Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[TychoMonolyth]

What is a scientist? Typically someone with a PHD. A doctoral degree is called a thesis or dissertation. By the time you write your dissertation, you are usually the world's foremost expert on your topic and entails research with answers of which often open new avenues of more questions.

I wouldn't consider someone with a passion a scientist without the education to back it up. But you don't need to be educated in a certain field to be considered a scientist. For example, I work with a mathematician who has a paper at the Sorbonne in Paris on Number Theory, but he's a data scientist. Many fields of study qualify you as a scientist in another field.

I wouldn't call a shoe salesman with a lifelong passion for Buddhism a dr. of philosophy.

 

[coconutcurry]

What is the qualification to be a scientist? - is it just a matter of believing in science? - or do you have to be teaching or preaching it?

If its believing in it - or some of it - then just like a Buddhist believing in Buddha - do you become a scientist by believing in science? - if so - then everyone must be a scientist -

Science got absolutely nothing to do with believes. The believer will tell you earth is flat and the scientist will tell you earth is round. And the scientist is right.

And the whole discussion about the scientists is what it is: trolling, throwing smoke grenades. Now all are busy with the reputation of those scientists and what is a scientist, what education they have etc. and not with climate change. This is how trolling works.

And - excuse me - it is absolutely nonsense to assume, 11.000 scientist out of 153 countries are all faked or corrupt, swayed and brainwashed.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Most second graders already know enough about science to see the benifit in caring for your environment. Its not until the word economy becomes involved that people want to pretend whatever it is that makes them feel good about themselves.

 

[kickarse]

Ok how many of the 11000 are actual "climate scientists"

from what I've seen, not that many,

not trolling, just going by the weather
it seems to be getting colder, not warmer, we average about 20 c this time of year
the next few days are 11 c, 10 c, 9 c, and 14 c, pissing with rain, been 10 years since it was "hot"
why the fuck would/should I believe in global warming ?

The Australian list includes, a naturopath, a hypnotist, an industrial designer, a commercial business analyst, and a psychologist

what would them flogs know about the climate?

some of you lot ,need to pull your heads out of your collective arses
there is only 11 years to go (apparently)

 

[kickarse]

https://electroverse.net/the-top-cl...mK0uc5rP70Amo7vVI4nuTAEYeNjCBxo38GoqPuLHCRVno

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Blow that bullshit alternative fact link out your ass. And quit spreading junk news from the daily mail and the national Enquirer.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-data-manipulation-at-noaa/

... in interviews with the Associated Press and E&E, an online energy and environmental news outlet, Bates said he had not accused his colleagues of data manipulation.

Bates told the AP on Feb. 6 that there was “no data tampering, no data changing, nothing malicious” involved with his colleagues’ study. “It’s not trumped up data in any way shape or form,” he said

 

[kickarse]

ARSE is spelt A R S E by the way

FFS How did they measure the global temp in 1880 to know that it has warmed up about 1c, because according the them ALL the old records are flawed, so how the fuck would they know if its warmed or not ?

Is there ANY real proof that we are warming up dramatically at a unprecedented rate ?

nah, all there is is adjusted/massaged/ temp records to suit the bullshit.


its one big CON job, we built a 6 billion $ desalination plant here, was 8-10 years ago,
the "believers" said it would hardly ever rain again, it took them a extra couple of years and a few more billion $ that was quoted to finish it, because it rained for 3 years when the drought broke,
cost us 1 billion $ a year, to NOT produce any water, except for a few small orders to save face.


its ALL bullshit, even blind freddy could see that

 

[TychoMonolyth]

That a wasn't a typo.

Tell me, how come they know the temperature of the dark side of the moon? How do they know what what the climate was during the Jurassic and Triassic period was.

Paleoclimatologists look for clues in Earth’s natural environmental records. Clues about the past climate are buried in sediments at the bottom of the oceans, locked away in coral reefs, frozen in glaciers and ice caps, and preserved in the rings of trees. Each of these natural recorders provides scientists with information about temperature, precipitation, and more. Many of these have some type of layers, bands, or rings that represent a fixed amount of time, often a year or growing season. The layers vary in thickness, color, chemical composition, and more, which allows scientists to extrapolate information about the climate at the time each layer formed.

I'll never convince you so if you want to actually know the truth, do a bit of digging instead of listening to your "dinosaurs were here but died in the flood" preacher.

 

[kickarse]

I've done lots of "digging" into it

give ya an example of the bullshit
was 0c the other night, the = coldest Oct night on record, the next day it said .02c,
two days later it had been adjusted to 2 c.

was 11c on Saturday just gone, Sunday was colder, but 10 mile down the rd the temp was recorded at 29.6 c on the official temp records, was the second time they have added/bullshited the temp by HUGE amounts in that month (Oct)

so why would I believe what the "official" record says, when I know its bullshit

have worked or played outside all me life, I know what the weather is/has been doing
it isn't getting any warmer that's for sure, not for the last 10 years anyway

its called "global warming" we all should be warming up, not just the crazy leftists, and brainwashed little kiddies

You lot can believe whatever you want, it won't change the FACTS

 

[TychoMonolyth]

You're confusing weather and climate.

The earth has heated up just over 1 degree and you can tell the difference? You're good.

 

[kickarse]

lol here is ya 11000 so-called scientists, have a real good look

tell ya what, the climate is not a cherry picked 30 year period

how could they tell its warmed up by 1 c over 140 years?
where were all the weather stations, I'm betting there wasn't global coverage, they don't have it now.

don't confuse the heat sink effect of city's getting bigger, with the actual real climate/weather, its a little bit different when ya go outside in the real world


time will tell, you can enjoy your fake meat of the future, i'll still be killing me own beef and be eating like a king, or is it like a elitist lefty


its a CON job
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806

 

[St. Phatty]

I think there may be some abiotic oil among the oil sources, and most of it is fossil fuel.

That is often used to muddy the waters; the main thing about oil wells is production rates and new finds. Not the abiotic vs fossil debate.

I think they will find some oil underneath some of that melted ice.

Did the dinosaurs avoid Antarctica or might there be some dead dinosaur juice down there ?


I think the oil companies are planning on finding oil after "they melt the ice caps" (half kidding)

 

[igrowone]

a not so small IOI on arctic doings
there is still detectable melting on the greenland ice sheet
and so the nsidc statement awaits that moment when it stops
gonna be a hell of a statement imho

 

[armedoldhippy]

You're confusing weather and climate.

The earth has heated up just over 1 degree and you can tell the difference? You're good.

no, he's not. just stubborn, lol. if one does not WANT to learn, you cannot force them to, and it is a waste of time to try.

 

[trichrider]

Climategate: Ten Years Later
Kelvin Kemm | November 7, 2019

This month marks the tenth anniversary of “Climategate” – the release of thousands of emails to and from climate scientists who had been (and still are) collaborating and colluding to create a manmade climate crisis that exists in their minds and computer models, but not in the real world. The scandal should have ended climate catastrophism. Instead, it was studiously buried by politicians, scientists, activists and crony capitalists, who will rake in trillions of dollars from the exaggerations and fakery, while exempting themselves from the damage they are inflicting on everyday families.
Few people know the Inconvenient Facts about the supposed manmade climate and extreme weather “crisis.” For example, since 1998, average global temperatures have risen by a mere few hundredths of a degree. (For a time, they even declined slightly.) Yet all we hear is baseless rhetoric about manmade carbon dioxide causing global warming and climate changes that pose existential threats to humanity, wildlife and planet. Based on this, we are told we must stop using fossil fuels to power economic growth and better living standards. This is bad news for Africa and the world.
We keep hearing that rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels cause rising global temperatures. But satellite data show no such thing. In fact, computer model predictions for 2019 are almost a half degree Celsius (0.9 degrees F) above actual satellite measurements. Even worse, anytime a scientist raises questions about the alleged crisis, he or she is denounced as a “climate change denier.”
A major source of data supporting the human CO2- induced warming proposition came from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom.
Then on the morning of 17 November 2009 a Pandora’s box of embarrassing CRU information exploded onto the world scene. A computer hacker penetrated the university’s computer system and took 61 Megs of material that showed the CRU had been manipulating scientific information to make global warming appear to be the fault of mankind and industrial CO2. Among many other scandals, the shocking leaked emails showed then-CRU-director Prof. Phil Jones boasting of using statistical “tricks” to remove evidence of observed declines in global temperatures.
In another email, he advocated deleting data rather than providing it to scientists who did not share his view and might criticize his analyses. Non-alarmist scientists had to invoke British freedom of information laws to get the information. Jones was later suspended, and former British Chancellor Lord Lawson called for a Government enquiry into the embarrassing exposé.
The affair became known as “Climategate,” and a group of American University students even posted a YouTube song, “Hide the Decline,” mocking the CRU and climate modeler Dr. Michael Mann, whose use of the phrase “hide the decline” in temperatures had been found in the hacked emails.
So what is the truth? If one considers the composition of the atmosphere and equates it to the height of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, the extra plant-fertilizing CO2 added to the atmosphere since California became the 31st state of the United States in 1850 is less than the thickness of tiles under the Tower.
Can this tiny increase really explain any observed global warming since the Little Ice Age ended, and the modern industrial era began? Since California became a state, the measured global rise in atmospheric temperature has been less than 10C. But most of this increase occurred prior to 1940, and average planetary temperatures fell from around 1943 until about 1978, leading to a global cooling scare. Temperatures rose slightly until 1998, then mostly remained stable, even as carbon dioxide levels continued to rise. Rising CO2 levels and temperature variations do not correlate very well at all.
Moreover, during the well-documented Medieval Warm Period from about 950 to 1350, warmer global temperatures allowed Viking farmers to raise crops and tend cattle in Greenland. The equally well documented 500-year Little Ice Age starved and froze the Vikings out of Greenland, before reaching its coldest point, the Maunder Minimum, 1645-1715. That’s when England’s River Thames regularly froze over, Norwegian farmers demanded compensation for lands buried by advancing glaciers, and priests performed exorcism rituals to keep alpine glaciers away from villages. Paintings from the era show crowds of people ice skating and driving horse-drawn carriages on the Thames.
Industry and automobile emissions obviously played no role in either the MWP or the LIA.
These dramatic events should ring warning bells for any competent, honest scientist. If the Medieval Warm Period occurred without industrial CO2 driving it, why should industrial CO2 be causing any observed warming today? Europe’s great plague wiped out nearly a quarter of its population during the Little Ice Age. The warm period brought prosperity and record crops, while cold years brought misery, famine and death.
Ten years before Climategate, Dr. Mann released a computer-generated graph purporting to show global temperatures over the previous 1500 years. His graph mysteriously made the Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and Maunder extreme cold years disappear – and planetary temperatures spike suddenly the last couple decades of twentieth century. The graph had the shape of a hockey stick, was published worldwide and became a centerpiece for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Many scientists were highly suspicious of the hockey stick claims. Two of them, Steven McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, completely discredited Mann’s computer program and revisionist history. Of course, that did not stop former US vice president Al Gore from using the discredited graph in his doom and gloom climate change movie, An Inconvenient Truth.
The hacked CRU emails also showed exchanges between Mann and Jones, in which they discussed how to intimidate editors who wanted to publish scientific views contrary to theirs, to suppress any contradictory studies. In one email, Jones expressed his desire to get rid of the “troublesome editor” of the Climate Research journal for daring to publish differing views. The editor got sacked.
When University of Colorado climate skeptic Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. asked the CRU for its original temperature readings, he was told the data had been (conveniently) lost. Lost!?! Do professionals lose something as valuable as original data? Many suspected they just didn’t want anyone to expose their clever manipulations and fabrications.
But if industrial carbon dioxide did not cause recent global warming, what did? A Danish research group, led by Prof. Henrik Svensmark, has found a very credible match between levels of sunspot activity (giant magnetic storms) on our Sun and global temperatures over the last fifteen hundred years. This all-natural mechanism actually fits the evidence! How terribly inconvenient for alarmists.
Cosmic rays from deep space constantly impinge on the Earth’s upper atmosphere and produce clouds, much like high-flying jets leave white contrails behind their engines. More clouds can trap heat, but they also cause global cooling because not as much sunlight strikes the Earth. More sunspots mean a stronger magnetic shield, therefore fewer cosmic rays reaching Earth, thus less cloud cover and more global warming. The Sun is currently in a near-record period of low sunspot activity.
All sorts of interest groups are suppressing this information. Maybe worse, when Climategate broke, “climate justice” campaigner for Friends of the Earth Emma Brindal said bluntly: “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.” Not protecting Earth from manmade CO2 emissions or natural and manmade climate change – but redistributing wealth and resources, according to formulas that self-appointed ruling elites decide is “socially just.”
Climate campaigners also oppose “excessive” air travel for business or pleasure, 4×4 vehicles as “unnecessary luxuries,” and modern homes for Africans. Some even say Africans must continue living in mud huts and avoid the use of electricity and modern farming technologies. Minor US actor Ed Begley has said “Africans should have solar power where they need it most: on their huts.” They, Al Gore, Phil Jones and Mike Mann are exempted from these restrictions, of course.
Real social justice and human rights mean everyone has access to abundant, reliable, affordable energy, especially universally important electricity. Not from expensive, intermittent, weather-dependent wind turbines and solar panels. From fossil fuel, nuclear and hydroelectric power plants.
We in the developing world will no longer let climate truth be suppressed. We will not allow loud, radical activists to put the brakes on African economic development, jobs, and improved health and living standards, in the name of advancing their anti-human, wealth redistribution agendas.


https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/climategate-ten-years-later


AOC Pushes Population Control to Stop Climate Change: Kill More People to Save the Planet

National Chris White Nov 7, 2019 | 10:28AM Washington, DC

Several high-profile Democrats who back the so-called Green New Deal are now apparently supporting a new report calling for a dramatic reduction in the world’s population to stave off a climate crisis.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey retweeted links to a report signed by more than 11,000 scientists who argue that the population “must be stabilized—and, ideally, gradually reduced—within a framework that ensures social integrity.”
The report, published Tuesday in the journal BioScience, also calls for the wholesale dumping of fossil fuels and the emergence of green energy. They call for a “bold and drastic” change in economic growth to slash greenhouse gas emissions, which research shows contributes to climate change.
Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, backed the report on Twitter, telling her followers in a Nov. 5 tweet that “tweaks and shortcuts” won’t be enough to save the planet. The U.S. must engage in “[m]assive, systemic change is in alignment with scientific consensus,” she said.
The New York lawmaker retweeted a tweet from The Huffington Post that discusses the report’s details.

When it comes to the climate crisis, tweaks and shortcuts aren’t enough to preserve our planet.
Massive, systemic change is in alignment with scientific consensus.
We need #GreenNewDeal. https://t.co/mNSUmGeC3X
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 5, 2019
​

Markey made similar comments. “11,258 scientists are sounding the alarm: we are in a climate emergency. And not just climate scientists. Biologists, ecologists, & more,” the Massachusetts Democrat said in a Nov. 6 tweet.
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“The crisis touches every aspect of our lives. So must the solution. That’s why we need a #GreenNewDeal to fundamentally transform our society,” Markey added. He included in his tweet a link to a Washington Post report highlighting the nuts and bolts of the report.

11,258 scientists are sounding the alarm: we are in a climate emergency. And not just climate scientists. Biologists, ecologists, & more. The crisis touches every aspect of our lives. So must the solution. That’s why we need a #GreenNewDeal to fundamentally transform our society. https://t.co/FpvEXajZdK
— Ed Markey (@SenMarkey) November 6, 2019
​

Markey and Ocasio-Cortez introduced the GND in February, which calls for a “10-year national mobilizations” toward a series of goals designed to tackled global warming.
The GND calls for the country to become carbon neutral within 10 years and seeks to aggressively reduce emissions. Other Democrats are also supporting the general thrust of Tuesday’s report.
Billionaire Tom Steyer also expressed his support. “The world must wake up. We can’t sweep climate change under the rug any longer,” Steyer said in a Wednesday tweet that also linked to WaPo’s report.
World data consistently show that climate change is the least of most people’s concerns. Citizens generally are more concerned about getting a good education, obtaining better healthcare, and achieving political freedoms than they are tackling climate change, according to a 2015 survey from the United Nations.
Neither Ocasio-Cortez, nor Markey or Steyer responded to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.


https://www.lifenews.com/2019/11/07...e-change-kill-more-people-to-save-the-planet/



Who are these '11,000 Concerned Scientists'?
November 8, 2019
By Casey Plunkett
Academics and scientists are yet again issuing “consensus” statements on climate change. In 2017, we were warned by 16,000 scientists across 184 countries that “human beings and the natural world are on a collision course.” This past week, BioScience, an academic, peer-reviewed journal from Oxford University Press found 11,224 scientists, from 153 countries, who signed off on the latest climate change drivel. Citing a “moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat and to “tell it like it is’,” they’ve published the paper “World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency.” In dystopian tone, they’ve issued a demand for earth’s population to “be stabilized -- and, ideally, gradually reduced -- within a framework that ensures social integrity.”

With the disclaimer that I’m just a layman who resides in “flyover country”, who are these “11,000 Scientists,” and do they even have credibility to weigh in on this matter? Scientists, with few exceptions, are subject matter experts in specific fields -- their expertise isn’t inherently relevant and extensible across varying fields of science. For example, a physicist won’t teach a graduate-level course in Biology; a podiatrist won’t perform open heart surgery and a botanist has minimal insight on quantum computing. How many of these 11,000 scientists possess germane degrees in meteorology, climatology or atmospheric science? Lo and behold, BioScience actually published a list of these scientific signatories in the attached link -- so I looked.
In keyword searches across 324 pages of signing signatories, spanning 11,224 scientists, I found 240 (2%) individuals with professions that can be construed as bona fide meteorologists, climatologists, or atmospheric scientists. As a frame of reference, the Department of Labor reports there are 10,000 atmospheric scientists in the U.S. Conversely, this list contains plenty of “experts” who have zero credibility on the topic of climate change, coming from fields such as: infectious diseases, paleontology, ecology, zoology, epidemiology and nutrition, insect ecology, anthropology, computer science, OB-GYN and linguistics. Bluntly, and no offense intended, I could care less what a French professor or a zookeeper thinks about climate change -- let alone allow them to tell me how to live my life.
This begs the question, “Why did so few metrorologists, climatologists, and atmospheric scientists sign off on this latest paper?” Perhaps they know this is faux science? The climate is a complex dynamic that science don’t fully understand, let alone predict. Nonetheless, radical, Statist elements of society continue to advocate economy-destroying actions -- taking lemmings over the cliff with them.
At family gatherings in the upcoming holiday season, when annoying in-laws cite “scientific consensus” on man’s effects on climate change, expose their ignorance and the irrelevance of these doomsday papers with an analogy. Advise them to seek out the consensus opinion of a group of chemists, linguists, and data scientists if they believe they tore a rotator cuff or have concerns with an asymmetrical mole they’ve discovered.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/who_are_these_11000_concerned_scientists.html

 

[kickarse]

Did you "believers" check out the names and occupations of the 11000 flogs

not many scientists among them, just anyone that works at a university.
and we know how left they are lol

Co2 will not cause runaway warming its impossible



its a CON

 

[kickarse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMfYjKauHbs

 

[trichrider]

11,000 'scientists' warn about climate change? FAKE NEWS! | Ezra Levant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3ZPGLPiss


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[kickarse]

We have had our 25/30 years of warming, its going to be "global cooling" soon enough
if it hasn't arrived already

unless of-cause Co2 and the sun can disobey the laws of physics

can't wait to see how the leftist side of life explain the rapidly approaching cool weather,
who/what are they going to blame for it (humans no doubt)

 

[TychoMonolyth]

We have had our 25/30 years of warming, its going to be "global cooling" soon enough
if it hasn't arrived already

unless of-cause Co2 and the sun can disobey the laws of physics

can't wait to see how the leftist side of life explain the rapidly approaching cool weather,
who/what are they going to blame for it (humans no doubt)

Climate. Not weather.

Obviously, you guys either can't see the bigger picture, or realize how fucked you are and refuse to look down that road. But hey... no worries. We'll spoon force feed it to you.