Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[trichrider]

meh.
no one can forecast three days accurately let alone twenty years.
solar influence on atmospheric pressure, fluid dynamics, wave properties...


https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.aa.12.090174.002203?journalCode=astro


https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/jcli3612.1


https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/1999JD900445


https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=1SM8DQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=solar+influence+on+atmospheric+pressure,+fluid+dynamics,+wave+properties&ots=H6H07x8aXE&sig=E0zL58pHzaW5zqzqCTiGxFCwO4k#v=onepage&q=solar%20influence%20on%20atmospheric%20pressure%2C%20fluid%20dynamics%2C%20wave%20properties&f=false


https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2001RG000106


https://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/p60-150#.W3ooEcInapo


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/qj.49711147003


https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1971ApJ...168..509B


solar means SUN.
reduction in magnetospheric protection due to reduction in solar output.
radiation shields down...ie: solar wind impacts greater velocity the fluid our atmosphere is.
wave propagation top down distorts stratospheric pressure due to atmospheric gas high in water content is less compressible than drier air.
water vapor retains more energetic influence from plasma and exchanges that energy with drier air creating winds, lightening, and release of water.


ARKStorm



https://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/arkstorm.html


Solar flares, scientists believe, are a disaster waiting to happen. Thus one of the sessions at the American Physical Society's annual meeting was devoted to discussing the hazard of electromagnetic pulses (EMPs) caused by solar flares or terrorist attacks. Such pulses could fry transformers and knock out the electrical grid over much of the nation. Last year the Oak Ridge National Laboratory released a study saying the damage might take years to fix and cost trillions of dollars.

But maybe even that's not the disaster people should be worrying about. Maybe they should worry instead about the ARkStorm. That's the name the U.S. Geological Survey's Multihazards Demonstration Project gave to a hypothetical storm that would essentially turn much of California's Central Valley into a bathtub. It has happened before, in 1861-62, when it rained for 45 straight days. The USGS explains: "The ARkStorm draws heat and moisture from the tropical Pacific, forming a series of Atmospheric Rivers (ARs) that approach the ferocity of hurricanes and then slam into the U.S. West Coast over several weeks." The result, the USGS determined, could be a flood that would cost $725 billion in direct property losses and economic impact.


https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/05/the_century_of_disasters_2.html



atmospheric compression events...


what's to contradict? it happens...Japan flooding, India flooding, snow in different seasons than historically recorded and in different places than normally thought to get snow...ie: Morocco and the Sahara.



ice accumulation on Greenland and Antarctica accelerating, coldest winters in Australia, so called record heat in the north, poles reversing, mankind interfering with natural cycles via geoengineering and HAARP wave interference of boundary conditions of upper atmosphere...


https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2007RG000235


GET SOME! CLUE! oooops. blow on your cup of coffee.


https://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/1425chap4.htm


you won't even begin to read and digest some of the basic physics required to comprehend the influence of wind on a fluid surface...


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/solar-wind-velocity


...and that water is non-compressible and variations in temperature and relative humidity are impacted by variability in the solar output, as waves on the coffee' surface changes the pressure and temperature by compression differential of fluid surface interface...producing waves...changing density of pressure and exchanging energy. an entropic equilibrium attained.

as fun as this is...i'm tired now. you need to read, i need sleep.

 

[GodSaveTheTsar]

lots (LOTS!) of mosquitoes up north. are you sure you really want to do that?

As a lady, I think it'd be a cool trip

...except my good friend also mentioned there are a lot of mosquitos up there. From my time in India, I'll admit mosquitos can be quite the damper (although not a red flag) for a vacation.

 

[armedoldhippy]

As a lady, I think it'd be a cool trip

...except my good friend also mentioned there are a lot of mosquitos up there. From my time in India, I'll admit mosquitos can be quite the damper (although not a red flag) for a vacation.

mosquitoes in the arctic can get so thick that the caribou have run nearly to death trying to escape. i've seen film clips where you could see clouds of the little monsters around people/animals etc. i would LOVE to go up there, but...

 

[igrowone]

trichrider,

you must be inhabiting another planet, or are in some bizarre alternate earth
i mean just go outdoors for a while, if you're in a place that hasn't changed much climate wise, well you are lucky

now to the known world we inhabit, the latest global temperatures

July
July 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Anomalies in degrees Celsius

July 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Percentiles
Climatologically, July marks the middle of the Northern Hemisphere summer and Southern Hemisphere winter.
The July 2018 average temperature across the world's land and ocean surfaces was 0.75°C (1.35°F) above the 20th century average of 15.8°C (60.4°F) and the fourth highest for July since global records began in 1880. Nine of the ten warmest Julys have occurred since 2005, with the last four years (2015–2018) among the four warmest on record. The record warmest July occurred in 2016, with a temperature departure from average of +0.88°C (+1.58°F). The year 1998 is the only year from the 20th century among the ten warmest Julys on record, ranking as the fifth highest on record.
July 2018 was characterized by warmer to much-warmer-than-average temperatures across much of the global land and ocean surfaces. The most notable warm temperature departures from average occurred across the Northern Hemisphere, specifically the western contiguous U.S., eastern Canada, northern Africa, eastern China, and much of Europe and western Asia where temperature departures from average were +2.0°C (+3.6°F) or higher. Some of these locations also had record warm temperatures during July 2018, as well as some areas across the oceans. Cooler to much-cooler-than-average conditions were limited to central and eastern parts of Russia, northern Canada, southern South America and surrounding oceans, and parts of the Atlantic Ocean. However, no land or ocean areas had record cold July temperatures.
The globally-averaged temperature across land surfaces was the fifth highest on record, while the global ocean temperature tied with 2013 as the sixth highest in the 139-year record. According to NCEI's Regional Analysis, five of six continents had a July temperature that ranked among the nine highest since continental records began in 1910, with Europe and Africa having their second warmest July on record. Meanwhile, South America had its coolest July temperature since 2012.
Select national information is highlighted below. Please note that different countries report anomalies with respect to different base periods. The information provided here is based directly upon these data:

• There were several episodes of intense heat waves during July 2018. According to NCEI's Daily Weather Records Tool, as of 31 July 2018 there were 183 (232) stations across the globe that recorded new high maximum (minimum) temperatures for July. There were 69 (96) stations across the globe that set during July 2018 new all-time high maximum (minimum) temperatures.
• Warmer- to much-warmer-than-average temperatures were present across much of Canada; however, some areas in central Canada had near to below-average conditions during July 2018. According to Environment and Climate Change Canada, temperatures were as high as 4.0°C (7.2°F) above average across Ontario. Cornwarll and Kapuskasing in Ontario had their highest July temperatures on record, while other locations had July temperatures that ranked among the four highest on record.
• The contiguous U.S. had its 11th highest July temperature (tying with 1998). Several locations across California, United States set new daily and monthly July temperature records. Of note, downtown Los Angeles set a new warm monthly July minimum (nighttime) temperature when temperatures dropped to only 26.1°C (79.0°F) on July 7, exceeding the previous record set on 30 July 1980 by 0.6°C (1.0°F). On the same day, the Burbank Airport recorded its highest minimum temperature for any month on record at 27.8°C (82.0°F), which is 2.8°C (5.0°F) higher than the previous record July temperature set in 2006 and is only 0.6°C (1.0°F) below the previous all-time record set in 2 September 2017. Also of note, according to NCEI's global records, the monthly average July temperature of 42.2°C (108.0°F) for Death Valley, California was the highest for any station in the world.
• Europe's July 2018 temperature departure from average of +2.33°C (+4.19°F) was the second highest July temperature since continental records began in 1910, trailing behind 2010 by only 0.01°C (0.02°F). July 2018 marks the third time in the 109-year record that the European July temperature departure from average was 2.0°C (3.6°F) or higher.
  • Temperatures were much warmer than average during mid-July across Scandinavia, with several locations in the Arctic Circle recording maximum temperatures 30.0°C (86.0°F) or higher. According to the World Meteorological Organization, Norway set a new national maximum temperature record when temperatures soared to 33.5°C (92.3°F) on 17 July in Badufoss. Similarly, Kevo, Finland had a maximum temperature of 33.4°C (92.1°F) on the same day. Minimum temperatures were also exceptionally warm, with Norway, setting a new warm national minimum temperature when temperatures dropped only to 25.2°C (77.4°F) on 18 July.
  • Norway's July 2018 national temperature was 4.3°C (7.7°F) above average—tying with 2014 as the warmest July since national records began in 1900.
  • Warmer-than-average temperatures engulfed much of Sweden during July 2018, with temperatures 3.0°–5.0°C (5.4°–9.0°F) above average and several locations setting new monthly temperature records. Of interest, the station located in Kvikkjokk observed its highest July maximum temperature at 32.5°C (90.5°F). The previous record for this location was 32.0°C (89.6°F) set on 17 July 1945.
  • Above-average conditions were present across much of Finland during July 2018, giving way to its warmest July since national records began at 19.6°C (67.3°F). The previous record was 19.2°C (66.6°F) set in 1941. According to the Finnish Meteorological Institute, there were 27 hot days (maximum temperature ≥ 25.0°C [77.0°F])—the most number of hot days for July since 2010 which had a total of 30 hot days.
  • The July 2018 temperature of 17.3°C (63.1°F) for the United Kingdom was 2.2°C (4.0°F) above the 1981–2010 average—tying with 1983 as the second highest July temperature since national records began in 1910. The record July temperature was set in 2006. Provisionally, England also had its second highest July temperature departure from average on record at +2.6°C (+4.7°F); Wales had its third highest July on record (+2.0°C / +3.6°F); Scotland had its fourth highest at +1.7°C (+3.1°F); and Northern Ireland had its sixth highest July temperature on record at +1.2°C (+2.2°F).
  • Germany had its fifth warmest July since national records began in 1881. The July 2018 national temperature was 2.2°C (4.0°F) above the 1981–2010 average. Germany's four warmest Julys are 2006, 1994, 1983, and 2010.
  • France had its third warmest July since national records began in 1900 at 2.5°C (4.5°F) above the 1981–2010 average. This value falls behind 2006 (+3.6°C / +6.5°F) and 1983 (+2.6°C / +4.7°F).
  • Austria's July 2018 temperature was 1.3°C (2.3°F) above average and was among the 15 warmest Julys in the nation's 252-year record. Although the average monthly temperature for the month was above average, the month began relatively cool with the lowest temperature for July 2018 being 2.3°C (36.1°F) observed in Zwettl. This was the lowest July temperature since 1984 (1.8°C / 35.2°F). At the end of the month, a heat wave affected Austria. Several locations across Austria had above average number of hot days (maximum temperature ≥ 30.0°C / 86.0°F).
  • Armenia also had temperatures that were 4.0°–7.0°C (7.2°–12.6°F) above average and, in some instances, temperatures were as high as 9.0°C (16.2°F) above average. The village of Areni set a new maximum temperature of 42.6°C (108.7°F) on 12 July.
  • Switzerland had its fifth warmest July since national records began in 1864 at 2.0°C (3.6°F) above the 1981–2010 average.
• South Korea had its second warmest mean and maximum July temperatures on record. According to Korea Meteorological Administration, several locations set new maximum July temperature records when temperatures soared above 35.0°C (95°F). The highest temperature observed during the month was 39.9°C (103.8°F) in Uiseoung.
• A heat wave also affected Japan during mid-to late July. According to the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA), 200 of 927 stations across the nation observed maximum (daytime) temperatures exceeding 35.0°C (95.0°F) on 15 July. Several stations set new records. Of note, the city of Kumagaya in the Saitama Prefecture set a new maximum daily temperature record of 41.1°C (106.0°F) on 23 July.
• On July 5, the city of Ouargla in Algeria recorded a maximum temperature of 51.3°C (124.3°F)—possibly the highest temperature ever on record in Algeria. According to the World Meteorological Organization's Weather and Climate Extremes Archive, Africa's highest maximum temperature of 55.0°C (131.0°F) was set in Kebili, Tunisia in July 1931.
• Morocco also set a new maximum temperature record on 3 July when temperatures soared to 43.4°C (110.1°F).
• Australia observed its fifth highest July mean temperature in the nation's 109-year record at 1.24°C (2.23°F) above the 1961–1990 average. The high mean temperature value across the nation was mainly driven by very warm maximum (daytime) temperatures. The nation's maximum temperature for July 2018 was 2.22°C (4.00°F) above average and the second highest July maximum temperature since records began in 1910. This value falls behind 2017 by 0.41°C (0.74°F). All regions, with the exception of Tasmania, had a July maximum temperature that ranked among the six highest on record. The region with the highest maximum temperature departure from average was Northern Territory at +2.55°C (+4.59°F) and the third highest on record.
• New Zealand also had its fifth highest July temperature on record at 8.9°C (48.0°F) or 1.1°C (2.0°F) above the 1981–2010 average. This value falls behind 1998, 2000, 2005, and 2013. Several locations had record or near-record mean, maximum, and minimum temperatures.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

^^^ No matter what you say, these dudes will say something about 33 degrees and how climate scientists, NASA included, made a fucking math mistake... ON PURPOSE!

 

[Ununionized]

No matter what you say, CALCULATING MATTER-ENERGY RELATIONSHIPS WRONG is THE WRONG ANSWER.

Your church calculates the temperature of the Atmosphere wrong as PROVEN by the fact - they can't match the CORRECT, KNOWN-GOOD Atmospheric temeperature.

And Hansen who founded the scam made those mistakes ON PURPOSE.

That's why, * you * their student, can't even name the law for solvinig the Atmosphere's temperature.

Because they refused to TEACH you that law,

Because refusing to USE it - is how they came up 33 degrees short.

And it's why YOU can't show A.N.Y. B.O.D.Y. A.N.Y.W.H.E.R.E.

A cold light blocking nitrogen/oxygen bath, that warms what it stops 29% of light ever reaching to warm

BEFORE the conduction chilling starts.

Let this be perfectly clear: YOU don't have anything to say for your claims.

ALL your claims have been proven ridiciously false.

You, and your entire cadre of "A cold gas bath is a heater" followers are unable to even show everyone a
SINGLE cold gas bath

reducing input energy to a rock 29%
being a heater like you claim.

It's not the people who've caught you making fake claims who are to be questioned for not knowing what we're talking about.

Are you saying that government employees couldn't be making a mistake on purpose?

Are you saying that all those government employees actually think pot is like heroin? They've shipped out reams and reams of paperwork claiming that,

and have put several MILLION people in JAIL to bolster their claims.

Does that mean pot's like heroin? Of course it doesn't, it's just that some SEVERAL BILLION PEOPLE connected with GOVERNMENT EMPLOY

don't want that CON going away.

The fact we're all here signing in using HTTPS all the time, the fact we're all in danger of going to jail at some point, or USED to be,

till SO MANY FREE CITIZENS BARKED the TRUTH in their FACES they're now ASHAMED of the CLAIMS,

they just still catch you and put you in JAIL when they can, is proof they're not interested in scientific reality.


Their claims have been ROUNDLY proven UTTERLY false. It's not stopped the lying.

It's the same way
with the scam they taught YOU in school.

No, when they taught your grandpa pot is like heroin it wasn't the truth.

When they taught you cold nitrogen baths are heaters, just because they say so,

they're ALSO - not teaching you the truth,

and you can see from trying to defend it how impossible it is.

That's the reason ALL of you are so ashamed when people start asking you, if you really understand what you're saying: that a cold gas nitrogen/oxygen bath

is a heater.

It's not. And it's not ever gonna be, no matter HOW LONG government employees SCREAM that ''pot's like heroin''

No matter HOW long, government employees SCREAM, a cold gas bath is a heater.

Not ONE of you could even tell me the name of the law governing what you're claiming.

How are you going to win an argument with someone when you don't even know what law it is, you're trying to convince the other person, you understand to have turned a cold nitrogen bath into a heater?

"I have a HUGE stack of FRAUD" is NOT scientific proof.


If it were, pot would be like heroin.

TO THIS DAY there is FAR more official literature, claiming pot is a gateway drug, pot is like heroin, all this - than the REAL literature which tells the truth.

Is pot like heroin? Of course it's not, which is why we - or at least many of us, have gone to jail repeatedly while spreading the news that it's not really like heroin.

"I have endless reams of faked claims about pot being a gateway to opioids"

is called "I have reams of FRAUD that pot's like heroin and a gateway to opioids."

No? That's all real because sciencie men with bow ties and their own parkin place at work sed so?

No it's not, and it's not ever going to be no matter how many 16 year olds they shoot in the head, for possession of a joint.


And a cold gas bath's not ever going to be a heater no matter how many times you show up with fake stuff saying it is.

^^^ No matter what you say, these dudes will say something about 33 degrees and how climate scientists, NASA included, made a fucking math mistake... ON PURPOSE!

 

[igrowone]

the current state of the arctic

the current state of the arctic

so what's going on in the arctic?
just another season of lower sea ice
not spectacular on the whole, a new record low appears unlikely
that said, there's always something these days, they are warnings for those who would look
see that blue in the upper north east corner of greenland?
no ice, just water, and that is way up north
a notable event that hasn't likely occurred in many, many thousands of years

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOrflkuVrMw


[youtubeif]jOrflkuVrMw[/youtubeif]


this three weeks past.
same world Igrowone, different perceptions.
i was wearing long sleeves well into July.
we here call June...Juneuary, and July...Julember.

previously i lived in Las Vegas...many years were hotter than presently.



we haven't even hammered on the SRM (solar radiation management)of SAI (stratospheric aerosol injection) aspect of cloud albedo influencing the climate models, & which cloud impact has been left out of the data set...as previously stated.

 

[trichrider]

24. august 2018
A new permafrost gas mysterium

Climate change

Permafrost thaw allows biological activity in previously frozen ground, leading to a potential release of climate-relevant gases. We have heard about carbon dioxide and the potential ’methane bomb’, but what about other gases? A new study from University of Copenhagen shows that soil microorganisms play an important role.


In a new scientific article published in the journal Nature Communications a group of scientists led by University of Copenhagen authors shows that thawing permafrost releases a high amount and diversity of volatile organic compounds (VOCs). These compounds are not greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane. VOCs are known to be released from plants for example to cope with stress and to communicate with other organisms, but less is known about their release from soil. They react fast in the atmosphere and these reactions have several consequences. For example the production of ground level ozone, which is harmful for human health and toxic for forests. Perhaps the most important consequence of these reactions in the Arctic is the production of tiny particles that scatter solar radiation back to space and form clouds. This can have a cooling impact on climate.
Professor Riikka Rinnan from Department of Biology and Center for Permafrost, University of Copenhagen explains, ‘Surprisingly, our new experiments show that VOCs can be released from soil permafrost layers, which often represent organic material stored for decades or longer. Even more surprisingly, VOCs from thawing permafrost may not be released to the atmosphere, as our results show that the annual thaw layers above the permafrost seem to filter the VOCs being released from the permafrost.’


Soil microbes in a crucial role

Using advanced tracing techniques the research team shows, that the VOCs are consumed by microorganisms living in the soil layers. It appears, therefore, that the actual release of VOCs from thawing permafrost is determined by what happens to them on the way from the deeper soil layers to the atmosphere. If the permafrost is exposed to the surface e.g. due to erosion, or if the microbial uptake is hampered for example due to waterlogging, this could be a new, unaccounted Arctic VOC source with potential implications on the regional climate.
The work is a collaboration effort between bio- and geoscientists working together at the Center for Permafrost (CENPERM) at University of Copenhagen and in close collaboration in an international team. The study was supported by the Independent Research Fund Denmark and the European Research Council. CENPERM is funded by the Danish National Research Foundation.


https://www1.bio.ku.dk/nyheder/pressemeddelelser/a-new-permafrost-gas-mysterium/

 

[St. Phatty]

The fires in Sweden are interesting, above the Arctic circle I guess.

Because of the amount of cellulose and methane embedded in the perma-frost, I wonder if part of our future is 1000 square mile permafrost fires.

Once all that plant matter is dry & ignited, it's especially hard to put out if it's underground.

I talked with a professional firefighter (the $2000 a day kind) a few days ago. Told him about my dry creek-bed with the madrone trees buried in them. I always wondered if they could burn. In the summer it's a partially buried log full of holes and sawdust and fuel.

He said, yeah they burn.

 

[trichrider]

Global-Warming Advocates Pressure Media to Silence Skeptics

By Wesley J. Smith August 27, 2018 8:53 PM



A bit ago, I wrote here that it is a huge advocacy mistake for global-warming alarmists to refuse debating their opponents. After all, if global catastrophe is really coming, one should accept any and every opportunity to persuade doubters.
Now, global-warming public intellectuals have warned the media that if they allow skeptics to have a voice in stories, they will boycott giving comment. From the open letter appearing in the Guardian:

Balance implies equal weight. But this then creates a false equivalence between an overwhelming scientific consensus and a lobby, heavily funded by vested interests, that exists simply to sow doubt to serve those interests. Yes, of course scientific consensus should be open to challenge — but with better science, not with spin and nonsense. We urgently need to move the debate on to how we address the causes and effects of dangerous climate change — because that’s where common sense demands our attention and efforts should be.
Fringe voices will protest about “free speech”. No one should prevent them from expressing their views, whether held cynically or misguidedly. However, no one is obliged to provide them with a platform, much less to appear alongside them to give the misleading impression that there is something substantive to debate.
​

This “We are too right to debate” variation is also folly. Pressuring media to only present the alarmists’ side of the case — which already happens much if not most of the time anyway — will not change minds. To the contrary, it will raise the acute suspicion that they are silencing dissenters because their their hypotheses are actually very debatable and they can’t stand the contest.




And it isn’t as if dissenters’ voices won’t be heard anyway. Their views will still be voiced through the Internet, social media, and skeptical publications.

Global warming is not a top political priority for vast numbers of people. This kind of presumption and arrogance won’t increase their urgency. Insularity does not serve the global-warming alarmist side well. Engagement with all comers does.
The “experts” don’t get to decide when “the debate is over.” The people do.


https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/global-warming-alarmists-pressure-media-to-end-debate/
.....................


https://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather-outlook/2019-winter-forecast


Farmers’ Almanac Winter Outlook At A Glance:

• Colder-than-normal conditions are predicted from the Continental Divide east through the Appalachians.
• Above-normal snowfall predicted for Great Lakes, Midwest, New England, Pacific Northwest
• Frigid weather is expected in mid-February, which may also bring blustery and bitter winds, widespread snow showers, especially in zones 1, 2, and 3.
• Winter will hang on with stormy conditions up through the official start of spring, especially for the East Coast.

The Almanac also forecasts an unusually snowy and/or wet winter across the Pacific Northwest, Northeast, and Mid-Atlantic States; in these regions, the thermometer will be hovering just above or just below the freezing mark, which means some of the precipitation may fall as either ice or rain/freezing rain.

Mild winter? Nah. It’s going to be cold, so be prepared!

Above-normal precipitation is also forecast for the Southwest region during December 2018, and for the Southeast in January and February 2019. The rest of the nation will see closer to normal snowfall amounts, although, as the 2019 Farmers’ Almanac suggests, a stormier-than-normal March could push snowfall totals to above normal over the northern and central Rockies and Plains. Good news for skiers and boarders!
Significant snowfalls are also predicted for parts of all 7 of our zones (check out what we’re predicting for your zone here.).


A Late Start to Spring?

Mid-March could be stormy virtually coast to coast, bringing snow, sleet, and/or rain as well as strong and gusty winds to many areas. In particular, we are red-flagging March 20–23 for a potent East Coast storm that could deliver a wide variety of wintry precipitation just as we are making the transition from winter to spring. So, no matter what the groundhog says in February, you’ll know winter isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
(Sounds like last spring, doesn’t it? Speaking of which, find out how the Farmers’ Almanac forecast fared last year.)
Learn more about how the Almanac makes its long-range weather predictions, as well as what’s in store for spring, summer, and fall, check out the 2019 Farmers’ Almanac or sign up for our All-Access Pass online here.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Science deniers are hurting the planet and convincing normal people that the science is wrong? WTF!! They should be fined and jailed if you ask me. Free speech? You can't tell someone it's safe to run in traffic and walk away free and clear.

All I have to do is look out my window. Spring comes earlier, winter is shorter, storms are stronger and droughts are longer. I know.... you'll say my 60 years are only a blip. I say bullshit.

 

[Ununionized]

We did ask you: to be quiet about wishing people in jail for realizing a cold nitroxy bath taking 29% off the top of temperature calculations isn't a heater.

We asked you to explain how you came to believe any cold nitrogen bath can be a heater.

We asked you to name the law of thermodynamics you think turned a cold nitrogen-oxygen bath into a heater. You've demurred.

We asked you: to tell us all of one instance of a cold gas bath in all thermodynamics, raising the temperature of the object it blocked light to, then conduction chilled. Again: you've offered less than zero proof, you haven't even tried.

We asked you to explain where the energy comes from that spontaneously generates the entire 29% the atmosphere actually, REDUCES to the planet, then spontaneously generating the fantasy 33 degrees' heating your fraud clearly can't produce or show.

We, I have asked you to show us all the chart you found where CO2 has a higher average energy than atmospheric air,

when the SOLE chart for such information on the planet, the ''Chart of Specific Heats of Gases - it has a sub-chart R, which assigns
CO2 AND AIR
ENERGY CONSTANTS for USE in the EQUATION of the Law, part I -

PV =nRT.

Don't come here and wish me in jail by the same people who are also telling the planet that pot is like heroin.

Don't insult other members for not believing like you do. Where do you go, that you expect to shout you wish the other members jailed,

when all the members are here out of fear of being jailed for a global chemistry scam by the same people who sold you, this one?

Doesn't your utter lack of proof even bother you?

Doesn't the fact you've been caught telling people you think a cold nitrogen/oxygen bath is heating something when the actual bath is many degrees colder and the first step in calculation of Earth temp,
is to REDUCE Earth TEMP 29% because of the PRESENCE of the ATMOSPHERE and the GHGs which actually, remove MOST of that 29%?

Do you think starting insulting tirades where you want other members jailed due to your belief a cold bath is a heater,
would be respected if you wanted us jailed for any other reason?

You're insulting people who brought you legal pot, after many of us were jailed from one to many times arguing with the government about the scam.

Your continued insults and tirades against the other members are completely unwarranted.

You need to quit and start acting like who you are: just another member who signed an agreement not to insult people you don't know, about things you've been invited multiple times to talk about and refuse to offer proof for.

Do you have ANY PROOF your claims are true you want to present?

It's been WEEKS since I told you I am a scientist, and I expect to see proofs of scientific claims.

No?

As far as your claim the weather's different, it's always differen on planet Earth in these warm Optimums, and in fact it hasn't changed
one
single
whit,

since the French first calculated and published the information that today is used as the global regulatory and calibration standard for Atmospheric values, the International and later the American,

Standard Atmsopheres.

These values figured out by the French in 1864 were weighed and measured against all through the early flight years of WWI and found accurate.

Adopted worldwide by the 1950s the International Standard Atmosphere was used after MILLIONS of flight hours GLOBALLY comparing instruments to the International Standard Atmosphere.

In the 1970s the Americans RE-ADOPTED those VERY values and extended them UPWARD a couple hundred thousand more feet as an aid to ORBITAL FLIGHT which was growing, globally.

Any claim to the overall climate actually changing is demonstrably and patently false, or else every single school on the planet from

SCUBA schools - I already reminded you of this VERY fact AT LENGTH: why haven't you got any SCIENCE to produce showing,

that EVERY scuba, welding, air conditioning, flight, aerospace technologies class on this PLANET

has agreed that the values calculated by the French in 1864 and published later that year,

leading to the International Standard Atmosphere scrupulously checked against in all the flight instrumentation of WW1, WW2

leading to the American Standard Atmosphere - where is your information

that ONE school on earth has revised it's teachings

and the KNOWN accurate Temperature, Volume, Density, Humidity etc

has been UPDATED because the climate has changed - I might have hung a paragraph or question above, so -

DO you HAVE INFORMATION from an AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE that the CALIBRATION and REGULATORY STANDARDS used GLOBALLY

have been UPDATED by the SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS INSTITUTES,

which assign such values their legally binding calibration and regulartory values?

When YOU STILL DON'T, it MEANS YOU'RE LYING about the CLIMATE changing.

I know about that because I graduated from High School a year early by flooding my teachers with Atmospheric and Environmental Chemistry papers because I planned to go to work for NASA.

Which is why I later got a degree in Radiant Transfer based Electronic Communications Engineering - that is, majoring in Atmospheric chemistry and energy values.

So it's not like, maybe I haven't thought about it and maybe I don't know if we actually know what the real temperature of our atmosphere is, we do,

and your belief system causes you to not be able to even get to the right temperature for plane Earth's global atmosphere.

You fall 33 degrees short because your church doesn't use the Gas law to solve for the temperature of the planet.

If they did you'd know their claim CO2 warms Air is blatant falsehood, because on THE chart

for resolving THOSE two gases'
and gas mixes' for Air's temperatures

the chart CLEARLY assigns CO2 LOWER ''R'' or Energy Constant

than Air.

You've been repeatedly challenged by me to even NAME that law.

To write the equation of it, PV = nRT.

You can't. I gave you a long lecture about how temperature is inseparably connected from pressure in any real gas matter-energy assessment and you remained utterly silent having NO scientific commentary to make WHAT EVER.

So who ever you're calling science denier, the pot's like heroin people tried the same name calling too, and I plowed through them the way I said I would.

I told my dad the Federal L.E.O. that I'd smoke a joint pissin' on his grave. Before his death he told me he'd donated his body to science to be dissected by students because nobody was gonna piss on his grave.

Well, I still smoked one pondering on who was right about pot being like heroin. I don't buckle and run because people who don't know what they're talking about start screaching they hate me for no other reason than the government told them I'm the devil.

I could care less and am showing everybody how little science you actually understand, about anything related to this.

Didn't you click "I accept" to get in here? Didn't it tell you don't come in and start screaching hate speech at other members who don't believe the way you do?

Do you think you're just not obligated to obey that because you said so? Or because - WHO said so?

You need to respect the agreement to be courteous and act sane.

Because you're not winning any scientific argument - you haven't PRESENTED any scientific arguments.

'Evurbodie kin see the wethurs awl crazie' isn't science, it's bombast.

Science is when you show me the worldwide organization keeping the international regulatory and calibration standard for Atmsopheric temperature, volume, pressure, humidity, all this,
that DEFINES climate - when you show me that changed because
millions of hours of flight time was showing jet liners and spacecraft, military travel around the world being OFF, because global atmospheric values stopped reflecting previous calibration Standard values - then you've shown us and me - some science.

I'm not bluffing you, I don't have anything to bluff about, my bona fides scientifically are demonstrated correct every time a plane takes off and flies properly, and every time a state legalizes pot and opioid overdoses drop.

You're just not here to pretend you're from some super special group of people to me, the D.E.A. took me on and that all started when there were no states with legal pot and now half of them have it and I've been swinging for the fences every time I could think of something for 30 years.

Even in the years when I was a police electronic communications and security networks engineer I was marking the day when as an Anonymous citizen I could watch Goliath take a few shots from the kid - me.

Goliath took those shots and went do one knee then both knees and remains there today and he's abou to surrender after 80 years of his science darkening maggotry, and I guarantee you, I'm vested in seeing that giant fall. It was a point I decided to make,
when they started telling me pot was like heroin,
and I knew better because I'd seen people dying of terminal diseases on opioids.

So - here you come with another government story about how a magical gaissiness dun turned a cold nitrogen bath into a heater.

While your handlers show you them actually COOLING the planet 29% with their own HANDS,

then NOT calculating the temperature of the planet and coming up 33 degrees short. What happens when one goes ahead and includes that mandatory 33 degree compression related component of global atmosphere?

Your fraud starts matching the actual known-good temperature of the planet.

Again I ALREADY HELPED UNSEAT ONE HUGE CHEMISTRY FRAUD from the VERY same PEOPLE who SOLD YOU this one.

It's fraud and it's why you don't have any scientific discussion to contribute regarding the atmosphere.

Science deniers are hurting the planet and convincing normal people that the science is wrong? WTF!! They should be fined and jailed if you ask me. Free speech? You can't tell someone it's safe to run in traffic and walk away free and clear.

All I have to do is look out my window. Spring comes earlier, winter is shorter, storms are stronger and droughts are longer. I know.... you'll say my 60 years are only a blip. I say bullshit.

 

[Ununionized]

"Chart of Specific Heats and Gas Constants of Gases"


https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-gases-d_159.html


Show the members you're screaming that you want to see jailed for denying your claims,

the CHART of LAW you have that CONTRADICTS the Chart of the real Law,

naming C02 by NAME and assigning it LOWER Energy Constant, than Air.

 

[hubcap]

time to start buying property around Joshua Tree in anticipation of it soon being oceanfront real estate.



-cap

 

[Ununionized]

Good you're almost 60, or you ARE 60, I'm 57 and started managing the atmospheric chemistry of oceanic fish tanks for rare and endangered ocean species for money,
in my parents' labs,

when I was 7.

So - I've been studying atmospheric chemistry at the professional level for - 50 years,
starting when I was 7,

and you've been studying it however long.

It ought not take you but just a JIFFY to show us all that CHART you've GOT

Assigning CO2 a HIGHER "R" or Average Energy per Mole - a higher Energy Constant,

than Air.

The REAL Chart NAMES them BOTH.

And assigns CO2 the LOWER value for calculations.

When you get ready to present some science I'm gonna know, one of my several intellectual hobbies throughout my life has been environmental chemistry and environmental sciences, so - I know what you better be showing me and the first thing

is you need to show me someone from your teachings, calculating the temperature of the planet and arriving at the real, known-good temperature of it.

Not 33 degrees short.

Being wrong, in ALL mass-energy equations, is TERMINAL error. Everything built upon it must definitionally be in error at some point.

Your handlers' claims the cold nitrogen oxygen atmosphere warming the planet are as ludicrous as claiming pot has a devilish grassiness to it so we all have to get on opioids so some people don't get off opioids and onto pot, which could make them get onto opioids.
So again, we all have to get on opioids to "avoid that."

I've heard all the loon barking, I've endured the incessant hatred and hate speech from the people whose fakery I was busting out and I'm not deflected by it in the least,

I learned my medicine from studying neuromuscular terminal diseases, something suffered by my brother and from the study of the chemistry of every class of plant and animal ever discovered by mankind up until I left that field in about 1975, through 77.

So I knew exactly where those people were telling me pot was like heroin, I'd checked by working actively in some complex medicine, medicine for terminally ill neuromuscular disease sufferers.

And I know exactly where you're just doing nothing more than lying and screaming you hate me for knowing you're wrong. I'm not a science denier, I have a Bachelor's of Science degree.

It's one of the OTHER ways I know how to check you're story.

Don't insult me and call me names and not expect for me to ask you for your proof that I'm the devil like you're screeching I am, because I most DEFINITELY

am one of the people who will tell any human being to their face or not, that a cold bath isn't a heater, never was, never will be, and - that it's WHY you don't have ANY proof,
one IS.

You can't even show us a group of people who all are typing in their industrial hobby or professional forums about how everyone knows, cold nitrogen baths are heaters.

You Tycho have provided ZERO scientific content in all the time I've been pointing out how you're presenting none.

You go off, recharge your emotional hatred content and come back in here to see how much you can get away with spewing. I take exception to it and not only am I right, -

I told you how and why I purport to know I'm right, and how I know you'll no ever provide a shred of proof you're right.

Do you HAVE any SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to JUSTIFY your HATE filled NAME calling of other members?

Me, for example.

No? You haven't EVER shown any.

Till you DO
you are only engaging in pure political hate
for the thrill of seeing if you can intimidate other members,

My father the I.R.S. enforcement agent didn't intimidate me,

and neither do you. So you need to show your proof or stop insulting me and others who can show how fraudulent what you say is.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Unless it's telecom or computer science, I leave the science to scientists. Do you have a degree in atmospheric chemistry? Just wondering.

BTW, you have a typo in "parents' labs". It spelled "Basements".

 

[Ununionized]

This isn't about typos, it's about your utter lack of credibility before me, and everyone else here.

You've been busted telling people you think a cold gas atmospheric bath is a heater and now you're too indoctrinated a zombie to even hear yourself.

Your utter lack of scientific training isn't validated by insulting the other members you apparently joined to insult.

You need to face the fact that refusing to study science has brought you here,

screeching insults at strangers who DID study the very sciences you're unable to coherently discuss basic laws regarding.

They don't just give Electronic Engineering Telecommunications degrees away as you and I both learned: me when I earned mine and got that sheepskin, and you when you didn't.

NONE of it justifies your malice and insults to other members you clicked "I agree" to respect
and that INCLUDES showing proof when you make some sort of claim of an extreme nature -

cold gas baths being heaters being of about as extreme a nature as one can get. Y
ou're here with your internet reading about the class of study referred to as the sewers of science.

I'm one of the men who's busted those frauds out repeatedly for the past ten years.

Even this post is nothing but another REASONED response

to brains-less, obviously,

malicious hate.

Do you have a degree in Telecommunications Electronic Engineering from ANYWHERE?

Have you EVER studied environmental and atmospheric chemistry at the professional level?

That leaves YOU in the educational BASEMENT,

and ME still the trained professional grade atmospheric,
general environmental and biological professional chemist.
From the age of 7 to about 16 as my brother got worse and worse.

It wasn't me in the basements of education,
my parents actually started those breeding labs to give my brother and I educations
when the teachers couldn't read basic scientific words.

Are you going to continue the mindless insults to people whose degrees you envy? It's not going to do you any good because you have been REPEATEDLY TOLD STOP SIMPLY REPLACING EVIDENCE
with more rage-driven, name calling and INVECTIVE,

and to GROW UP.

Unless it's telecom or computer science, I leave the science to scientists. Do you have a degree in atmospheric chemistry? Just wondering.

BTW, you have a typo in "parents' labs". It spelled "Basements".

 

[Ununionized]

And there's a TYPO where you TRIED to spell the phrase, ''it's spelled.''

It isn't, ''it spelled."

 

[trichrider]

On the morning of August 24th, the Akademik Ioffe — the vessel carrying the participants of the National Science Foundation funded Northwest Passage Project being conducted by the University of Rhode Island — became grounded in the western Gulf of Boothia in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. The ship has since been re-floated, and following a full and successful systems check the vessel has repositioned to anchor. We are happy to report that all passengers, including all Northwest Passage Project participants, are safe and are being well cared for. We will provide updates as we resolve the situation. Then the Canadian Coast Guard service had this to say: Good morning, Due to heavier than normal ice concentrations in the Canadian arctic waters north of 70 degrees, the Canadian Coast Guard, recommends that pleasure craft do not navigate in the Beaufort Sea, Barrow, Peel Sound, Franklin Strait and Prince Regent. CCG icebreakers cannot safely escort pleasure craft. Operators of pleasure craft considering a northwest passage should also consider the risk of having to winter in a safe haven in the Arctic, or in the case of an emergency, be evacuated from beset vessels. Safety of mariners is our primary concern. REGARDS, NORDREG CANADA 181256UTC\LR


meh.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/08/27/another-ship-of-fools-gets-stuck-in-arctic-ice-needs-rescue/

From August 23 to Sept. 13, the University of Rhode Island’s Inner Space Center (ISC), with major funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation and additional support from the Heising-Simons Foundation, will conduct the innovative Northwest Passage Project research expedition with a team of natural and social scientists, students, and a professional film crew. This ground-breaking opportunity is also supported by One Ocean Expeditions as a key marine partner, having operated in Arctic waters for over 20 years.

Research to aid understanding of / document climate change effects

Then predictably, this happened:

On the morning of August 24th, the Akademik Ioffe — the vessel carrying the participants of the National Science Foundation funded Northwest Passage Project being conducted by the University of Rhode Island — became grounded in the western Gulf of Boothia in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. The ship has since been re-floated, and following a full and successful systems check the vessel has repositioned to anchor. We are happy to report that all passengers, including all Northwest Passage Project participants, are safe and are being well cared for. We will provide updates as we resolve the situation.

Then the Canadian Coast Guard had this to say:

Good morning, Due to heavier than normal ice concentrations in the Canadian arctic waters north of 70 degrees, the Canadian Coast Guard, recommends that pleasure craft do not navigate in the Beaufort Sea, Barrow, Peel Sound, Franklin Strait and Prince Regent. CCG icebreakers cannot safely escort pleasure craft. Operators of pleasure craft considering a northwest passage should also consider the risk of having to winter in a safe haven in the Arctic, or in the case of an emergency, be evacuated from beset vessels. Safety of mariners is our primary concern.

That ice was not meant to be there according to the models. They should look at empirical trends rather models that spew forth false predictions time and time again. But they won't learn and this will happen again.