Hello, first post, first seeds. Kali China and Orient Express

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Orient Expess flowering day 32

Orient Expess flowering day 32

lower canopy






top bud



lower bud





don't remember which one...






Overall, I guess I keep going like this. Have cut down the fertilizer for KC about 50%


Temperature has been 20-22 at night and 24-26 during the day. I will now gradually lower to 16-20 °C for the next (4?) weeks of flowering. The little girls still need to fatten up.

 

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lower canopy



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top bud


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lower bud


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don't remember which one...



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Overall, I guess I keep going like this. Have cut down the fertilizer for KC about 50%


Temperature has been 20-22 at night and 24-26 during the day. I will now gradually lower to 16-20 °C for the next (4?) weeks of flowering. The little girls still need to fatten up.

Why lower temperatures?Let it ride as it is.What's the reasoning for cutting down fertiliser for KC?
They are looking good C.S ,why alter the "recipe"?

 

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Why lower temperatures?Let it ride as it is.What's the reasoning for cutting down fertiliser for KC?
They are looking good C.S ,why alter the "recipe"?

ACE recommends it on their website for both strains: "In order to obtain the best results indoors, we recommend warm temperatures (around 25ºC) during the growing stage and the first 4 weeks of flowering. In the last month, temperatures should be reduced to 20ºC for the rest of the flowering process."
I have a temp difference of about 5 degrees between morning and evening, so currently I am aiming at 18 in the morning. 16 is probably a bit too low, what do you guys think?



I am seeing some branches of KC with very dark green leaves and a little bit of brown burnt tips on a few leaves, so I figured I better back down on the fertilizer before too much builds up. I won't stop completely, just reduce the concentration. I think I was up pretty high during the last week or so.

 

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ACE recommends it on their website for both strains: "In order to obtain the best results indoors, we recommend warm temperatures (around 25ºC) during the growing stage and the first 4 weeks of flowering. In the last month, temperatures should be reduced to 20ºC for the rest of the flowering process."
I have a temp difference of about 5 degrees between morning and evening, so currently I am aiming at 18 in the morning. 16 is probably a bit too low, what do you guys think?



I am seeing some branches of KC with very dark green leaves and a little bit of brown burnt tips on a few leaves, so I figured I better back down on the fertilizer before too much builds up. I won't stop completely, just reduce the concentration. I think I was up pretty high during the last week or so.

You do not need "advice' no more my friend.The minute you started studying leaves,colors,you'll find your way.Follow your instinct,continue reading.Excellent C.S

 

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You do not need "advice' no more my friend.The minute you started studying leaves,colors,you'll find your way.Follow your instinct,continue reading.Excellent C.S

Thanks DNM1, if one looks closely, it is amazing to see how the plants find their way and react to their environment.

 

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Thanks DNM1, if one looks closely, it is amazing to see how the plants find their way and react to their environment.

But my friend, with every day that goes by, you are becoming them

 

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5 weeks in flower

5 weeks in flower

five weeks exactly today, all is going well

 

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first two pics from post above are KC, 3 and 4 are OE

 

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five weeks exactly today, all is going well

Fantastic

 

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Fantastic

Thanks DNM1.

Temps now range between 18 and 21 °C, humidity 55-60%. I have a fan blowing inside the tent during the day since about 4 weeks, creating very slight leaf movement. Don't know whether this is really necessary, the total air flow through the tent seems to be significant.


The composite smell in the tent is still mainly lion cage, but occasionally I get a very distinct whiff that's definitely mango.
There is not much to describe when sticking a nose near the buds, but holy cow if you touch these sugar leaves or stems! It is absolutely enchantingly addictive. Citrusy incense, hard to describe and with a subtle difference between the two strains.



I can already tell that Orient Express will take a little longer to finish but will probably yield more.
I am wondering whether I should remove some of the small larfy buds down low on the stems in the shade?
Also, what is the best general strategy in fertilizing? Do you guys keep it on the low side just to prevent deficiency, or is it better to max out and stay just below overfeeding? Find the golden middle path?

 

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Thanks DNM1.

Temps now range between 18 and 21 °C, humidity 55-60%. I have a fan blowing inside the tent during the day since about 4 weeks, creating very slight leaf movement. Don't know whether this is really necessary, the total air flow through the tent seems to be significant.


The composite smell in the tent is still mainly lion cage, but occasionally I get a very distinct whiff that's definitely mango.
There is not much to describe when sticking a nose near the buds, but holy cow if you touch these sugar leaves or stems! It is absolutely enchantingly addictive. Citrusy incense, hard to describe and with a subtle difference between the two strains.



I can already tell that Orient Express will take a little longer to finish but will probably yield more.
I am wondering whether I should remove some of the small larfy buds down low on the stems in the shade?
Also, what is the best general strategy in fertilizing? Do you guys keep it on the low side just to prevent deficiency, or is it better to max out and stay just below overfeeding? Find the golden middle path?

Feeding continues as normal, and,I would up temps slightly at 25C.(need to check if the slight purple fade is a "byproduct" of low temp?,nothing to worry.easily fixed)
At this stage,they need their nutrients.Continue keeping "colour" of leaves "healthy"
You have to fill me in how far in flower you are C.S,and,do yo have a lens/microscope?(saw it 5 weeks)
Smells/aromas you get by rubbing your finger on their stems, as well as what floats in the air.Small buds will become your "testers',before the end.If your light is penetrating proper, why cut them off?(LST a bit,maybe)

 

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Thanks DNM1.

Temps now range between 18 and 21 °C, humidity 55-60%. I have a fan blowing inside the tent during the day since about 4 weeks, creating very slight leaf movement. Don't know whether this is really necessary, the total air flow through the tent seems to be significant.


The composite smell in the tent is still mainly lion cage, but occasionally I get a very distinct whiff that's definitely mango.
There is not much to describe when sticking a nose near the buds, but holy cow if you touch these sugar leaves or stems! It is absolutely enchantingly addictive. Citrusy incense, hard to describe and with a subtle difference between the two strains.



I can already tell that Orient Express will take a little longer to finish but will probably yield more.
I am wondering whether I should remove some of the small larfy buds down low on the stems in the shade?
Also, what is the best general strategy in fertilizing? Do you guys keep it on the low side just to prevent deficiency, or is it better to max out and stay just below overfeeding? Find the golden middle path?

A fan is needed at all stages,24hrs.Stengthens stem/branches and supplies plant with "fresh breathing air"
Just make sure its doing what it's already doing 24/7

 

[dubi]

Thanks for the frequent updates Common Sense

They are blooming beautiful flowers!

Kali China and Orient Express are both based on the same China Yunnan strain, but both were bred towards quite different directions and personalities, as you can start to apreciate now their flowers are more developed. Orient Express is showing now more sativa influence and will clearly take longer to finish, she also will yield more, so you can feed her abundantly for at least 3-4 weeks more. Kali China is already well advanced after 5 weeks of flowering, with really beautiful colors and resins, you can feed her moderately strong for 10-15 days more, then soft feeding and flushing towards her end.

In order to boost the energy of the plant towards the top, you can usually prune the first-second lower branches of the plant in case those branches are not receiving enough light, neither developing good flowers.

It takes time to understand the art and science of fertilizing, needs lots of observation and takes time to understand your growing media, the water, the fertilizers you are using and to learn the specific requirements of each particular plant, but guess that's one of the things that makes gardening so fascinating

Thanks DNM1.

Temps now range between 18 and 21 °C, humidity 55-60%. I have a fan blowing inside the tent during the day since about 4 weeks, creating very slight leaf movement. Don't know whether this is really necessary, the total air flow through the tent seems to be significant.

The composite smell in the tent is still mainly lion cage, but occasionally I get a very distinct whiff that's definitely mango.
There is not much to describe when sticking a nose near the buds, but holy cow if you touch these sugar leaves or stems! It is absolutely enchantingly addictive. Citrusy incense, hard to describe and with a subtle difference between the two strains.

I can already tell that Orient Express will take a little longer to finish but will probably yield more.
I am wondering whether I should remove some of the small larfy buds down low on the stems in the shade?
Also, what is the best general strategy in fertilizing? Do you guys keep it on the low side just to prevent deficiency, or is it better to max out and stay just below overfeeding? Find the golden middle path?

 

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6 weeks in flower

6 weeks in flower

Hello dubi, dear friends,


thanks for the comments and the suggestions for the feedings and for putting everything in perspective. Greatly appreciated!


Here is my weekly report from my very first grow. 6 weeks of 12/12 lighting schedule have now passed and it is getting interesting.


Some things have happend during the last week.
First I was under the impression at some point this week that Kali China could take a little more feeding. That's when I finally tested her limits and got burned. Within a day, she developed discolorizations and brown spots on some leaves. When looking up pictures, it looked like calcium deficiency to me. Read up that this may be caused by too high EC which in turn may cause calcium uptake lockout, as can too low pH. So I switched to plain water with a higher pH and some calcium and magnesium supplement for three days and this did indeed stop the progress of the leaf browning. I have since taken up very light feeding.


Then, I had to let somebody into the room with the grow tent! I had figured that possibility in but thought this would not happen until the summer. So I had to move the whole tent into the bedroom for a night and a day. My wife took it bravely, even let me keep the fan running at night. All went well. Until the next day.


Came home from a very long work day to find that the light had failed. Don't know when that happened, but luckily I could fix it and that evening we were back in the normal rhythm. So, just a very cloudy day for the plants, I guess.


Now we are back on track and this is the view after 42 days of flowering:



OE












KC

 

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some buds all Kali China

some buds all Kali China

 

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She is getting close already at 6 weeks (?). Maybe another week?

 

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Here are the signs of my mistakes:


Kali China:







One leaf from OE:

 

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Last but not least one of the smaller side buds of Orient Express after 6 week in flower:

 

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Kali China f46

Kali China f46

Lady Kali China is going to be finished soon. Time for some more pics.

 

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Lady Kali China is going to be finished soon. Time for some more pics.

Fantastic Do you have a lens CS? If not need to get one so that you can see how trichomes(the good stuff) are progressing! Most important.They have some time to go yet, you will be come more of aware of it when checking on "crystals"
Good going my friend