adding more B during flower?

Thought about it .... But if you read your plants (and some studies) you'll see that deep into flower they need more calcium and less magnesium ....

So IF you need a little mag try Epsom salt.

Summary: w/ H&G start off moderate (really hard to burn if you own a PPM/EC stick.) Add mag (200 ec)first 10 days then again wk5 (on a ten wk strain.)

Hope that helps.

 

[F_T_P!]

Yeah, Some of my plants were showing N toxicity when I went above 8 ml per gallon A&B.

I am not using top booster or shooting powder. Basically no P/K boosters outside of adjusting my A/B ratio.

I have been getting excellent results and was just curious if anyone else has tried this.

Using in flower; Cocos A&B, BudXL, Drip Clean and Pro-teKt

Everything looks great (12 different strains) except the Trainwreck, who is a N whore. She is yellowing a bit, but the OG's take priority with a shared reservoir.

 

[chefro420]

Anyone notice when running H@G their buds end up being harsher? This was with a 10 day flush , Im trying 2+ week flush now. I was running pure blend pro prior and found the taste superior and a smoother smoke . The plant look great using H@G , and great yields. But if the flav lacks and it's harsher, it's not worth it to me .


ANyone else notice this or have any suggestions?

 

[greenthumbdub]

havent finished a run chefro but just curious did you use the full line or just some of it?

 

[W.P.]

User Error!!!!

User Error!!!!

I have been watering 1-2x a day . I have also added liquid karma 10ml a gal (every watering) , and florialicious organic base enhancer ( 1x a week) to both . ALso the coco is getting 2.5ml/gal of cal/mg

IMOP your Coco vs. SS#4 , should be binned. Side by side means , Equal with no variables......

Never had H&G even close to harsh?! Maybe you should stop giving them so much nitrogen during flower ....

Tip H&G Is very specifically mixed, follow correctly and you'll have a top notch product.

.02

 

[chefro420]

IMOP your Coco vs. SS#4 , should be binned. Side by side means , Equal with no variables......

Never had H&G even close to harsh?! Maybe you should stop giving them so much nitrogen during flower ....

Tip H&G Is very specifically mixed, follow correctly and you'll have a top notch product.

.02

1st run followed the whole schedule to a T ,then again for the second run, thanks ! Minus an extra 7 days added then 11 days added to their recommended 3 day flush

SO no variables???SO I should have SS#4 and SS#4 , then coco and coco? Read the 1st post in that thread... Piss off Maybe you could step up and do a better side by side??
Funny I talked to a shop owner about it tonight who also agreed and has had others say they found it harsh.

Thanks for the useless advice