Hawaiian Sativas

[BabTaHerbless]

All of these posts are very interesting. When I moved to Oahu in 1979, the weed was split between sativa's and indica's. It all depended on your hook up source.



I also distinctly remember buds from the Puna side that tasted like butter. We called it Puna Butter, and its terpenes would dance on your palate hours after smoking it. It was potent, sweet and I knew the grower I bought it from very well. Because of this, he sold it to me for $110.00 per oz., unmanicured !!! That was a cheap price.

Hi Squidd, seems you got some real first hand info.

I wish you will pardon me if I take the opportunity to ask for more information 'bout that "Puna Butter".

has it any relation to that kinda mythological Hawaiian butterscotch(aka BHaw)?


thank you so much

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

No idea, man.

Really, the Islands are known for slapping all sorts of random names on the same stuff

And just because I was given old seeds to repro doesnt make me claivoyant to every Hawaiian ever made or renamed.

CLASSIC. LOL LOL LOL

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

At 0:38 "Contrary to popular belief, there are no landrace strains from Hawai'i"......

Pua's Version of history

Hemp is different than psychoactive cannabis ,
most pre colonial and colonial , British , Spanish , Portuguese
all used hemp and would plant where ever the could for resources ,

Physchoactive cannabis arrived in early 50's via military mostly , phillipines , Korea , SE Asia

next influx was end of hippie era 68-74ish hazes others ,

80's Green Merchant forced more indica types be grown
quicker lower profile

90's more dutch indoor type genetics , NL's Skunks Durban Poisons Blueberrys widows etc

now its gone buckwild. sunset wedding cake purple shrebert cookies blah blah blah ,

the Best weed is one you like ...


this is not exact but kinda sums up in general give or take few unko stories. lol

I have some of these old Hawaiian salivas but no daddy's. S1's
, so tough to cross them keep there true traits , the ones I do have daddy for not that easy to grow 12 week plus monsters ,

AND NO I WONT GIVE THEM AWAY , DONT INSULT PEOPLE by asking for peoples seeds they have held for MANY years , LOL LOL =)

Dammed if ya do dammed if ya don't

I'm sure this will get nit picked. , who cares

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

I remember that issue of High Times well, because I bought it at my local news stand in Honolulu when it first came out. Now, allow me to share the back ground to the real story about it. Those buds are all fugazi. I use that Sicilian word in reference to their authenticity.

Those are buds grown in Hawaii. Those are not buds grown from all the outer Islands. The so called experts at High Times were conned into believing that they were. Moreover, take a close look at them. They all look immature, and not really anything special at all. That's because the lone individual that grew them had to chop them down early to catch his flight.....

Turns out, I knew the guy that grew it. He went by the name of Abdul, and was the leader of a crew that went by the name of Abdul's Guerilla's. He actually grew ALL those buds in his Kailua back yard, which is on the windward side of Oahu. He took those same buds with him when he went home to NYC for Christmas.

He then moseyed into the High Times office, and made a deal for five thousand dollars to take pics of them for their magazine. He smoked a joint with them, took the buds back, and left with the cash, paying for his entire trip.

I was at a house party in Kailua - on Kalaheo Drive, which we had named the Kalaheo Kookoo Club, with a back yard facing the beach & Rabbit Island - that following January when he showed up and started bragging about it when we were all smoking some doobies.

True story. No bullshit.


RMS

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LOL I was told it was all same thing too Abduls bud , Kaneohe / Kailua , I love this

least HT is consistent 30 years FULL of BS

You know your stuff , pleasant surprise now days

I also learned Molokai from originates from Kauai

 

[englishrick]

Pua's Version of history

Hemp is different than psychoactive cannabis ,
most pre colonial and colonial , British , Spanish , Portuguese
all used hemp and would plant where ever the could for resources ,

Physchoactive cannabis arrived in early 50's via military mostly , phillipines , Korea , SE Asia

next influx was end of hippie era 68-74ish hazes others ,

80's Green Merchant forced more indica types be grown
quicker lower profile

90's more dutch indoor type genetics , NL's Skunks Durban Poisons Blueberrys widows etc

now its gone buckwild. sunset wedding cake purple shrebert cookies blah blah blah ,

the Best weed is one you like ...


this is not exact but kinda sums up in general give or take few unko stories. lol

I have some of these old Hawaiian salivas but no daddy's. S1's
, so tough to cross them keep there true traits , the ones I do have daddy for not that easy to grow 12 week plus monsters ,

AND NO I WONT GIVE THEM AWAY , DONT INSULT PEOPLE by asking for peoples seeds they have held for MANY years , LOL LOL =)

Dammed if ya do dammed if ya don't

I'm sure this will get nit picked. , who cares

It's cool to retain proprietary genetics,, availability and restrictions should always apply,, but how does it function as an asset, unless it becomes a company exclusive?

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Have you grown out any of Pua Mana Ohana seed stock? I am skeptical as the Pure Hawaiian strains they have listed like Maui Wowie and Kuai Electric also Kona Gold are "OUT OF STOCK" Looked like most of the rest of the offerings are current day mainland polyhybrids. If they didn't have those I would be more inclined to believe them to have real heirloom sativa's etc.

I have heard of the blood but not sure if they had it in stock either. Also listed Puna Buddaz which I have Family outside Puna and they tell me that story is a lie.

I stated earlier if anyone knew of Hawaiian landrace not knowing everyone here thinks there aren't any native strains well how about just a Hawaiian Sativa? I smoked Hawaiian Indica SS way back but was not really impressed I believe it is a NL cross. NL growth mostly indica in the offering.

LT

Clueless turd , Quit posting so much , Attention whore , Batu baby Sit back and lean something for a change ,
I have nothing to prove to bottom feeders ...

 

[therevverend]

My real question was how many years has Sinsemilla been grown in Hawaii according to your Ohana?
How many plants did they grow for seeds of each different variety?

I ask because each year a Cannabis Landrace reproduction takes place with less then 2,000 plants, 1,000 females and 1,000 males all open pollinated at one time in one field you will lose genes each reproduction and after a few years the Landrace is just not the same at all anymore. Cannabis is a Heterogenous Dioecoius Obligate Outcrosser, not as easy to keep the same as tomatoes are.

I think you've nailed it, the problem here is that people don't understand what a landrace is. They get it confused with stuff like heirloom open pollinated. It's made worse by how desirable landraces have suddenly become, every breeder wants to claim they have special landrace genetics when their stuff is always something entirely different.

I see Haze advertised as landrace, it's reached the point where any NLD hybrid or heirloom is claimed to be a landrace. As long as it doesn't contain WLD genes it's a landrace. The sell their seeds by telling their customers they're helping preserve precious landrace genes. Which is why people grow 10 plants, cull the males and hermaphrodites, choose one male and female and call it preservation. Not that this is all bad, it's good that people are interested in landraces and rare strains but you can't grow a landrace strain in a closet or basement.

One thing I wonder about is how much selection went on in places like Thailand, India, and Afghanistan. Removal of unfavorable males and choosing seeds from select females. I'd imagine the higher potency 'landraces' would actually be open pollinated heirlooms? Americans began using the term 'sinsemilla' in 1975 I think. The term is Spanish was it used earlier in Mexico or Columbia? Or was it a dealer's invention, used to sell the stuff, because it sounds exotic?

I can't imagine all the hemp grown in Europe and America wasn't selectively bred by the 18th and 19th century? By the end of the 19th century at least there were distinct cultivars being bred for select traits and I'm sure much earlier. Does Thomas Jefferson or some of the other American hemp farmers talk about selective breeding?

I seem to remember sinsemilla getting mentioned in the Indian Hemp report of 1894, do the Indian languages have their own word for seedless cannabis? I should stop now, this is getting way off topic probably deserves it's own thread. A lot of questions..

I'd suspect the British may have tried and failed at hemp growing in the islands in the early 19th century when they were experimenting with hemp farming throughout their trade routes and empire.

I can't find it now but earlier someone mentioned a bust in 1932 involving Filipinos, claiming the cannabis was bird seed. This sounds likely, Filipinos like their cannabis and I'm sure when they arrived on the islands as labor they'd bring cannabis seeds with them. Or recognize cannabis already growing and I don't doubt some of it was used for bird seed, along with blunts most of the Filipinos I've known enjoyed mixing cannabis and tobacco.

I have a Hawaiian friend, his mother's family were cannabis growers. They're of mixed Hawaiian Portuguese descent. His uncles and grandmother, he remembers when he was a small child of 4 or 5 years old. Climbing in their huge NLD plants like jungle gym behind their house. He's in his late 40s now so that would be the early 70s. Not that useful but next time I see him I should ask how long his family had been growing.

 

[SurfdOut]

As far as I can find, the first use of the term pakalolo was in a Hawaiian newspaper(Ka Nonanona) in 1842 and as it loosely translates to "crazy tobacco" we can assume it was being smoked.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day SD

Early dayz there were Mexican cowboys aka paniolo ranching on the big island .Starting in 1836 .
No one thinks they brought some beans with them ?


Then again it could well have been a Spaniard 40 years or more before that ? ;

The first documented presence of a Hispanic in the Hawaiian islands was that of Don Francisco de Paula Marin, a 20-
year-old Spanish sailor. He deserted a Spanish naval ship in the U.S. Northwest, arrived here on the Lady
Washington, and became a resident of Honolulu in 1793 or 1794.

Don Francisco was from Jerez de la Frontera --- an agricultural part of southern Spain. He
was, therefore, very familiar with the medicinal uses of plants and herbs. He got here just as
King Kamehameha I was uniting the individual Hawaiian kingdoms (islands) into one kingdom.

Due to Marin’s extensive knowledge of medicinal uses of plants and herbs, he soon came to
the attention of the king. He became the Kamehameha’s business advisor, bookkeeper,
sometimes physician, and interpreter. Through service to the king and the ali`i(royalty) he soon acquired land and wealth.

Marin loved to collect plants and soon turned his hobby into a "ship supply" business. He provided fresh fruits and
vegetables to the crews of foreign ships that had started arriving at Honolulu Harbor in the late 1700s.

Despite being a skilled businessman, today Marin is best remembered for his green thumb. He was responsible for
introducing many of the food plants we have in the islands: apples, apricots, asparagus, avocados, cabbage,
carrots, chile pepper, eggplant, lemons, limes, macadamia, nectarines, nuts, olives, onion, oranges, parsley, peas,
peaches, pears, potatoes, rice, tea and tobacco.

And Bane 2000 000 told us it was the little birdies ! lol .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[SurfdOut]

Aloha EB, hope you are well!

There were probably multiple introductions by different folks. As my background is in native Hawaiian plants, I know cannabis didn't make it here pre-human contact and wasn't a canoe plant.

I still feel like the Chinese brought in the plant kinda first as they were the first immigrants who came over in 1789. There could have been other single botanist such as your Don Marin that introduced lots of plants. I doubt the missionaries brought recreational cannabis use over. Lol Russians came over around 1804 to set up trading and even went as far as build forts on Kauai in 1815(these guys were probably more sailors and traders than farmers). In 1833 is when the Mexicans came over to start whipping the cattle into shape, but you know I don't think a ton came over, they talk about 3 guys at first(these guys were more cowboys than farmers). In 1852 is the first wave of Chinese laborers of 175 field hands and 20 domestic servants and by 1884 there were over 25,000 in the islands. In 1868 is when the first Japanese laborers came over with the first large group of 666 men came in 1885. Portugese came in 1877 and was followed by the Europeans, Spanish, Koreans and Philipinos.

So you can see that cannabis seemed to be used recreationally in the islands before it was in the paper in 1842 and really only the Chinese and Mexicans were here by then. Didn't the Mexicans kinda start the recreational use in America too?

Anyways, just some random thoughts on a rainy Puna evening. Green Harvest flew the south part of the Big Island today, I can expect them tomorrow....

 

[mexcurandero420]

Think that there is more chance that the Mexicans brought the herb to the island than the Chinese.The use of opium was more common among Chinese than the use of Cannabis.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day SD

Chinese labourers ?
No Indians ? Indentured Indian workers were all across the British Empire after slavery ceased .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[SurfdOut]

Totally possible the Mexican cowboys brought over all thier favorite Chem and Sour cuts. Lol Actually a lot more came over than I thought, 200 initially.

As far as folks from India, never had that many here. Even now we don't get that many tourists from there but seems to be getting more. I just checked a quick census and there is less than 1500 Indians living here now.

Maybe next time I am in Honolulu I will go ask at Bishop Museum. I got some A5 x A5/Thai going, will post some pics when they get bigger.

Aloha

 

[Lolo94]

Aloha EB, hope you are well!

There were probably multiple introductions by different folks. As my background is in native Hawaiian plants, I know cannabis didn't make it here pre-human contact and wasn't a canoe plant.

I still feel like the Chinese brought in the plant kinda first as they were the first immigrants who came over in 1789. There could have been other single botanist such as your Don Marin that introduced lots of plants. I doubt the missionaries brought recreational cannabis use over. Lol Russians came over around 1804 to set up trading and even went as far as build forts on Kauai in 1815(these guys were probably more sailors and traders than farmers). In 1833 is when the Mexicans came over to start whipping the cattle into shape, but you know I don't think a ton came over, they talk about 3 guys at first(these guys were more cowboys than farmers). In 1852 is the first wave of Chinese laborers of 175 field hands and 20 domestic servants and by 1884 there were over 25,000 in the islands. In 1868 is when the first Japanese laborers came over with the first large group of 666 men came in 1885. Portugese came in 1877 and was followed by the Europeans, Spanish, Koreans and Philipinos.

So you can see that cannabis seemed to be used recreationally in the islands before it was in the paper in 1842 and really only the Chinese and Mexicans were here by then. Didn't the Mexicans kinda start the recreational use in America too?

Anyways, just some random thoughts on a rainy Puna evening. Green Harvest flew the south part of the Big Island today, I can expect them tomorrow....

Howzit Surfdout,

Does Green Harvest srill spray in the forest or do they only drop down guys from the choppers to cut the plants. I have several not so fond memories of patches covered with the orange or purplish dye and warching the plants slowly die from the top down after being sprayed. Scariest memory though was being in the forest when they flew over and raided someonelses patch not too far away. Never forget that.

 

[SurfdOut]

Hi Lolo-
Green Harvest is a lot different now than it used to be as the growing tactics are different now. They really don't use the boom to spray anymore as far as I know. The growing is more in residential areas now that everyone has cards and that seems to be where most of the eradication efforts are centered. I know about 10 years ago we were still using it in conservation to spray invasive plants in extremely difficult to get to locations.

I get ya on that feeling ya get when ya hear the chopper turning. The choppers are mostly for pyscological warfare as the satellite technology would be sufficient to do the job nowadays.

 

[Dogtown]

Hi guys,

recently saw a good documentary about the 'Taylor Camp" in Kauai. From min. 29:15 - 32:55 you can see some ganja plants from that time, really impressing. I can recommend to anyone to watch this Documentary.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bzphw

Thanks
Dogtown

 

[kalopatchkid]

Hi guys,

recently saw a good documentary about the 'Taylor Camp" in Kauai. From min. 29:15 - 32:55 you can see some ganja plants from that time, really impressing. I can recommend to anyone to watch this Documentary.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bzphw

Thanks
Dogtown

could that be Supakauai's dad working on the pre-86 OG Kush?

 

[Burro Johnson]

hey guys, just an interested grower looking for more info about growing in hawaii

i had a few questions

I'm noticing that the sunrise and sunset times in hawaii are relatively the same year round and i was wondering do plants grown there ever experience a prolonged veg phase or do they just go right to flower?

also is it possible to grow pure sativas there like oldtimers haze that needs a longer night time period than most other strains or would it remain in veg forever?

I've no experience growing in hawaii but am very interested in the paradise that it is and if i ever moved there i would do my best to preserve nature and the uplifting spirit that is the majority of its people.

Many thanks for your help and have a nice day.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Usually farmers veg indoors then plant outside when ready to initiate flowering.
Most California/Or/WA strains will "autoflower" in Hawaii

Yes, sativas can be grown, but the supsr long flowering ones may need to flower, veg with increasing hours, then flower again to finish up.
This happens several other places in the world.

 

[Burro Johnson]

Thank you for the reply. That is awesome. I will take the appropriate measures to maintain the proper light cycles and do some testing to see which is the best way to grow longer flowering sativas outdoors. I guess that is why you never see pictures of plants in HI as large as you do of plants grown at a more northern latitude. I think like the idea of smaller plants to maintain quality produce so this works just fine for me.

If all goes accordingly i'd like to have some greenhouses with the supplemental lights aswell as a built in light dep system but I also don't want to miss out on the experience of growing outdoors naturally, especially in a tropical paradise where you would imagine these things growing in the wild.

Is there proper month of the year to start long flowering sativa directly from seed outside that would make for the best possible outcome, or is it purely at the discretion of the grower?