Honey QWISO Forum (lets show them why qwiso is the best)

[StealthDragon]

How are you guys "wringing" out your iso'd trim? Last run I ended up with quite a bit left in the trim...I dried out the leftover trim on cardboard and ended up huge brown hash stains all over it. I'm wondering if anyone is using some sort of juice press or something like this:

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I'm thinking about building something like that..except with a pull-down lever instead of the stupid twist thing....maybe I can convert one of those pop can crushers that hang on the wall....or use that sort of design.

Can anyone think of a similar product that would be a large press like that? There has to be something out there that I'm not thinking of...where I could just throw a sort of thin cloth bag(paint strainer bag?) of iso'd trim in it and just pull a lever and wring it out quick.

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah I don't wring, just bake the trim dry and decarb it, then grind it up a bit with a big food processor if its got a lot of bud (buds are sponges!), put prepped trim into a 5g bucket, then wash with frozen denatured alcohol, stir and pour through a screen into another bucket until its all drained, then through another screen (with filter) into another bucket lined with a teflon bag, do a rinse of the trim with another gallon of alcohol (just a quick pour through) then combine them together, then outside onto a giant double boiler on a hotplate.

Been having trouble purging the oil dry enough this way, so when the bag has about a cup of alcohol left I pour it out into a pyrex pan and bake that at 200*F until dry. Been getting about 4oz of nice oil per pan lately, takes about 2-3# of good trim and about 3G of alcohol to make this much. I have an assembly line system so I make about 4-6 oz per day as long as I have sufficient trim and alcohol!

 

[Chunkypigs]

Stealth, check out potato ricers, from home kitchen size to commercial kitchen size, you will find lots of great supplies at your local restaurant supply house, they usually are happy to sell retail to anyone. they are a more reasonable size compared to apple processing....
unless you are doing quantities like lazyman.. ;-)

I love this thread! I'm just starting to harvest selectively parts from my 1st grow. I had a plant fall over a few days ago and soil got on some of the lower buds. last night while in the middle of this thread I decided to try QWISO on them as a perfect way to process the dirty herb, i chopped it fresh with scissors, 40 grams, put it in the freezer and also chilled the 91 iso in the freezer in a coffee cup for an hour. I swirled them around together in a beaker for about 15 seconds then strained. it was very pale with some green tint, about 25 minutes in a pyrex casserole dish on a dbl boiler, scraped it.

yield .18 grams it's very dark but tasty and quite potent.

I'm drying out the processed material on top of the furnace then i will try a 2nd extraction. thanks so much for the info, I had everything i needed in the kitchen and it was so easy even a noob like me could do it.

 

[Lazyman]

Yep you can also bake your trim in the oven, I do it at 200*F and stir frequently until it stops letting off steam. It should pretty much turn to dust when you squeeze popcorn, and when ground finely this eliminates the greenish tinge to the wash. Lots of dark amber, I have about 3 gallons of wash evaporating right now that started out the color of weak coffee, it should make a nice 4-5 oz of amber glass. When it's thick it looks dark of course, I'll take some pics of the oil I've got folded up in the freezer, they look like dark chocolate tacos (in color and scale.) I love making oil! Makes me feel productive while waiting for flowering to finish.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Yeah I don't wring, just bake the trim dry and decarb it, then grind it up a bit with a big food processor if its got a lot of bud (buds are sponges!), put prepped trim into a 5g bucket, then wash with frozen denatured alcohol, stir and pour through a screen into another bucket until its all drained, then through another screen (with filter) into another bucket lined with a teflon bag, do a rinse of the trim with another gallon of alcohol (just a quick pour through) then combine them together, then outside onto a giant double boiler on a hotplate.

Been having trouble purging the oil dry enough this way, so when the bag has about a cup of alcohol left I pour it out into a pyrex pan and bake that at 200*F until dry. Been getting about 4oz of nice oil per pan lately, takes about 2-3# of good trim and about 3G of alcohol to make this much. I have an assembly line system so I make about 4-6 oz per day as long as I have sufficient trim and alcohol!

lol. why is your name lazyman?

 

[Aeroguerilla]

So im starting to think that making hash with rubbing alcohol has to be in some way bad for you. So im thinking about making my own 100% alcohol and then extracting the hash oil. A consumable alcohol would be much healthier then rubbing alcohol made for outside of body.

 

[dingbat]

So im starting to think that making hash with rubbing alcohol has to be in some way bad for you. So im thinking about making my own 100% alcohol and then extracting the hash oil. A consumable alcohol would be much healthier then rubbing alcohol made for outside of body.

looks like you need to do more research on solvents. iso is great and leaves nothing behind if done properly. Using almost any type of solvent and not completely purging could be very risky to your health.

 

[thaiboxer]

i use a coffee press with a fine mesh.

made some today, 10 sec wash. dried/decarbed & then made green dragon.

would like a way to turn qwiso in quasi-GD if anyone has a process.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

looks like you need to do more research on solvents. iso is great and leaves nothing behind if done properly. Using almost any type of solvent and not completely purging could be very risky to your health.

learn something new everyday. im still gonna try it with some moonshine see what we get!

 

[TruthOrLie]

iso evaporates so how could anything be left to harm

 

[Truthbesaid]

Hey guys doing my first try using actual buds tomorrow. Just a few questions, I'm using really dry buds from last year, had em hanging in the garage an forgot. There's quite a few ounces so could I use half gallon mason jars an if so I'd assume it'll take about 20 seconds to pour all the iso in. So do I pour as soon as im done pouring or do I shake for a few extra seconds. An it's for a personal stash so I'm not worried about quantity as much as quality

 

[StealthDragon]

truthbesaid- I pour mine in, shake about a minute or 2 and then drain...it's the draining process that can take quite a while so make sure you have everything prepared. The finer your filter the slower it will take to drain. The first time I did qwiso I was trying to do it all quick and it ended up taking 15 minutes or so to drain through a single coffee filter and I was freaking out. I definitely wasn't disappointed in the quality at all though. The next batch I was more prepared and drained through a few pieces of paintstrainer material and it of course drained way quicker but also let more particles through. So it's sort of a trade off imo. Faster drain so there's less soak time or slower drain through a finer filter but you end up with a longer soak...reading through the thread I was under the impression that 30 sec wash vs 10 minute wash would be a huge difference in quality, but honestly I couldn't tell the difference and still can't. When I use mason jars I just shake a few minutes and then put a coffee filter on the jar..screw only the ring back on and then flip it upside down on a cookie cooling wrack that sits utop a pyrex dish and let it sit and drain fer a while..sometimes swishing it to make it go faster.

edit: oh yeh and figure out how yer gonna wring that shit out imo there's quite a bit left in the trim that doesn't drain. oh yeh and freeze everything....jars,iso,trim...

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey guys doing my first try using actual buds tomorrow. Just a few questions, I'm using really dry buds from last year, had em hanging in the garage an forgot. There's quite a few ounces so could I use half gallon mason jars an if so I'd assume it'll take about 20 seconds to pour all the iso in. So do I pour as soon as im done pouring or do I shake for a few extra seconds. An it's for a personal stash so I'm not worried about quantity as much as quality

20 seconds is a hell of a long time to pour a half gallon of alcohol. Might I suggest that you pour the alcohol out of the bottle into another half gallon jar first, so you can dump it in faster.

I use a 20 second wash with ISO and then dump the jar into a fine wire stainer for a fast drain and then refilter it through a large commercial sized coffee filter.

I press the material in the strainer with my fist to quickly express the retained material and have bagged it up before and run it through my hydraulic tincture press, but by the time I got the pressure on it, the alcohol had already mostly evaporated.

One of our associates built a faster acting press and drilled about a bazillion small diameter holes in 14 quart stainless pot, into which he drops a bag of alcohol wet trim and rapidly presses out the remaining alcohol using hydraulics.

The restaurant supply ricer already suggested by CP is a quick and easy way to possess a press without spending time in the shop, and the giant ricers are a slick fast way to press out material fast before it simply evaporates.

The term ISO is oft misused, to include QWET (Quick wash ethanol), which takes about three minutes of soak as compared to 15 to 20 seconds with isopropyl (QWISO) or QWME (Quick Wash Methanol).

As has been noted by several others, any number of solvents are used to extract the food that we eat, and the secret to their successful use is to subsequently remove them to small increments of their Threshold Limit Value, Permitable exposure limits, and LD-50 ratings (where half the population exposed to it are dead).

The other factor of course is that at a small increments of their pernicious level, the solvents leave taste behind. Looking at the Cambrian explosion of life forms, chemical taste was the first preditory evolvement, with sight following much later.

After all, we evolutionarily developed our ability to discern questionable flavors, to not only find food, but to keep us from ingesting stuff pernicious to us.

The important part is to remove them below levels of concern before ingesting them. Oxygen above 75% atmosphere is deadly to us, so paying attention to the dosage is the key.

 

[BIG JT]

whats a fair price for a 5/8 dram full of QWISO? I just spent about 2 frustrating hours trying to melt this shit into little vials. I got super stoned first time I smoked it, but my lungs can no longer take the abuse, hence why im selling it. I can't seem to get the yield I did off of the bubble and have a hard time selling it.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

damn im fucking hurting today guys... made about 3 trays each tray i used about 3.5 of the big bottles of iso91 and about 6-8oz per batch... I had 1 of the trays cooking away real nice outside in the garage on the doubleboiler... well... the pot that i was boiling water in was under my pyrex dish i used the steam from the water to heat up my pyrex dish! WRONG FUCKING IDEA!!! i came out to find my pot low on water so i started adding fresh water... well i accidentaly knocked the tray of iso that was 1/2 evaporated right into the boiling pot of water it shot up into a 10ft flame almost catching my garage on fire. i grabbed that bitch on fire and dragged her outside in the process scolding my whole left arm pretty fucking badly. Lesson learned.. never use heat to speed evap the alcohol. Fuck me im so sore right now

 

[Lazyman]

whats a fair price for a 5/8 dram full of QWISO? I just spent about 2 frustrating hours trying to melt this shit into little vials. I got super stoned first time I smoked it, but my lungs can no longer take the abuse, hence why im selling it. I can't seem to get the yield I did off of the bubble and have a hard time selling it.

I forget how much a dram is, but wholesale at $10-20 pre gram, retails at 40-50 per gram. I've seen CO2 oil go for $75-80/gr retail.

 

[Lazyman]

damn im fucking hurting today guys... made about 3 trays each tray i used about 3.5 of the big bottles of iso91 and about 6-8oz per batch... I had 1 of the trays cooking away real nice outside in the garage on the doubleboiler... well... the pot that i was boiling water in was under my pyrex dish i used the steam from the water to heat up my pyrex dish! WRONG FUCKING IDEA!!! i came out to find my pot low on water so i started adding fresh water... well i accidentaly knocked the tray of iso that was 1/2 evaporated right into the boiling pot of water it shot up into a 10ft flame almost catching my garage on fire. i grabbed that bitch on fire and dragged her outside in the process scolding my whole left arm pretty fucking badly. Lesson learned.. never use heat to speed evap the alcohol. Fuck me im so sore right now

Fuck, sorry brother, I almost burned down my house when two pans shattered in my oven, about $8K in damage to it (new oven, sheetrock, wiring, cabinetry, refinishing, repainting, and new linoleum.)

I now advocate the double boiler method outside on a hot plate, I have a gazebo-type thing to keep the rain out, and have a hose and a fire extinguisher a few feet away.

My setup allows about 2.5 gallons of wash to be evaporated pretty safely:

Big pot on electric hot plate, with 2" of water in it
Inside that, a 3G metal bucket with water in it
Inside that, a turkey bag
Inside that, a teflon lined bag from Welch Fluorocarbon (pail liner.)
I use the hose to fill the metal bucket almost to the top, so none of the plastic bags touch anything other than hot water.

Even totally full, the bucket is evaporated down in about 4-6 hours. I'm finding recirculating CO2 machines to be outrageously priced, so now I'm shopping for a solvent recovery/distiller system so I can recycle hexane or ethanol. Right now I'm evaporating 20 gallons of denatured a week outside.

Good luck everyone and be safe!

 

[juicepuddle]

damn im fucking hurting today guys... made about 3 trays each tray i used about 3.5 of the big bottles of iso91 and about 6-8oz per batch... I had 1 of the trays cooking away real nice outside in the garage on the doubleboiler... well... the pot that i was boiling water in was under my pyrex dish i used the steam from the water to heat up my pyrex dish! WRONG FUCKING IDEA!!! i came out to find my pot low on water so i started adding fresh water... well i accidentaly knocked the tray of iso that was 1/2 evaporated right into the boiling pot of water it shot up into a 10ft flame almost catching my garage on fire. i grabbed that bitch on fire and dragged her outside in the process scolding my whole left arm pretty fucking badly. Lesson learned.. never use heat to speed evap the alcohol. Fuck me im so sore right now

i am glad you can still type! and that your alive! thanks for sharing you experience so others might be more cautious in their work, I hope you can make a good recovery, burns are excruciating, good luck and stay safe!

 

[Truthbesaid]

Hey thanks guys for the advice everything came out a nice amber I have 4 9x13 preyex dishes full of a nice light coffee mixture drying in a ventilated paint/finishing room on racks with wire mesh on the top of them. Just letting them go naturally can't wait to see the finished product. An what I did was 15 second mild shake (rolled the jar on it's side a few seconds) poured into a fine wire mesh strainer that was sitting in a glass bowl I just used a glass bowl the same size as the strainer to press the wet greens than lined the strainer with a few layers of unbleached cheese cloth(it's what's available to me) poured back through the strainer an let it drip into the final dish. It all worked beautifully My first time could not of gone so smoothly without your advice guys. Thank you Thank you thank you

 

[thaiboxer]

found my answer!! I knew i had seen it before.

I've been boiling the water then putting the glass pan on & turning it off. the heat evaporates it fairly quickly, giving it a little heat if it needs it. Having the pyrex breaking/spilling would suck.

from lazyman himself..

"I've found a way to make tincture that doesn't involve soaking bud in everclear, I think the purity of anything soaked like this is questionable. I've tasted a number of tinctures over the years and most of them taste like shit (like lawn clippings soaked in everclear, barf!)

Basically I start with clean and filtered honey QWISO (I use ISO, denatured, or acetone, whichever I can get 4-8 gallons of when I need it) and purge it well. It needs to be dry and decarboxylized before use.

Then simply take about 2 grams of honey oil, mix it with a 1/2 oz of everclear and dissolve it at room temps. This takes a while to dissolve but well worth it. When there are no chunks remaining I put in a splash of 100 proof peppermint schnapps, for a little sweet and flavor. I use little squeeze bottles with a dropper tip. 4 drops and you're STONED. It actually tastes good, is small and concealable, and should last forever.

Start with a purified extract and then dilute it with alcohol. Otherwise you end up with a lot more cholorophyll and other crap that just doesn't get you high and generally tastes bad. "