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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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I was looking at some wiki pages on sea ice which led me to these links to current images of the arctic. Thought some of you might be interested in them.
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/
https://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/
https://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
Premature to conclude human activities have a detectable impact on hurricanes--
Premature to conclude human activities have a detectable impact on hurricanes--
From NOAA https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
I guess the science is settled...right?
You know, it must be real frustrating to see record number of polar bears, observe no acceleration of sea level, and then have NOAA say the first two hurricanes to make landfall on US Mainland in 12 years are NOT a result from "human activity". Oh boy, what to do? I guess the next step is to jail all "deniers" (get rid of the opposition).
Premature to conclude human activities have a detectable impact on hurricanes--
From NOAA https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
I guess the science is settled...right?
You know, it must be real frustrating to see record number of polar bears, observe no acceleration of sea level, and then have NOAA say the first two hurricanes to make landfall on US Mainland in 12 years are NOT a result from "human activity". Oh boy, what to do? I guess the next step is to jail all "deniers" (get rid of the opposition).
Galveston 1900 is a sad story. The city was built on the barrier strip along the Texas coast, basically on top of an island sandbar. There was no weather prediction then, no satellites to warn of the incoming storm. By the time that most people realized the magnitude of what was happening, the causeways connecting the city to the mainland were washed out and the population was trapped. When the skies cleared, Galveston was an immense mass of broken planks and timbers packed full of corpses.
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I looked at some of the links (one China link doesn't work). But as is usually the case in these situations, they refer to cloud seeding, which is a well known practice with a long documented history. Nothing to see here.
I was hoping that the China references would refer to China using laser pulses into clouds to vaporize water droplets and prevent rainfall. I was told that they did this during the Olympics. But cloud seeding? Nothing new here.
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Thanks for pointing out the broken link. I've removed it from my post.
I think they're using cloud seeding to make rain.
I think they're using cloud seeding to make rain.
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Denial is an interesting phenomenon only present in civilized people as far as i know. Sadly the deniers will still deny even if they choke on the poisons they claim dont poison or drown in the floods they claim dont exist....at least nobody told them what to think... except their masters...and they were more powerful and held onto their opinion till the end.... so they won in the end.... they are real winners..
Denial is an interesting phenomenon only present in civilized people as far as i know. Sadly the deniers will still deny even if they choke on the poisons they claim dont poison or drown in the floods they claim dont exist....at least nobody told them what to think... except their masters...and they were more powerful and held onto their opinion till the end.... so they won in the end.... they are real winners..
Canada now investigates 'climate denial'
By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun First posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 05:27 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 05:36 PM EDT
It’s like something out of George Orwell’s 1984.
Canada’s Competition Bureau, an arm’s length agency funded by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government to the tune of almost $50 million annually, investigated three organizations accused of denying mainstream climate science for over a year, following a complaint from an environmental group.
The bureau discontinued its 14-month probe in June, citing “available evidence, the assessment of the facts in this case, and to ensure the effective allocation of limited resources”, according to Josephine A.L. Palumbo, Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Deceptive Marketing Practices Directorate.
But it will re-open its investigation should it receive relevant new information from the public.
The complaint was filed by Ecojustice on behalf of six “prominent” Canadians, including former Ontario NDP leader and UN ambassador Stephen Lewis.
It accused three groups, Friends of Science, the International Climate Science Coalition, and the Heartland Institute of making false and misleading claims about climate change, including that the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide, and that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
When it launched its complaint in December, 2015, Ecojustice told the National Observer it would press the Commissioner of Competition to refer the matter to the Attorney-General of Canada for “criminal charges against the denier groups”.
In response to the Competition Bureau discontinuing its probe, Calgary-based Friends of Science said on its blog that: “The Competition Bureau is a very important enforcement agency. We regret that any of their time had to be wasted on this matter. We are not a commercial entity, we do not have federal lobbyists, we are not tax-subsidized as environmental charities are, we do not represent any industry. We only present the professional insights and expertise of our core team and represent the views of our individual members (not corporations). The typical process for Competition Bureau inquiries is confidential; Ecojustice appeared to use this call for inquiry to grandstand.”
In May, 2015, Advertising Standards Canada, a voluntary industry group that does not enforce its decisions other than through public suasion ruled, following 96 public complaints, that two Friends of Science billboards in Montreal stating: “The Sun is the Main Driver of Climate Change. Not You. Not CO2” contained, “categorical and unequivocal claims ... (that) could not be supported by the preponderance of current evidence on the matters in dispute ... (and) omitted relevant information, namely that a number of factors have led to climate change, of which the sun is just one.”
As someone who has written extensively on climate change for a decade, my view is that all of this is madness. We are entering into dangerous territory, a fundamental attack on free speech.
If we’re going to use agencies of the federal government to investigate and even prosecute “climate deniers”, for making “false and misleading claims” then let’s damn well do the same for “climate alarmists”, who do the same thing all the time.
I read and hear politicians making “false and misleading claims” about climate change almost daily, particularly with regard to what federal and provincial carbon pricing schemes will actually accomplish, as opposed to what our governments are claiming they will accomplish.
But the way to decide these issues is through public debate, not running to an agency of the federal government to shut up people we disagree with, particularly a government that itself makes false and misleading claims about man-made climate change all the time.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/13/canada-now-investigates-climate-denial
By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun First posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 05:27 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 05:36 PM EDT
It’s like something out of George Orwell’s 1984.
Canada’s Competition Bureau, an arm’s length agency funded by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government to the tune of almost $50 million annually, investigated three organizations accused of denying mainstream climate science for over a year, following a complaint from an environmental group.
The bureau discontinued its 14-month probe in June, citing “available evidence, the assessment of the facts in this case, and to ensure the effective allocation of limited resources”, according to Josephine A.L. Palumbo, Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Deceptive Marketing Practices Directorate.
But it will re-open its investigation should it receive relevant new information from the public.
The complaint was filed by Ecojustice on behalf of six “prominent” Canadians, including former Ontario NDP leader and UN ambassador Stephen Lewis.
It accused three groups, Friends of Science, the International Climate Science Coalition, and the Heartland Institute of making false and misleading claims about climate change, including that the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide, and that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
When it launched its complaint in December, 2015, Ecojustice told the National Observer it would press the Commissioner of Competition to refer the matter to the Attorney-General of Canada for “criminal charges against the denier groups”.
In response to the Competition Bureau discontinuing its probe, Calgary-based Friends of Science said on its blog that: “The Competition Bureau is a very important enforcement agency. We regret that any of their time had to be wasted on this matter. We are not a commercial entity, we do not have federal lobbyists, we are not tax-subsidized as environmental charities are, we do not represent any industry. We only present the professional insights and expertise of our core team and represent the views of our individual members (not corporations). The typical process for Competition Bureau inquiries is confidential; Ecojustice appeared to use this call for inquiry to grandstand.”
In May, 2015, Advertising Standards Canada, a voluntary industry group that does not enforce its decisions other than through public suasion ruled, following 96 public complaints, that two Friends of Science billboards in Montreal stating: “The Sun is the Main Driver of Climate Change. Not You. Not CO2” contained, “categorical and unequivocal claims ... (that) could not be supported by the preponderance of current evidence on the matters in dispute ... (and) omitted relevant information, namely that a number of factors have led to climate change, of which the sun is just one.”
As someone who has written extensively on climate change for a decade, my view is that all of this is madness. We are entering into dangerous territory, a fundamental attack on free speech.
If we’re going to use agencies of the federal government to investigate and even prosecute “climate deniers”, for making “false and misleading claims” then let’s damn well do the same for “climate alarmists”, who do the same thing all the time.
I read and hear politicians making “false and misleading claims” about climate change almost daily, particularly with regard to what federal and provincial carbon pricing schemes will actually accomplish, as opposed to what our governments are claiming they will accomplish.
But the way to decide these issues is through public debate, not running to an agency of the federal government to shut up people we disagree with, particularly a government that itself makes false and misleading claims about man-made climate change all the time.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/13/canada-now-investigates-climate-denial
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seasonal update
seasonal update
autumn has arrived, and so the melting season has come to its end in the arctic
i present with a few comments, conciseness can be a good thing
another year of below average ice coverage, but not close to a record minimum
every year is getting to be a below average year, but not dramatic in and of itself
greenland has been mentioned and that it may have added ice this year
that's probably good, but it's the first year in quite a while to add ice
so i've included the greenland melting chart, it may have added ice but were dramatic changes during the melt
seasonal update
autumn has arrived, and so the melting season has come to its end in the arctic
i present with a few comments, conciseness can be a good thing
another year of below average ice coverage, but not close to a record minimum
every year is getting to be a below average year, but not dramatic in and of itself
greenland has been mentioned and that it may have added ice this year
that's probably good, but it's the first year in quite a while to add ice
so i've included the greenland melting chart, it may have added ice but were dramatic changes during the melt
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