HerBnGorE(illa)
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Chimera.
Id tell them to keep their money and just promise to never use your name/genetics in their mag! Your reputation is way more valuable than a few dirty dollars!
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High Times / High Crimes - Have You Been Ripped-Off?
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Chimera.
Id tell them to keep their money and just promise to never use your name/genetics in their mag! Your reputation is way more valuable than a few dirty dollars!
Happy Rooster
Member
^^^^^ I'd tell them half the minimum was fine with me. $ 70,000 buys a lot of fertilizer, grow medium, and lights.
G`day Schip
So you want the Dutch co-conspirators of a huge scam [ie the Cannabis Cups in A dam ] to now snitch on their partners in crime ?
If they were to be totally honest .
That would expose themselves as liars and frauds and in cahoots with HT .
How many times have the same cuts been entered under different names and then advertised as Cup winner and must have ?
I know of at least 2 instances .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
So you want the Dutch co-conspirators of a huge scam [ie the Cannabis Cups in A dam ] to now snitch on their partners in crime ?
If they were to be totally honest .
That would expose themselves as liars and frauds and in cahoots with HT .
How many times have the same cuts been entered under different names and then advertised as Cup winner and must have ?
I know of at least 2 instances .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
H.T.ClassAction
Member
To Be Clear ...
To Be Clear ...
To be clear, we are not an attorney, rather we are the aggrieved party.
Two long-time H.T. contributors are involved so far, and others are possible.
We suspected that going "public" here, and on other sites, might draw the response we've seen.
If enough people come forward, then it could become a class action.
If not, then it will remain a multi-party suit in Federal court.
Suit might also be filed in Canada.
One of the violations, related to internet advertising, stretches around the world.
H.T. used it to promote their book throughout most of Western Europe, India, China, and Japan.
We intend to screw them however and wherever we can.
To Be Clear ...
To be clear, we are not an attorney, rather we are the aggrieved party.
Two long-time H.T. contributors are involved so far, and others are possible.
We suspected that going "public" here, and on other sites, might draw the response we've seen.
If enough people come forward, then it could become a class action.
If not, then it will remain a multi-party suit in Federal court.
Suit might also be filed in Canada.
One of the violations, related to internet advertising, stretches around the world.
H.T. used it to promote their book throughout most of Western Europe, India, China, and Japan.
We intend to screw them however and wherever we can.
H.T.ClassAction
Member
It would be helpful if you'd post, or PM, the names of those shops.
We'd very much like to contact them to inquire about the specifics.
The contract language would be very important, as well as the applicable Colorado statutes.
Also implicated would be the U.C.C., the Uniform Commercial Code.
The contracts we always used with H.T. were drawn under those standards, but they've chosen to ignore them.
MileHighGlass
Senior Member
It was so many. Maybe up to 100. Poke around and you will find plenty of people.
Wow Weird, you sure have a weird take on things.
Let's see AFAIK, pot smoking lawyers are the ones who actually fought in court for decriminalization, medical and legalization. Lawyers write laws, remember? And they are on both sides of every equation.
Lawyers are the ones who make the difference between losing everything you own and spending 20 yrs in prison or getting off with a fine or even getting your pot back (happens more and more every day).
To diss lawyers is easy till the day you need one....
H.T.ClassAction
Member
This is true, but what about the lawyers in this ca$e, what will their take be?
The question of fees is currently under discussion.
We've consulted attorneys from coast to coast, but haven't yet formally engaged counsel.
In some jurisdictions, contingency numbers can be stiff.
A large complicating factor is the question of Venue in copyright cases. It's really complicated.
Who does what, and where, ... we're working it out.
Please understand that it's a two-way street.
Clients are free to consult, and evaluate, attorneys before actually becoming a client.
Attorney's are free to pick and choose to either take cases, and accept clients, or not.
I just like to illustrate the part of the bureaucratic coin that forced prohibition in the first place. Self interest.
Who gets paid in a class action lawsuit and how are they catalysts for new laws? Do these lawyers take the profits and spend them to lobby to help bring resolution to the original cause? As I see it this is about commercial interests and less about rights.
Thankfully I am not worried about harshing the vibe of a class action lawyer because I wouldn't call on one to defend me.
I hope y'all have contacted warren edson, who won the award in 2001, im not sure if he openly practices still... but he was on front lines of cleaning up after HTCC left massive messes at the locations of their cups in denver a few years in a row 2012 ish, both at exdo event center AND at the merchandise mart.
H.T.ClassAction
Member
It appears that he's still around.
His firms' website is up & online.
By "massive messes" do you mean trash & debris?
Or was financial and business wreckage left behind as well?
We might get in touch with him & get some background.
Intellectual property isn't one of his firms areas of practice.
by "massive messes" i mean literally TRASHed the place, overflowing garbage cans, booths with tables and tents standing there with snow collecting on them. the "cannabis community" came together and cleaned up - some businesses with banners still hanging over abandoned booths sent employees to help cleanup; fearing backlash im sure.
best part? htcc pulled the same shit 2 years in a row AFTER the first stink about the mess.
sure this doesn't play into anything you can use in your suite, it more speaks to the general character of the who you are dealing with. and might (partially) play into why they were refused event permits for the 4.20 events that were scheduled to happen in CO (denver/pueblo) and did NOT this year
best part? htcc pulled the same shit 2 years in a row AFTER the first stink about the mess.
sure this doesn't play into anything you can use in your suite, it more speaks to the general character of the who you are dealing with. and might (partially) play into why they were refused event permits for the 4.20 events that were scheduled to happen in CO (denver/pueblo) and did NOT this year
I think the big problem with HT is their disorganization. This goes along with the stoner headset, because it's hard to keep things together when you're wacked out on great cannabis (and other drugs!)
Also they've overextended themselves with all these events around the world.
I can understand why they decided to stop the Amsterdam event because of costs involved (way cheaper to hold in the US), the # of other events they have going on, and the Conservative Dutch government that is making it difficult for cannabizes.
They need to focus on their core biz and not get even further extended into bars and clubs with who knows what products. They need to tone down (quit) the bullying of other businesses. They need to get their act together and find some ppl who aren't hard core stoners to manage their business and events.
Those vendors who attend their events need to read the contracts carefully. Because in this case, it's going to come down to the contracts. I'm pretty sure HT has included all sorts of immunity in case of this or that in their contracts.
So most of the issues ppl have with HT could be solved with better management, which I understand is now in place... But the bullying hasn't stopped...
Also they've overextended themselves with all these events around the world.
I can understand why they decided to stop the Amsterdam event because of costs involved (way cheaper to hold in the US), the # of other events they have going on, and the Conservative Dutch government that is making it difficult for cannabizes.
They need to focus on their core biz and not get even further extended into bars and clubs with who knows what products. They need to tone down (quit) the bullying of other businesses. They need to get their act together and find some ppl who aren't hard core stoners to manage their business and events.
Those vendors who attend their events need to read the contracts carefully. Because in this case, it's going to come down to the contracts. I'm pretty sure HT has included all sorts of immunity in case of this or that in their contracts.
So most of the issues ppl have with HT could be solved with better management, which I understand is now in place... But the bullying hasn't stopped...
H.T.ClassAction
Member
One Example of the Rip-off:
One Example of the Rip-off:
This is the cover of the most recent book produced by High Times
This is the center-spread of the March, 1985 issue of H.T., showing pages 50 & 51. It's a screen-shot from the High Times' own website!
This is a closeup of the lower Right corner, with the Copyright notice, and the Registered Trademark "bug", both of which were ignored and cropped-out
This is the cropped image as it appears in the book.
This is a portion of the center-spread, cropped to the same proportions as it was used in the book.
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One Example of the Rip-off:
This is the cover of the most recent book produced by High Times
This is the center-spread of the March, 1985 issue of H.T., showing pages 50 & 51. It's a screen-shot from the High Times' own website!
This is a closeup of the lower Right corner, with the Copyright notice, and the Registered Trademark "bug", both of which were ignored and cropped-out
This is the cropped image as it appears in the book.
This is a portion of the center-spread, cropped to the same proportions as it was used in the book.
Attachments
This is the cropped image as it appears in the book.
That's why uploading slightly smaller and/or lesser quality images than the originals is a wise idea.
So if somebody says they didn't steal your image you can produce the higher quality one and call
them on it publicly destroying their credibility.
Exactly what I recommend!
People should resize their images before uploading anywhere on the Net.
You can even put copyright info in the metadata if you want.
I'm not sure, but it would seem if you're trying to sue HT over a pic from 1985 or earlier, you'll run into the statute of limitations.
So it would seem you're too late to do anything significant.
Now if they were to reprint the book again, with the same photos, you might have a case then.
H.T.ClassAction
Member
Not Correct ... etc.
Not Correct ... etc.
They first published it in 85' ... no problem.
They digitalized it a few years ago ... no problem.
But, they re-published it, in the book, in late 2014.
It had been digitalized, and therefore came under the D.M.C.A..
We're well within the statutory time limit.
Check out our next post ... .
Even at this late date, this older rip-off might be actionable.
Not Correct ... etc.
They first published it in 85' ... no problem.
They digitalized it a few years ago ... no problem.
But, they re-published it, in the book, in late 2014.
It had been digitalized, and therefore came under the D.M.C.A..
We're well within the statutory time limit.
Check out our next post ... .
Even at this late date, this older rip-off might be actionable.
