Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[Frosty Nuggets]

CO2 makes up a tiny fraction of a % of the atmosphere, how can it make more than a tiny fraction of a % difference to the temperature? Is it free energy or something?

 

[igrowone]

CO2 is an excellent insulator with respect to infrared radiation
and it's a combinational thing, increase the temperature a bit and you get a bit more humidity
and water vapor becomes part of the warming process
how will it end? we're seeing the movie every day

 

[Petrochemical]

I saw and some comments here somebody that was growing that commented and said I think there's a hole in the ozone here so we get a little bit more you be than most folks any truth to that is there a hole in our atmosphere?

 

[igrowone]

a good balmy evening to all, been a warm summer up my way
which is the thread theme, warmer you know
now it's time to take a gander at the poles and greenland
been a pretty average melt up at the arctic
outlook is no extreme melt out this year, but you never know
now the antarctic, that's bit different, record lows pretty much all year
but the big kahona for this year looks like greenland
it was really a average melt, then in the last few days - wow!
feast you eyes on the ice images, don't know how long we'll have it

 

[armedoldhippy]

the joke USED to be "i could sell refrigerators to Eskimos..." will the new one be "i sold a lawnmower & weedeater to an Eskimo..." ?

 

[igrowone]

good evening good friends
and so another melt season at the arctic has finished
or nearly so, close enough for government work
anyhow the result is another well below average ice cover at melt's end
no record, kind of average by current standards
but both ice passages open, northern route and the northwest
that is becoming very average
now greenland is another story, crazy melt in september
but that's a story for tomorrow

 

[igrowone]

and so it is time to wrap up the 2022 melt season
by far the star of the show is greenland's september melt
kind of off the charts with that melt spike in early september
then it persisted with more off the chart melting
in short, we're all fucked

 

[St. Phatty]

and so it is time to wrap up the 2022 melt season
by far the star of the show is greenland's september melt
kind of off the charts with that melt spike in early september
then it persisted with more off the chart melting
in short, we're all fucked

It would be helpful if there was a chart, like the US debt clock, that shows the total volume of sea water in the oceans.

Besides the slowly melting ice caps, the human need for Combustion also creates a Boatload of water every year - which is never returned to the ground. From the combustion of Hydrocarbons.

That's one advantage of Coal - burning coal does not create water or contribute to sea level rise. (it only puts extra Mercury in the atmosphere.)

Does burning Hydrocarbons put extra mercury in the atmosphere ? How does it compare to coal in the regard.

 

[igrowone]

interesting thoughts St Phatty
no question oil does put out water vapor when burned
but I got to think volume wise it would be insignificant to the existing hydrosphere
still, I don't have hard cold facts on that
not sure of the mercury risk either
although oil burning in our cars has 1 significant emission increase
platinum group elements from all the catalytic converters
it is not clear as of yet if these PGEs pose a health hazard`

 

[Three Berries]

Water goes round and round. Water Vapor is the biggest Green House gas. Maybe we should find a way to destroy it for good!!!!!! It is also the best heat capacity compound found in nature. It takes a tremendous amount of energy for the phase changes it goes though. vapor >liquid>solid and back and forth. The amount of energy in one thunderstorm pales in comparison to what mankind can make.

We are in much bigger danger of another Ice Age with the Solar Minimum says the 'Science'.

but a lot of people are invested 100% in Climate Change for some reason. The goals are to reduce the human foot print. And as far as going fossil fuel free, look around and everything you touch is somehow connected to fossil fuels.

What will you use for paint, plastic, pharmaceuticals, fertilize? And every ship in the world runs off diesel.

 

[igrowone]

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What will you use for paint, plastic, pharmaceuticals, fertilize? And every ship in the world runs off diesel.

no question, it's going to be rough

 

[Hammerhead]

Ice sheet loss data from 2002. ..

Ice Sheets | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

Time-lapse video for sea ice, sea levels, Co2, and global temps.
https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/climate-time-machine

 

[HempKat]

Water goes round and round. Water Vapor is the biggest Green House gas. Maybe we should find a way to destroy it for good!!!!!! It is also the best heat capacity compound found in nature. It takes a tremendous amount of energy for the phase changes it goes though. vapor >liquid>solid and back and forth. The amount of energy in one thunderstorm pales in comparison to what mankind can make.

We are in much bigger danger of another Ice Age with the Solar Minimum says the 'Science'.

but a lot of people are invested 100% in Climate Change for some reason. The goals are to reduce the human foot print. And as far as going fossil fuel free, look around and everything you touch is somehow connected to fossil fuels.

What will you use for paint, plastic, pharmaceuticals, fertilize? And every ship in the world runs off diesel.

Well the goal in reducing the human foot print isn't entirely about reducing climate change, there are many other ill effects from what we put into the atmosphere beyond trapping the heat reflected back from the sun hitting the earth. Many people get so caught up in the debate on climate change they forget completely about the negative effects of air pollution.

As for what to use for paint? I guess the same natural ingredients that were used before the use of petroleum was ever discovered. What to use for plastic? How about all the plastic that already exists in the world? Perhaps instead of plastic we need to explore other options such as metal, glass or things that have only recently been discovered? What to use for pharmaceuticals? Well most of the most reliable, time tested pharmaceuticals come from nature and only 3% of pharmaceuticals use petrochemicals. What to use for fertilizers? How about organics? Ships can be made to run off of other things such as nuclear. Sure changing the human foot print isn't going to be easy and convenient if it was we would have done so a long time ago. It's still not a good reason to justify ignoring the problems we now face with Climate Change. Who knows, if we really start making a serious effort at it we might even discover newer, better solutions to those inconveniences? Necessity is the mother of invention they say. Just look at all the discoveries that were made in conquering space travel.

 

[Three Berries]

no question, it's going to be rough

Might be a good idea to have a new infrastructure up and running before throwing out the fuel that allowed us to advance civilization more than anything else in history.

The truth is there is no plant to mass replace fossil fuels to thin the heard. The EU will be a dramatic example this winter. Especially if they ramp up the weather modifications so it's extremely colder than normal.

 

[igrowone]

generally you don't replace the infrastructure in 1 step
it gets replaced at a certain rate, and that is happening to some extent
large scale wind and solar is happening, solar farms getting pretty widespread up in my part of the north
say you want it slower, I'd like it faster
compromises are struck

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

Lead was used for paint before fossil fuels, should we go back to using that?

 

[HempKat]

generally you don't replace the infrastructure in 1 step
it gets replaced at a certain rate, and that is happening to some extent
large scale wind and solar is happening, solar farms getting pretty widespread up in my part of the north
say you want it slower, I'd like it faster
compromises are struck

There also working on compact modular nuclear power that's much safer then traditional nuclear plants and there are a number of other options in the pipeline. The problem is that being the issues we are facing are not just man made but also part of nature it's not like we can shut it all down to wait for a new solution to be developed and put in place to make it all convenient. We kind of lost that luxury when big business and government ignored the warnings that protestors of my generation were making back in the 70's. We also lost a potential of 4 years of progress when the Orange President decide to pull us out of the Paris Climate Accords.

 

[HempKat]

Lead was used for paint before fossil fuels, should we go back to using that?

Don't be ridiculous. Organic paints can be made from all sorts of natural substances including but not limited to; water, milk casein, natural latex, plants and plant oils, resins, plant dyes and even essential oils.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Lead was used for paint before fossil fuels, should we go back to using that?

we could...if children would not eat paint chips, and adults would stop sanding/scraping it and putting dust in the air where we could breath it. so, no. not for practical purposes. expecting people to not do stupid shit is a losing gamble.

 

[Three Berries]

generally you don't replace the infrastructure in 1 step
it gets replaced at a certain rate, and that is happening to some extent
large scale wind and solar is happening, solar farms getting pretty widespread up in my part of the north
say you want it slower, I'd like it faster
compromises are struck

What are you going to use for power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing? And no way will electric farming take over too. Diesel fuel runs the world.