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trichrider

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Record Cold Saturday May 9th, 2020 - National Weather Service

www.weather.gov › ctp › RecordColdMay92020
May 9, 2020 - May 9th, 2020 was one of the coldest May days in recorded history as numerous sites set records for coldest low and high temperatures.

Polar vortex blast sets scores of records, scatters rare May ...

www.washingtonpost.com › weather › 2020/05/09 › pola...
May 9, 2020 - It's one of the most prolific late-season cold outbreaks on record. ... Several locations also registered their lowest May temperatures ever recorded and coldest weather this late ... Ryan Breton (@RyanBretonWX) May 9, 2020 ...

Stinging Cold Smashes May Records in the Midwest, East and ...

weather.com › forecast › regional › news › 2020-05-07-...
May 12, 2020 - A chilly weather pattern for May set more cold temperature records in ... 2020, leading to record cold and some late-season snow for some.


:yoinks: this doesn't seem like no record cold temps in May.
do you not find this a bit odd that NOAA would make such an easily debunked statement as fact?

on another note:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/world/europe/norway-landslide.html
Landslide in Norway Sweeps 8 Buildings Into the Sea
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https://cimsec.org/developing-security-in-a-white-water-world-preparing-for-the-arctic/44183
Developing Security in a White Water World: Preparing for the Arctic
June 10, 2020

Conclusion
The Arctic is changing physically and the security dimensions of the region are changing along with it. The region will not be ice-free overnight, and the United States is not without partners in addressing those changing strategic considerations. It behooves the United States to not pursue a hardline balancing arrangement against Russian militarization and instead pursue what it has been doing for some time, preparing for the potential of Arctic operations across all service branches. The pursuit of this policy perspective will signal American commitments to regional security without exacerbating the militarization of the Arctic into a full blown arms race, enabling an emerging littoral to be sufficiently addressed without intensifying competition within one of the most peaceful and cooperative regions of the world.

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1G12

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Ice Melt Linked to Accelerated Regional Freshwater Depletion

Ice Melt Linked to Accelerated Regional Freshwater Depletion

Jet Propulsion Laboratory
California Institute of Technology


Seven of the regions that dominate global ice mass losses are melting at an accelerated rate, a new study shows, and the quickened melt rate is depleting freshwater resources that millions of people depend on.

The impact of melting ice in Greenland and Antarctica on the world's oceans is well documented. But the largest contributors to sea level rise in the 20th century were melting ice caps and glaciers located in seven other regions: Alaska, the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, the Southern Andes, High Mountain Asia, the Russian Arctic, Iceland and the Norwegian archipelago Svalbard. The five Arctic regions accounted for the greatest share of ice loss.

And this ice melt is accelerating, potentially affecting not just coastlines but agriculture and drinking water supplies in communities around the world, according to the study by scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory; the University of California, Irvine; and the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. The study was led by Enrico Ciraci, a UCI graduate student researcher in Earth system science.

"In the Andes Mountains in South America and in High Mountain Asia, glacier melt is a major source of drinking water and irrigation for several hundred million people," said study coauthor Isabella Velicogna, a senior scientist at JPL and professor of Earth system science at UCI. "Stress on this resource could have far-reaching effects on economic activity and political stability."

The researchers based their work on data from the recently decommissioned U.S.-German Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) pair of satellites that operated from 2002 to 2017, and their successor pair, GRACE Follow On (launched in 2018). The researchers calculated that, on average, these seven regions lost more than 280 billion tons of ice per year.
 

1G12

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2020 Expected to Be Warmest Year on Record

2020 Expected to Be Warmest Year on Record

If temperature readings from last month are any indication, it’s indeed becoming increasingly likely that 2020 will be the hottest year globally since records have been kept, which date back to the late 1800s.

The global average temperature last month was 60.3 degrees Fahrenheit, matching 2016 for the hottest May in 141 years of record keeping, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

In continuing with the recent trend, the world’s five warmest years on record have all occurred since 2015.

The registered temperature was 1.7 degrees higher than the 20th-century average for the planet. Moreover, the temperature on land set a heat record, while ocean temperatures came in second all-time.

“We continue to warm on the long term and in any given month we’re likely to be knocking on the door, close to a record in the era that we’re in,” NOAA climate monitoring chief Deke Arndt told The Associated Press.

Large regions of Africa, Asia, western Europe, South and Central America experienced record warmth. One of the few places that was cooler than average in May was much of Canada and the eastern United States, according to NOAA.

That, however, is doing little to slow down the rise of 2020’s overall temperatures.

Both NASA and Berkeley Earth have 2020 ranked as the second warmest on record, a notch below 2016. That year witnessed the Super El Niño, in which the tropical Pacific Ocean releases large amounts of heat into the atmosphere, boosting the chances of future record-breaking warm years.

Moreover, scientists pointed out that we are currently at the bottom of the 11-year solar minimum, when the incoming energy from the sun is reduced.

Scientists have been particularly interested in a large region of Russia, with intense warmth focused in Siberia. The unusual warmth in that region might be igniting what scientists have dubbed “zombie” fires, which occur from blazes that burn deep into the soil the previous year and continue to smolder underneath the snow in winter.
 

1G12

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Scientists Alarmed About Siberia's Record Breaking Winter and Spring Temperatures

Scientists Alarmed About Siberia's Record Breaking Winter and Spring Temperatures

Scientists say that Siberia’s unusually warm weather through winter and spring is “an alarming sign” — illustrating some of the most notable effects of global climate change as the world warms. In May, surface temperatures “were up to 10 degrees Celsius above average in parts of Siberia,” according to research by a climate agency affiliated with the European Commission.

“It is undoubtedly an alarming sign, but not only May was unusually warm in this region,” says Freja Vamborg, Senior Scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Service in a statement on Wednesday. “The whole of winter and spring had repeated periods of higher-than-average surface air temperatures.”

The program reported just days earlier that May 2020 was “globally the warmest May on record,” with the most “above-average temperatures (…) recorded over parts of Siberia.” Marina Makarova, the chief meteorologist at Russia’s Rosgidromet weather service said, “This winter was the hottest in Siberia since records began 130 years ago” and that “average temperatures were up to 6 degrees Celsius higher than the seasonal norms,” The Guardian reported.

Vamborg points out that while the entire world is getting warmer, some regions — like Western Siberia — stand out for just how much hotter the area is getting. It’s not unheard of for regions to experience “large temperature anomalies” like this, she notes. “However, what is unusual in this case is how long the warmer-than-average anomalies have persisted for,” Vamborg says.
 

kickarse

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Might be time for these again, tell how they know what the global temps were in 1880
not many weather stations around then, did they have a guess ?

its only supposed to have warmed 1c over 140 years, what is the margin of error ?
about .9 I reckon lol



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kickarse

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The great thing about science is the fact that even if you don't believe it, it's still true.

No its all theory, not that there is much science involved on the man made warming side :biggrin:

Facts are Facts tho, its a fact that there wasn't many temperature recording stations around from 1880 - 1950 for them to claim anything accurately

Seems to be getting colder all around the world, except for a few spots

The IPCC has got nothing right in 40 years :beat-dead
 

1G12

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Arctic records its hottest temperature ever

Arctic records its hottest temperature ever

Jeff Berardelli, CBS News•June 20, 2020

Alarming heat scorched Siberia on Saturday as the small town of Verkhoyansk (67.5°N latitude) reached 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit, 32 degrees above the normal high temperature. If verified, this is likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in Siberia and also the hottest temperature ever recorded north of the Arctic Circle, which begins at 66.5°N.

The town is 3,000 miles east of Moscow and further north than even Fairbanks, Alaska. On Friday, the city of Caribou, Maine, tied an all-time record at 96 degrees Fahrenheit and was once again well into the 90s on Saturday. To put this into perspective, the city of Miami, Florida, has only reached 100 degrees one time since the city began keeping temperature records in 1896.

Likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in the Arctic happened today-100.4 F- What's happening in Siberia this year is nothing short of remarkable. The kind of weather we expect by 2100, 80 years early. For perspective Miami has only reached 100 degrees once on record. https://t.co/WDPRmLRD4d

— Jeff Berardelli (@WeatherProf) June 20, 2020

Verkhoyansk is typically one of the coldest spots on Earth. This past November, the area reached nearly 60 degrees Fahrenheit below zero, one of the first spots to drop that low in the winter of 2019-2020. The scene below is certainly more characteristic of eastern Siberia.

Reaching 100 degrees in or near the Arctic is almost unheard of. Although the reading is questionable, back in 1915 the town of Prospect Creek, Alaska, not quite as far north as Verkhoyansk, is reported to have reached near 100 degrees. And in 2010 a town a few miles south of the Arctic circle in Russia reached 100.

As a result of the hot-dry conditions right now, numerous fires rage nearby, and smoke is visible for thousands of miles on Satellite images.
 

St. Phatty

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Jeff Berardelli, CBS News•June 20, 2020

Alarming heat scorched Siberia on Saturday as the small town of Verkhoyansk (67.5°N latitude) reached 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit, 32 degrees above the normal high temperature. If verified, this is likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in Siberia and also the hottest temperature ever recorded north of the Arctic Circle, which begins at 66.5°N.

As a result of the hot-dry conditions right now, numerous fires rage nearby, and smoke is visible for thousands of miles on Satellite images.


sounds punishing.

people used to make fun of Siberia for being COLD.

the smoke would be the worst.
 

kickarse

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since the IPCC was founded in 1988, 40 years would not be possible

It seems like 40 years lol

I'll fix it

The IPCC has got nothing right in 32 years
and will most likely get nothing right for the next 32 years

Anyone got any proof that Co2 causes global warming ? :D
what % of the Co2 in the atmosphere is "man made" ?
 

TychoMonolyth

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It seems like 40 years lol

I'll fix it.
The IPCC has got nothing right in 32 years
and will most likely get nothing right for the next 32 years

Anyone got any proof that Co2 causes global warming ? :D
what % of the Co2 in the atmosphere is "man made" ?

Ask every reputable scientist for proof. They've got lots for you.

No. But do you mean pre or post covid?
 

MoeFunk

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It's science 101. CO2 is a greenhouse gas and 100% causes global warming, as do all greenhouse gases. Even the skeptics that have 2 brain cells to knock together concede to this. Only the truly stupid deny it. This is what they are talking about when they say 97% of scientists agree.

Where the disagreement lies is in whether or not the warming caused will have the catastrophic world ending consequences that the alarmists try to fear monger all of us into believing.
 

trichrider

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It's science 101. CO2 is a greenhouse gas and 100% causes global warming, as do all greenhouse gases. Even the skeptics that have 2 brain cells to knock together concede to this. Only the truly stupid deny it. This is what they are talking about when they say 97% of scientists agree.

Where the disagreement lies is in whether or not the warming caused will have the catastrophic world ending consequences that the alarmists try to fear monger all of us into believing.


i halfway agree...not with the second paragraph but with the first.
yes since it is a constituent of the atmosphere that we call 'greenhouse gases', it is 100% responsible for warming.
but that doesn't quite make it "The Cause" since CO2 is but a minor contributor, while water vapor is the major gas at 95% and CO2 is 0.04% or so.

i agree totally with the second paragraph tho'.

you can glean some perspective of my rationale by watching this ten minute video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GmJqvXNIDk[YOUTUBEIF]4GmJqvXNIDk[/YOUTUBEIF]


Opportunity of a Lifetime | President of the AGU
21,019 views
•Jun 22, 2020
:shucks:
 

kickarse

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I see people still believe that 97% of scientists are believers
It just goes to show people will believe most anything they are told

What's the margin of error over 140 years of hardly any temp records ?

What % of Co2 in the atmosphere is man made ?
or if ya don't like that one, what % of Co2 has "man" put into the atmosphere ?
 

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Jeff Berardelli, CBS News•June 20, 2020

Alarming heat scorched Siberia on Saturday as the small town of Verkhoyansk (67.5°N latitude) reached 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit, 32 degrees above the normal high temperature. If verified, this is likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in Siberia and also the hottest temperature ever recorded north of the Arctic Circle, which begins at 66.5°N.

The town is 3,000 miles east of Moscow and further north than even Fairbanks, Alaska. On Friday, the city of Caribou, Maine, tied an all-time record at 96 degrees Fahrenheit and was once again well into the 90s on Saturday. To put this into perspective, the city of Miami, Florida, has only reached 100 degrees one time since the city began keeping temperature records in 1896.

Likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in the Arctic happened today-100.4 F- What's happening in Siberia this year is nothing short of remarkable. The kind of weather we expect by 2100, 80 years early. For perspective Miami has only reached 100 degrees once on record. https://t.co/WDPRmLRD4d

— Jeff Berardelli (@WeatherProf) June 20, 2020

Verkhoyansk is typically one of the coldest spots on Earth. This past November, the area reached nearly 60 degrees Fahrenheit below zero, one of the first spots to drop that low in the winter of 2019-2020. The scene below is certainly more characteristic of eastern Siberia.

Reaching 100 degrees in or near the Arctic is almost unheard of. Although the reading is questionable, back in 1915 the town of Prospect Creek, Alaska, not quite as far north as Verkhoyansk, is reported to have reached near 100 degrees. And in 2010 a town a few miles south of the Arctic circle in Russia reached 100.

As a result of the hot-dry conditions right now, numerous fires rage nearby, and smoke is visible for thousands of miles on Satellite images.
Does not sound real positive. As I read the previous post I was wondering if the concept is to hope the guy that took the temp was mistaken ?
 

kickarse

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Jeff Berardelli, CBS News•June 20, 2020

Alarming heat scorched Siberia on Saturday as the small town of Verkhoyansk (67.5°N latitude) reached 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit, 32 degrees above the normal high temperature. If verified, this is likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in Siberia and also the hottest temperature ever recorded north of the Arctic Circle, which begins at 66.5°N.

The town is 3,000 miles east of Moscow and further north than even Fairbanks, Alaska. On Friday, the city of Caribou, Maine, tied an all-time record at 96 degrees Fahrenheit and was once again well into the 90s on Saturday. To put this into perspective, the city of Miami, Florida, has only reached 100 degrees one time since the city began keeping temperature records in 1896.

Likely the hottest temperature ever recorded in the Arctic happened today-100.4 F- What's happening in Siberia this year is nothing short of remarkable. The kind of weather we expect by 2100, 80 years early. For perspective Miami has only reached 100 degrees once on record. https://t.co/WDPRmLRD4d

— Jeff Berardelli (@WeatherProf) June 20, 2020

Verkhoyansk is typically one of the coldest spots on Earth. This past November, the area reached nearly 60 degrees Fahrenheit below zero, one of the first spots to drop that low in the winter of 2019-2020. The scene below is certainly more characteristic of eastern Siberia.

Reaching 100 degrees in or near the Arctic is almost unheard of. Although the reading is questionable, back in 1915 the town of Prospect Creek, Alaska, not quite as far north as Verkhoyansk, is reported to have reached near 100 degrees. And in 2010 a town a few miles south of the Arctic circle in Russia reached 100.

As a result of the hot-dry conditions right now, numerous fires rage nearby, and smoke is visible for thousands of miles on Satellite images.

That's just the weather, not the climate
It is summer after all, ya got to expect a warm day occasionally

We had the coldest ever summer day in recorded OZ in Dec last year
If its bloody hot somewhere, you can guarantee its bloody cold somewhere else

How would anyone know what the temps have done there in the past
not many weather stations around in the old days, or now

looks like they are still tying to kick start the dead horse
got to scare them little kiddies with tales of doom and gloom

When all they really want is ya $$$ and to control of your life

:beat-dead
 
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hard rain

That's just the weather, not the climate
It is summer after all, ya got to expect a warm day occasionally

We had the coldest ever summer day in recorded OZ in Dec last year
If its bloody hot somewhere, you can guarantee its bloody cold somewhere else

How would anyone know what the temps have done there in the past
not many weather stations around in the old days, or now

looks like they are still tying to kick start the dead horse
got to scare them little kiddies with tales of doom and gloom

When all they really want is ya $$$ and to control of your life


:beat-dead
That last argument always cracks me up when people talk of climate change. It's as if you don't realise that big polluting industries like oil don't have a vested interest in downplaying man's involvement in global warming, yet somehow those 97%of pesky climate scientist are after your money. Lol.
 

kickarse

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That last argument always cracks me up when people talk of climate change. It's as if you don't realise that big polluting industries like oil don't have a vested interest in downplaying man's involvement in global warming, yet somehow those 97%of pesky climate scientist are after your money. Lol.

97 % of "man made global warming" believers, believe the 97 % bullshit

Of cause its all about the $$$, it was 5.2 trillion in renewable energy subsidy's globally in 2017, add that up for the years before and since then, some tnuc is making a killing, and we all pay for it

Its not about the weather/climate that's for sure
The big OIL companies will become BIG power companies soon enough, some already are, its easy $$$

https://reneweconomy.com.au/global-...2-trillion-and-29-billion-in-australia-91592/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-be-world-s-top-power-producer-and-make-money
 

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