High price seeds over $20 each good genetics wrapped in golden paper mean

[Dime]

I heard you could pull an lb off a plant in a Styrofoam cup, with Kong beans.

My friend grew one kong plant back in 1996 and the villiage is still smoking it,he built an entire house out of the branches,no lie

 

[Travis Kelcee]

LOL its rare RARE...as in orb extinct...[you can’t be serious]..show me your kong seeds or stfu[politely]

why’re you showing me other varieties..

those grapes are probably sour anyway-Aesop s character

I am as old as you and grown as much crap as you..and I know all that crap

bro..I WANT Kong seeds and its obvious I will never get any


dream big

I remember reading about Kong on the old Laughing Moon forum.

 

[xtsho]

Kong? "Rare", you can't be serious. "Rare" doesn't mean quality as I've found out over decades of growing. I'd rather have some pros like Dubi/Ace and others work it than to take my chances on whether or not it's quality. Good example is the Positronics O. Haze (Sam the Skunkman collection) is meh, not worth my time regarding potency or quality of high and I've grown out at least 9 O. Haze seeds indoors and out. Same with Dalat Vietnamese, both indoor and out. High just isn't there and it takes FOREVER to finish.

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I've got literally 100's of mutts and old stuff like 90's Mexican seeds, O. Haze, Dalat Vietamese, etc. crosses like O. Haze X Sensi Skunk or C99 but there is nothing rare to me. Closest rare aka different I can come to is what I've been ordering from Real Seeds, Ace via Mandala (like my recent Beldia X Lebanese cross). My recent order which included a $18.XX cost for stealth shipping, 12 days, comes out to $4.98/seed.

I've been a member of many cannabis forums (most defunct) for over 20 years and there's one theme that runs thru them all, especially for noobs - if the supplements, rocket fuels and marketed seeds don't cost a lot and come with confusing obtuse directions/claims, it can't be any good.

Choose wisely,
Uncle Ben

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Ace is the place for sure. I've been growing mostly their stuff for years. It's all been good.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

I remember reading about Kong on the old Laughing Moon forum.

It was the laughing stock back in the day fer sure. Scam City. Believe $300 USD for 10 seeds.

A fool and his money......

 

[Travis Kelcee]

It was the laughing stock back in the day fer sure. Scam City. Believe $300 USD for 10 seeds.

A fool and his money......

I didn't peak my interest back then. Especially after the old BG in/out mix produced the "Tommy Lee" of buds I posted on Ron's site.

 

[RequiredUsername]

Kong? "Rare", you can't be serious. "Rare" doesn't mean quality as I've found out over decades of growing. I'd rather have some pros like Dubi/Ace and others work it than to take my chances on whether or not it's quality. Good example is the Positronics O. Haze (Sam the Skunkman collection) is meh, not worth my time regarding potency or quality of high and I've grown out at least 9 O. Haze seeds indoors and out. Same with Dalat Vietnamese, both indoor and out. High just isn't there and it takes FOREVER to finish.

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I've got literally 100's of mutts and old stuff like 90's Mexican seeds, O. Haze, Dalat Vietamese, etc. crosses like O. Haze X Sensi Skunk or C99 but there is nothing rare to me. Closest rare aka different I can come to is what I've been ordering from Real Seeds, Ace via Mandala (like my recent Beldia X Lebanese cross). My recent order which included a $18.XX cost for stealth shipping, 12 days, comes out to $4.98/seed.

I've been a member of many cannabis forums (most defunct) for over 20 years and there's one theme that runs thru them all, especially for noobs - if the supplements, rocket fuels and marketed seeds don't cost a lot and come with confusing obtuse directions/claims, it can't be any good.

Choose wisely,
Uncle Ben

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Agreed, it's about quality. The problem is most of the new gardeners haven't seen quality to recognize it. Sinsemilla? You only get that from regular seeds. How many new growers do you think have even heard that word? And F1? You only get that from breeding 2 IBL lines, or landrace together. After that it loses its vigor. When you blend the colors of cannabis together, into polyhybrids you always get brown. If a plant is a hybrid from 7 or 10 plants.... can you predict what may come out of that? Chaos. Some short, some tall, some stinky, some this, some that. It's great if you like surprises and happy accidents. I posted the link to that study in 6 US states of the "diversity " of cannabis. Unlike what they expected, it turns out out of thousands of samples, all with different strain names, indica, sativa or hybrid... there were 3 distinct groups that they fit into according to their chemical profile. That's brown right there. You cant trust a single thing a major seed company says these days. Hype, yeah, that's also an ugly part of it. But the thing is, they are brainwashing these new folks with a lot of disinformation, misinformation, and it's hard to keep your mouth shut when people are exploited because they have an endocanibinoid system.

 

[Travis Kelcee]

Agreed, it's about quality. The problem is most of the new gardeners haven't seen quality to recognize it. Sinsemilla? You only get that from regular seeds. How many new growers do you think have even heard that word? And F1? You only get that from breeding 2 IBL lines, or landrace together. After that it loses its vigor. When you blend the colors of cannabis together, into polyhybrids you always get brown. If a plant is a hybrid from 7 or 10 plants.... can you predict what may come out of that? Chaos. Some short, some tall, some stinky, some this, some that. It's great if you like surprises and happy accidents. I posted the link to that study in 6 US states of the "diversity " of cannabis. Unlike what they expected, it turns out out of thousands of samples, all with different strain names, indica, sativa or hybrid... there were 3 distinct groups that they fit into according to their chemical profile. That's brown right there. You cant trust a single thing a major seed company says these days. Hype, yeah, that's also an ugly part of it. But the thing is, they are brainwashing these new folks with a lot of disinformation, misinformation, and it's hard to keep your mouth shut when people are exploited because they have an endocanibinoid system.

So you are saying Gorilla glue triple Og cookies X c99 F-12's are not the bomb diggity?

 

[Dime]

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[RequiredUsername]

n) is meh, not worth my time re

Most aren't usually known for tossing quality seeds, but he did take a bunch of seeds with em as he was leaving right? Everyone else was in jail. The guy in the group that has luck to get out first always takes all the seeds. That other guy did it too in Oregon. Its like a pattern. Everyone goes to jail except that one guy. He hits the jackpot. Wierd, ain't it? Fortune favors the different ones I guess.

 

[RequiredUsername]

So you are saying Gorilla glue triple Og cookies X c99 F-12's are not the bomb diggity?

I am by far no expert, but I have a gut feeling the answer would be no after I try it.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Sinsemilla? You only get that from regular seeds. How many new growers do you think have even heard that word? And F1? You only get that from breeding 2 IBL lines, or landrace together. After that it loses its vigor.

Allow me to laugh for a sec from those statements
Fem and reg seeds are the same dude, selection will dictate if you have herm or not, stop playing.
F1 is a name for every cross you make, it doesn't matter to whom, mother, father, sister or brother
A cross is a cross, if it's the start of your generation it's F1.
IBL and landraces have nothing to do with what generation you are on.
IBL only means you only cross within that genetic, S2 with S1, F1 from sister and brother and so on
It has no meaning if you don't run high numbers or know how to better aka select further down the line

Breeders should only release S1 after they worked at least 5-6 generations of that clone.
You work, make a stable seed making plant, you self it for the last time and that's your TBL (True Breeding Line) S1.
Weed is so crossed today I think maybe you need to go even higher but each strain and what it will take to get it to consistent results.

F1 is the same, you only cross 2 TBL lines, for a true capable F1 cross that will make a "new" and exciting strain otherwise it's a crapshoot.

But all in all I do agree with most of your post
@RequiredUsername

 

[RequiredUsername]

Allow me to laugh for a sec from those statements
Fem and reg seeds are the same dude, selection will dictate if you have herm or not, stop playing.
F1 is a name for every cross you make, it doesn't matter to whom, mother, father, sister or brother
A cross is a cross, if it's the start of your generation it's F1.
IBL and landraces have nothing to do with what generation you are on.
IBL only means you only cross within that genetic, S2 with S1, F1 from sister and brother and so on
It has no meaning if you don't run high numbers or know how to better aka select further down the line

Breeders should only release S1 after they worked at least 5-6 generations of that clone.
You work, make a stable seed making plant, you self it for the last time and that's your TBL (True Breeding Line) S1.
Weed is so crossed today I think maybe you need to go even higher but each strain and what it will take to get it to consistent results.

F1 is the same, you only cross 2 TBL lines, for a true capable F1 cross that will make a "new" and exciting strain otherwise it's a crapshoot.

But all in all I do agree with most of your post
@RequiredUsername

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I'm just a smoker. Are you sure you are a pollen chucker?

 

[RequiredUsername]

And no, feminized seeds are not the same quality as regulars. They have lowered pest/mildew resistance, they need more water, more nutrients, they carry the hermaphroditic trait, and its effects dont last as long or hit as hard as mother nature seeds. I have seen plenty hermie at about week 6 of flowering. For some kid that doesn't know, growing a few 24 inch plants in a tent for fun, ok. Yeah, doesn't matter. But for medicine, or connoisseurs, only marijuana from regular seed parents is appropriate. True medical marijuana comes from sinsemilla. Feminized anx autoflower dont go into sinsemilla stage. They hermie or decay. The difference is the feminized is made for a grower. What I smoke is made specifically for the end user. Not the grower. It makes a world of difference boy.

 

[xtsho]

And no, feminized seeds are not the same quality as regulars. They have lowered pest/mildew resistance, they need more water, more nutrients, they carry the hermaphroditic trait, and its effects dont last as long or hit as hard as mother nature seeds. I have seen plenty hermie at about week 6 of flowering. For some kid that doesn't know, growing a few 24 inch plants in a tent for fun, ok. Yeah, doesn't matter. But for medicine, or connoisseurs, only marijuana from regular seed parents is appropriate. True medical marijuana comes from sinsemilla. Feminized anx autoflower dont go into sinsemilla stage. They hermie or decay. The difference is the feminized is made for a grower. What I smoke is made specifically for the end user. Not the grower. It makes a world of difference boy.

I've been making feminized seeds for over 20 years and I've never had a single one display hermaphroditic traits.

 

[RequiredUsername]

I've been making feminized seeds for over 20 years and I've never had a single one display hermaphroditic traits.

I understand. When a plant is chemically induced, stressed into hermaphroditism, this is what made the organism successful. This trait is passed on. That's just how nature works. Now, depending on your grow style, it is possible you wont see it. But if you give cannabis what it likes, the right amount of light, the right amount of dark, the right treatment for short day plants, their sexual expression is more vigorous, uh.. more robust and better resin production. If I apply that technique to feminized, they hermie 3 out of 5 plants. I'll post a pic. The pic is of a feminized cookie gelato, I wont embarrass the big Spanish seed co that it came from by name, but this was no KO like they hype it. I have pics of other feminized seeds going hermie to. Right next to healthy regular plants. You cant trust feminized seeds in a grow. I only catch it because I do daily inspections. Newbs that never saw a male cannabis plant may not even notice. Until they find seeds. Little hermie seeds. Just like Mom-Dad. You know that pregnant man gif? Looks like Bill Gates?? That's the feminized seed.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

And no, feminized seeds are not the same quality as regulars. They have lowered pest/mildew resistance, they need more water, more nutrients, they carry the hermaphroditic trait, and its effects dont last as long or hit as hard as mother nature seeds. I have seen plenty hermie at about week 6 of flowering. For some kid that doesn't know, growing a few 24 inch plants in a tent for fun, ok. Yeah, doesn't matter. But for medicine, or connoisseurs, only marijuana from regular seed parents is appropriate. True medical marijuana comes from sinsemilla. Feminized anx autoflower dont go into sinsemilla stage. They hermie or decay. The difference is the feminized is made for a grower. What I smoke is made specifically for the end user. Not the grower. It makes a world of difference boy.

Sorry but you are just being border line dreamer now...
Herm happens due to selection or stress, it has nothing to do with fem or reg seeds lol I've had reg and fem herm on me.
Lower pest and mildew ? That's selection, not DNA.
They need more water
Effects don't hit as long or hard ?
Boi come close I think you need a school lesson from the old timers here
Everything you think you know is wrong. remember who first told you this.

My god kids today and their lack of knowledge is amazing
Oh how the world has changed in the last 15 years

Lol stable seeds are IBL
Go back to school kiddo

 

[RequiredUsername]

Regular female cannabis seeds:

Feminized cannabis seeds:

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

I love how people without any sense or knowledge show us that

 

[RequiredUsername]

I love how people without any sense or knowledge show us that

I had to define F1for you on previous pages. If that's not embarrassing enough.....

How long have you been misrepresenting your product?

 

[Travis Kelcee]

To much $$$ in seeds for there not to be deceptive marketing.

I found @dubi descriptions to accurate among the 9 Ace strains I grew.