Three Berries
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How many windmills does it take to replace a 24/7 2GW nuke plant?
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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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How many windmills does it take to replace a 24/7 2GW nuke plant?
St. Phatty
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You have begun to identify the Scam.
thing is if your baseline is large enough the wind is always blowing and the sun is always shining
you just need an improved grid
tidal power too is becoming a more attractive option, and geothermal and so on
that said, burning some fossil fuel is ok
just needs to be reduced not eliminated
Three Berries
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Numbers we need numbers not your pie in the sky dreams..... They are forcing the change without any viable solitons. let's make it voluntary then you can go without.
WSJ Prints Blistering Editorial Ripping Gore/Kerry for Bullying World Bank With Insane Climate Demands
The Wall Street Journal is known as a sober, somewhat-staid publication originally meant for finance types to pore over stock market news and goings on in “the Street.” More recently, it has become an alternative for thinking people who are sick of the screeching from The New York Times and The Washington Post but who’d still like an establishment take from a national news publication.
It’s somewhat surprising, therefore, to read a blistering op-ed by their Editorial Board, but on Sunday evening that’s exactly what they delivered. They take climate fanatics Al Gore and John Kerry to the proverbial woodshed over their bullying of the World Bank.
President Biden should work for the removal of the head of the World Bank, former Vice President Al Gore said on Tuesday, calling him a “climate denier” at an event coinciding with the United Nations General Assembly. https://t.co/cOLas9IsQa
— New York Times World (@nytimesworld) September 20, 2022
In response to Gore/Kerry’s pressure tactics, the centrists at the paper made a great point:
When Al Gore, John Kerry and the New York Times gang up on someone, you know a political hit is on. That’s what happened last week to World Bank President David Malpass, for the sin of not turning the international lending institution into an arm of Democratic Party policy on climate change.
St. Phatty
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Per the U.S. Wind Turbine Database, the mean capacity of wind turbines that achieved commercial operations in 2020 is 2.75 megawatts (MW).
about 727 windmills.
2 Gigawatts is a HUGE nuclear plant.
Chernobyl output 1.5 Gigawatts electricity max.
Since wind is a direct result of Sunlight, it's basically
Fusion (93 million miles away) ==> wind ==> electricity.
So you admit that the sun drives the climate.
Three Berries
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Whatever wind and solar are they need 100% backup somehow. To say they provide power for 10% shows you do not understand how power is generated and distributed. Just gross numbers means nothing when it's 95F out and no wind. And they are a detriment to the existing base load because they have to be inefficiently throttled to accept the solar and wind as there is no way to control the output.
Electricity is not a direct energy source or fuel so to say. Please do your part and give up fossil fuel derived goods TODAY! Show the world just one person can make a difference. Or you could try setting your arms on fire.....
Protester sets himself on fire in middle of Laver Cup match
Play in Friday’s Laver Cup match between Stefanos Tsitsipas and Diego Schwartzman was interrupted as a protester went on the court and set himself on fire.
nypost.com
Destabilisation of the Subpolar North Atlantic prior to the Little Ice Age - Nature Communications
Bivalves reveal that the subpolar North Atlantic destabilised and shows signs of having crossed a tipping point during the transition into the Little Ice Age.
www.nature.com
Destabilisation of the Subpolar North Atlantic prior to the Little Ice Age
....no SUVs or petroleum burning prior to the LIA.funny shit thinking 'we' change climate.
study some astrophysics and thermodynamics and then answer why 'our' influence causes such dramatic changes in earth systems before spouting such nonsense.
and No, renewables will not replace petroleum...ever.
your post is funny for reasons you don't understandWhatever wind and solar are they need 100% backup somehow. To say they provide power for 10% shows you do not understand how power is generated and distributed. Just gross numbers means nothing when it's 95F out and no wind. And they are a detriment to the existing base load because they have to be inefficiently throttled to accept the solar and wind as there is no way to control the output.
Electricity is not a direct energy source or fuel so to say. Please do your part and give up fossil fuel derived goods TODAY! Show the world just one person can make a difference. Or you could try setting your arms on fire.....
Protester sets himself on fire in middle of Laver Cup match
Play in Friday’s Laver Cup match between Stefanos Tsitsipas and Diego Schwartzman was interrupted as a protester went on the court and set himself on fire.
sounds like angry old man influences though I suspect I am quite a bit older
just for the record I'm not anti nuke by any means though I would much prefer other tech than the old light water reactors
Three Berries
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Glad to have given you a chuckle. I'm surrounded by windfarms. Although they are all at least 15 miles away. And have 7 nukes in 150 miles. Just watching the shenanigans they went through to get the last windfarm in was a laugh.
Take away their subsidies and watch them all stop building them. Just another taxpayer scam.
Haven't you heard of battery storage? Solar and wind farms don't just use up all the energy they create the instant they created it, some of it gets stored in deep cell batteries such as the Tesla Mega Pack for large scale renewable energy sources like solar and wind farms or the Tesla Powerwall for small scale renewable energy typically found in homes and small business. These solutions are designed so that renewable energy can be captured when the sun and wind is available and then gradually released when it isn't available.
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You do know that the Op in Op-ed stands for opinion right? And therefore it is not actual fact.Numbers we need numbers not your pie in the sky dreams..... They are forcing the change without any viable solitons. let's make it voluntary then you can go without.
WSJ Prints Blistering Editorial Ripping Gore/Kerry for Bullying World Bank With Insane Climate Demands
The Wall Street Journal is known as a sober, somewhat-staid publication originally meant for finance types to pore over stock market news and goings on in “the Street.” More recently, it has become an alternative for thinking people who are sick of the screeching from The New York Times and The Washington Post but who’d still like an establishment take from a national news publication.
It’s somewhat surprising, therefore, to read a blistering op-ed by their Editorial Board, but on Sunday evening that’s exactly what they delivered. They take climate fanatics Al Gore and John Kerry to the proverbial woodshed over their bullying of the World Bank.
President Biden should work for the removal of the head of the World Bank, former Vice President Al Gore said on Tuesday, calling him a “climate denier” at an event coinciding with the United Nations General Assembly. https://t.co/cOLas9IsQa
— New York Times World (@nytimesworld) September 20, 2022
In response to Gore/Kerry’s pressure tactics, the centrists at the paper made a great point:
When Al Gore, John Kerry and the New York Times gang up on someone, you know a political hit is on. That’s what happened last week to World Bank President David Malpass, for the sin of not turning the international lending institution into an arm of Democratic Party policy on climate change.
Three Berries
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LOL only what you approve right?
No not at all, I'm just pointing out it can't be just taken as fact, at best it's reason for further investigation just because some guy at WSJ feels Al Gore, John Kerry and the NY Times gang up on people to execute political hit jobs doesn't make it so, it's just that one person's opinion. Now if what he wrote some how proved Al Gore, John Kerry and the NY Times actually worked together to engage in a political hit then that would be something worthy of an actual news story rather then an Op-ed.
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Three Berries
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So what about the barrier reef expanding? No shortage of polar bears. Almost no hurricane activity in the Atlantic this year.
And what about that weather modification that we do?
And what about that weather modification that we do?
isn't it usually snowing there by October, in a "normal" year? is there still such a thing as a "normal year" now?
somewhat shamefully I have to admit I don't know about the snow
sounds right to me, but events are perhaps moving faster now
I'll start with the last first, given what we've witnessed so far from man's impact on the weather I would say weather modification is a bad thing even if done for good reasons, like increasing rainfall in an area that doesn't get enough rain. Weather is an expression of the force of nature and in my opinion it is too powerful and insufficiently understood for mankind to be playing around with. What we are witnessing in terms of Climate Change demonstrates that the weather is a global thing rather then a bunch of isolated incidents and it all operates on a delicate balance that when disrupted can have significant unforeseen consequences.
News of the Great Barrier Reef expanding to me is just that, news. This is the first time I've heard anyone say that is happening. Which is pretty surprising given that the Great Barrier Reef is considered one of the natural wonders of the world. When it was first being reported that it was dying that was big news being reported world wide and you would have to be living under a rock to have not heard it. The same would be true of it expanding, that's big news and it should be hard to miss hearing reports of it. I do not live under a rock so it's surprising to me I've not heard of it expanding yet. I just did a search on it and what I found does confirm that it has been expanding but it's still a long ways from being restored to it's former glory. There are a couple of possible explanations for this although no story I found gave any speculation on why it has rebounded the past couple of years. One possible explanation is the impact the earth experienced during mankind's response to the pandemic most notably the lock downs. The reduction to air and subsequently water pollution from everyone staying at home and not driving had significant impacts around the world. Skies almost constantly filled with smog cleared up, waters that were murky with pollution cleared up and in places like Venice there were reports that not only did the waters clear up by sea life was seen returning to those waters, so potentially the barrier reef expanding could be a result of that which if true would be evidence in favor of cutting global CO2 emissions. Another possibility is that in the past couple of years there were a number of volcanic eruptions not terribly far from that region of the world. Volcanos are known among other things for spewing massive amounts of ash into the atmosphere and that ash can cause an effect of shielding large areas effected by the ash from the sun penetrating, something much like nuclear winter. Depending on how much ash is put into the air it can cause a cooling effect either globally in cases of extremely large amounts of ash (usually the result of super volcanos). In smaller episodes where less ash is put up in the air the cooling effect can be more localized and what area is effected depends more on the direction winds carry it. Given that the big eruptions were not terribly far from Australia it's possible the Great Barrier Reef experienced a cooling effect. Since the main thing killing the coral was higher then normal water temperatures it's possible the volcanic activity played a role? That would require more research to determine though. If it proves to be the case though that again would be evidence in favor of doing what we can to reduce the carbon footprint since it would seem that small changes lowering the temperatures even a little bit can give life enough to start bouncing back. Finally it could just be a result of the adaptability and resilience of life. During the planet's history there have been many mass extinction events but always some life has managed to survive and flourish again once the event causing the extinction passed. The reporting I saw when I did a quick search says that the expansion only happened in some areas though and only returned to about 33%-36% of normal, while good news and better then getting worse it in no way means we can just say, "Oh okay, false alarm, go back to business as usual". Instead of looking at it as a sign that there is nothing to worry about we should look at it as a reprieve giving us a little breathing room to work on meaningful permanent change.
As far as hurricane Activity in the Atlantic, first off the hurricane season isn't over yet, we just had a serious hurricane hit Puerto Rico and then swing up the Atlantic and pound Bermuda and continued on and do substantial damage to Eastern Canada. At the same time we are bracing for another hurricane to develop in the Gulf with some forecasts saying it could become a Cat 5 by the time it makes landfall in the US depending on how it tracks. Hurricane Sandy that devastated New York and New Jersey in 2012 didn't hit until the end of October so we still got quite a bit of time for this year's hurricane activity to increase. That being said just because we get a year with lower then normal activity doesn't mean the crisis is over. Climate Change is just that weather patterns change from their normal behavior causing the climates of the areas they effect to change. If one year that means we get colder then normal weather or less named storms then normal it doesn't mean Global Warming or Climate Change isn't happening it just means it's becoming less predictable. Less predictable = more dangerous because it's harder to prepare when you don't know what's coming until it happens. During the past several decades that we've been tracking Global Warming and Climate Change there have been individual years that were less severe or better then others but the overall average when looking at decades has still shown a steady trend towards worsening.
Polar bears have been hanging in there but just like the Great Barrier Reef or fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic it's only an improvement relative to recent years and not a complete reversal of the problems they face. Just like those other things might be improving due to recent changes caused by the pandemic or volcanic activity the same could prove true for the polar bears. While the polar bears are doing better this year they are not out of the danger of extinction just yet.
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